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Re: Usenet and Re: extortion via digital cash
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:34 AM 10/20/96 -0400, Scott McGuire wrote: >"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >> At 11:01 PM -0400 10/15/96, Rabid Wombat wrote: >> >> >Also - in order to communicate back to the perpetrator, the victim needs >> >to communicate to the first step in the chain. The operator of that chain >> >> BlackNet-type pools eliminate the chain. There is no "first step in the >> chain," only a message pool or Usenet group which is propagated to tens of >> thousands of sites around the world (and even available via one's satellite >> dish and local cable, a la DirectPC, @Home, etc.). >> > >I've been thinking about the use of Usenet as a message pool and this seems to >be a good place to bring up my thoughts. As an already existing, widely >disseminated and easily used message pool, Usenet is very valuable to us. I'm >concerned that it may not last though. Many people now complain about how low >the signal to noise ratio is (even more than they complain about this list). >I've heard people say that they have given up on newsgroups in favor of mailing >list, web-zines, etc. So, if it gets too bad, might it just fade away? Or, if >it remains but becomes unpopular, will it be easy to restrict if we use it for >anonymous messages? What's needed is a method for an individual to read all of Usenet, and more, without anybody else knowing what each individual is reading. It's been mentioned before that on the back of those DSS boxes there's a connector which is supposed to eventually be able to provide computer data. Somebody mentioned that the data rate of Usenet is 100 megabytes per day. That works out to just about 9300 bits per second, continuous. That's probably only about 1/1000th of the data required to represent a NTSC video picture, and so it's about 1/100,000th of the data rate of the dish. I don't know the economics of this service in any detail, but if we assume 2 million such dishes generating about $1 of revenue per day, 1/100,000 of this revenue is about $20 per day. Obviously, the cost of this bandwidth is miniscule compared with the number of people who might want to use it. Sure, they're not just going to carry Usetnet, of course; they'd probably carry email and other services as well. However, many of the higher-bandwidth-consuming uses of the Internet will involve one-to-many broadcasting, which could be more easily provided by a dedicated satellite connection. Further, the company selling the dishes has a powerful motivation to make its product as useful as possible, since many people currently served by cable systems may have little reason to switch over absent a new feature. Given the low cost of this, there should always be enough bandwidth to implement some sort of blacknet-type system. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Radikal in English
by silenced＠meaning.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rough English translations of issues 153 and 154 of _Radikal_, a German newspaper from-and for-the radikal/autonomous left, are now available at: http://www.meaning.com/library/radikal/ The newspaper has been banned by the German government. I have no connection with the organization and had never heard of them prior to the German government's attempted blocking of xs4all.nl. -silenced (silenced(a)meaning.com)

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INFO:Congress continues to push hard in the pro-encryption fight! (10/20/96)
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| LETTER FROM 20 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON NEW CLIPPER PLAN LETTER TO THE NET FROM SENATOR CONRAD BURNS (R-MT) LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW TRACKING CRIMES INVOLVING ENCRYPTION http://www.crypto.com/ Date: October 21, 1996 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news(a)panix.com If you redistribute this, please do so in its entirety, with the banner intact. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents Introduction Letter from 20 members of Congress on new Clipper plan Letter to the net from Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT) Law enforcement now tracking crimes involving encryption How to receive crypto-news Press contacts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTION As we look back at the last legislative session, it is amazing the progress we've made. As we build supporters for the pro-encryption forces in Congress we move the ball farther down the field. If you called, wrote, testified, or even just stayed involved in the issue this year, realize that you've made a significant difference in the way this issue went. It's not the end, though. We get a break for a couple of weeks and then Congress will be back, and ready to take up this issue again. Pro-encryption activists are gearing up the "My Lock, My Key" campaign for next year's fight. You can help by ensuring that you have told us who your member of Congress is. You never know, you might get a call or an email from one of us to help convince your legislator about the benefits of privacy and encryption! Participate in the "My Lock, My Key" Adopt-Your-Legislator campaign at http://www.crypto.com ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- LETTER FROM 20 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON NEW CLIPPER PLAN Congress of the United States Washington, D.C. 20515 October 15,1996 The Honorable Michael Kantor Secretary Department of Commerce Washington, D.C. 20230 Dear Secretary: We write to express our serious concerns about the Administration's most recent policy announcement on export restrictions on encryption technology. First we agree with the October 4, 1996, New York Times editorial that characterized the Administration's plan as "needlessly restrictive and probably unworkable" and (though better than previous Administration proposal) "risks doing more harm than good." We recognize that this issue involves a careful balancing of commercial, consumer, law enforcement and national security considerations. However, the well-respected 1996 report by the National Research Council on this matter emphasized that U.S. law enforcement and national security would be enhanced -- not weakened -- by broader use of stronger U.S. encryption technologies both at home and abroad. Furthermore, the report stressed that efforts to control international trade in encryption technologies will only be effective if implemented on a comprehensive, multilateral basis. Unfortunately, the Administration's most recent encryption initiative shortchanges both U.S. business and law enforcement interests. The proposal is flawed for four reasons: it fails to recognize that top-down, government-imposed policies are doomed to defeat: export policies must be directly linked, or indexed, to advances in technology; export controls must be fully multilateral in order to be effective; and export control decisions will be further delayed by granting the FBI new veto authority over U.S. exports. We fear these defects will continue to leave U.S. companies at a disadvantage in the world market, leave users of U.S. encryption uncertain about the security of their information and leave U.S. law enforcement and national security agencies behind the cryptography-curve. Although we were not consulted in the formulation of this policy, we nevertheless hope that in the coming months you will work with us and industry, consumer and user groups to refine it further. In addition to conducting oversight hearing in the next Congress on the Administration's proposal, we also want to assure you that we will continue to pursue legislative solutions toward this end. Sincerely, [signed] Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) Sen. Larry Pressler (R-SD) Sen. Lauch Faircloth (R-NC) Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO) Sen. Alan Simpson(R-WY) Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK) Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY) Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) Rep. Sonny Bono (R-CA) Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- LETTER TO THE NET FROM SENATOR CONRAD BURNS (R-MT) [We were informed that this net was for the net community, not specifically for Jonah Seiger. We bring it to you. -Shabbir] >From Conrad_Burns(a)burns.senate.gov Fri Oct 18 17:35:35 1996 >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 17:49:32 EST >To: jseiger(a)cdt.org >Subject: To Interested Members of the Internet Community: I am writing to thank you for all your help and support of my effort this year to pass legislation to enhance privacy and security on the Internet. As you all know by now, the 104th Congress adjourned before it had a chance to act on S. 1726, the Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era Act of 1996. The bill, which was co-sponsored by Senators Leahy (D-VT), Pressler (R-SD), Lott (R-MS), Wyden (D-OR) and many other Senators from both parties, would have encouraged the widespread availability of strong, easy to use privacy and security tools for Internet Users. Although the Senate was not able to act on Pro-CODE this year, our efforts have laid the groundwork for real reform of US encryption policy in the 105th Congress. And despite significant opposition from the administration, Netizens had a significant impact on the Congressional debate on the encryption issue. I am honored to have helped to arrange the first ever Cybercasts of Congressional hearings, and I enjoyed the many online discussions I had with Netizens. Together, we have helped to show the Congress that the Internet user community can and should have a voice in debates over critical Internet policy issues. Finally, just days before adjournment, the Administration announced yet another encryption policy initiative. The proposal continues to insist on key escrow as a condition for lifting encryption export controls, and raises numerous questions about privacy and competitiveness. This debate is not over by any stretch of the imagination. I intend to move forward on pro-encryption legislation soon after the 105th Congress begins in January. You can find out more about this issue by visiting my web site (http://www.senate.gov/~burns) You can also visit the Encryption Policy Resource Page (http://www.crypto.com/) and the Internet Policy Coalition page (http://www.privacy.org/ipc/) Set up by experts to provide resources on the encryption policy debate, these sites also contain information on how you can get more involved. Thanks again for all your support. Next year, with your help, we can reach a commonsense solution to the critical policy crisis on encryption. Sincerely, U. S. Senator Conrad Burns ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW TRACKING CRIMES INVOLVING ENCRYPTION [This was forwarded to us by one of our many encryption supporters with a stronger legal background. The summary of it seems to be that someone has decided to start tracking at crimes that involve encryption. Expect these numbers to be used against us next year in the debate over crypto. -Shabbir] >From:XXXXXXXXXX Check out title V of HR 3723, just signed into law by Clinton. It expressly directs that a) all criminal presentence reports (the written story-line/history given to the judge on which the sentence is calculated) shall include info on whether crypto was used to obstruct justice/commit crime, and b) the Sentencing Comm'n (the folks who write the rules) start looking at this issue, almost surely with a view to eventually writing Guidelines that would bump up sentences of perps who made the mistake of using crypto. Other parts of the bill make various changes -- I can't tell how substantial -- to sec. 1030, the main do-not-hack/crack statute. I'm not worried about this right now, since what little I've seen looks fairly cosmetic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO RECEIVE CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo(a)panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, send a letter to majordomo(a)panix.com with "unsubscribe crypto-news" in the body. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir(a)vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger(a)cdt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End crypto-news =============================================================================

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CDT Policy Post 2.36 - Congress Promises Action on Encryption Next Year
by Bob Palacios 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 2, Number 36 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 2, Number 36 October 22, 1996 CONTENTS: (1) Crypto Wrap-Up (2) Senator Burns' Sends Open Letter to Net Community (3) Bi-Partisan Group of 20 Members of Congress Raise Questions about Administration's Latest Encryption Initiative (4) How to Subscribe/Unsubscribe (5) About CDT, contacting us ** This document may be redistributed freely with this banner intact ** Excerpts may be re-posted with permission of <editor(a)cdt.org> ** This document looks best when viewed in COURIER font ** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) END OF SESSION WRAP-UP OF CRYPTO POLICY REFORM EFFORTS In two letters released this week, Members of Congress have promised to renew their efforts to reform US encryption policy when Congress returns in January. An open letter to the Internet Community from Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT), along with a letter from 20 Republican and Democratic members of both the House and Senate sent to Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor on October 15, are attached below. The letters cap off an active year in which the Internet community made real progress towards reforming US encryption policy to promote privacy and security on the Internet. While the Administration continues to promote key escrow and export controls, a growing segment of Congress has recognized the importance of encryption policy reform to the viability of the Internet and the future of privacy in the information age. This growing bi-partisan support, along with an increasingly mobilized Net community, has resulted in several significant accomplishments: * Three bills designed to promote privacy and security on the Internet were introduced in the House and Senate: - The Burns/Leahy "Encrypted Communications Privacy Act" (S. 1587) - The Goodlatte/Eshoo "Security and Freedom through Encryption (SAFE) Act" (HR 3011), and - The Burns/Leahy/Pressler "Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era (Pro-CODE) Act" (S. 1726). The bills, which would have relaxed export controls on encryption technology and prevented the government from imposing "key-escrow" schemes domestically, enjoyed broad bi-partisan support. * Congress held four hearings on encryption reform legislation, and heard testimony from privacy advocates, cryptographers, computer industry leaders, and others. These hearings provided a critical opportunity for the Internet community to make its case on the need for encryption policy reform. * Through online forums and the first ever cybercasts of Congressional encryption hearings, the voice of the Internet user community is finally beginning to be heard in Congress, and is helping to educate the Congress about the importance of encryption. * The Adopt your Legislator Campaign (http://www.crypto.com/) is linking Netizens with members of Congress to create a dialogue about the encryption issue. * Nearly 9000 Netizens have signed the online petition (http://www.crypto.com/petition) in support of encryption policy reform. * Leaders from the computer and communications industry joined with members of Congress, public interest organizations from across the political specturm, and the Internet community in Stanford California on July 1 to raise awareness about the need for encryption policy reform. * Other developments include progress on three ongoing legal challenges to the encryption export controls, efforts by privacy advocates to impact the encryption debate in the international encryption policies through the OECD, and the long awaited National Research Council Report which criticized current US encryption policy as "failing to meet the needs of an information age society." Despite these accomplishments, supporters of encryption policy reform still have a long way to go. In late October, the Clinton Administration announced yet another encryption policy initiative relying on export controls and "key-recovery" systems. As the Administration continues to push its plans to satisfy law enforcement concerns, the Internet community must be ready to work hard to protect privacy and security on the Internet. Fortunately, as a result of our efforts this year, we have strong and supportive allies in Congress. When Congress returns in January, expect a renewed effort to enact serious encryption policy reform legislation. With your help, we can ensure that the Internet develops into a secure platform for free expression, commerce, and privacy. WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW: Congress and the Administration are now focused on the elections. Help raise the voice of the Internet community and educate our elected officials about the importance of privacy and security on the Internet. * ADOPT YOUR LEGISLATOR - Join an innovative online campaign designed to help Netizens create an ongoing dialogue with their elected officials on critical Internet policy issues like encryption policy reform http://www.crypto.com/adopt/adopt.cgi?genre=crypto * SIGN THE PETITION - Add your name to the online petition and join the fight for privacy and security on the Internet. Nearly 9000 Netizens have signed on so far. http://www.crypto.com/petition/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (2) AN OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY FROM SENATOR BURNS Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT), who along with Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) led the fight this year for the Pro-CODE bill, asked us to forward the following letter to the Internet community: X-POP3-Rcpt: jseiger@mailserver From: Conrad_Burns(a)burns.senate.gov Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 17:49:32 EST To: jseiger(a)cdt.org Subject: To Interested Members of the Internet Community: I am writing to thank you for all your help and support of my effort this year to pass legislation to enhance privacy and security on the Internet. As you all know by now, the 104th Congress adjourned before it had a chance to act on S. 1726, the Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era Act of 1996. The bill, which was co-sponsored by Senators Leahy (D-VT), Pressler (R-SD), Lott (R-MS), Wyden (D-OR) and many other Senators from both parties, would have encouraged the widespread availability of strong, easy to use privacy and security tools for Internet Users. Although the Senate was not able to act on Pro-CODE this year, our efforts have laid the groundwork for real reform of US encryption policy in the 105th Congress. And despite significant opposition from the administration, Netizens had a significant impact on the Congressional debate on the encryption issue. I am honored to have helped to arrange the first ever Cybercasts of Congressional hearings, and I enjoyed the many online discussions I had with Netizens. Together, we have helped to show the Congress that the Internet user community can and should have a voice in debates over critical Internet policy issues. Finally, just days before adjournment, the Administration announced yet another encryption policy initiative. The proposal continues to insist on key escrow as a condition for lifting encryption export controls, and raises numerous questions about privacy and competitiveness. This debate is not over by any stretch of the imagination. I intend to move forward on pro-encryption legislation soon after the 105th Congress begins in January. You can find out more about this issue by visiting my web site (http://www.senate.gov/~burns) You can also visit the Encryption Policy Resource Page (http://www.crypto.com/) and the Internet Policy Coalition page (http://www.privacy.org/ipc/) Set up by experts to provide resources on the encryption policy debate, these sites also contain information on how you can get more involved. Thanks again for all your support. Next year, with your help, we can reach a commonsense solution to the critical policy crisis on encryption. Sincerely, U. S. Senator Conrad Burns ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (3) BI-PARTISAN GROUP OF 20 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT ADMINISTRATION'S LATEST ENCRYPTION INITIATIVE Last week, a bi-partisan group of 20 members from both houses of Congress sent the attached letter to Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor expressing their concerns about the Administration's latest encryption policy initiative (see http://www.cdt.org/crypto for details). The members, many of whom were co-sponsors of the Burns/Leahy Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era "Pro-CODE" Act (S. 1726) or the Goodlatte/Eshoo Security and Freedom through Encryption "SAFE" Act (HR. 3011), called the latest administration effort "flawed" and pledged to continue to pursue legislation to reform US encryption policy. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Congress of the United States Washington, D.C. 20515 October 15, 1996 The Honorable Michael Kantor Secretary Department of Commerce Washington, D.C. 20230 Dear Secretary: We write to express our serious concerns about the Administration's most recent policy announcement on export restrictions on encryption technology. First we agree with the October 4, 1996, New York Times editorial that characterized the Administration's plan as "needlessly restrictive and probably unworkable" and (though better than previous Administration proposal) "risks doing more harm than good." We recognize that this issue involves a careful balancing of commercial, consumer, law enforcement and national security considerations. However, the well-respected 1996 report by the National Research Council on this matter emphasized that U.S. law enforcement and national security would be enhanced -- not weakened -- by broader use of stronger U.S. encryption technologies both at home and abroad. Furthermore, the report stressed that efforts to control international trade in encryption technologies will only be effective if implemented on a comprehensive, multilateral basis. Unfortunately, the Administration's most recent encryption initiative shortchanges both U.S. business and law enforcement interests. The proposal is flawed for four reasons: it fails to recognize that top-down, government-imposed policies are doomed to defeat: export policies must be directly linked, or indexed, to advances in technology; export controls must be fully multilateral in order to be effective; and export control decisions will be further delayed by granting the FBI new veto authority over U.S. exports. We fear these defects will continue to leave U.S. companies at a disadvantage in the world market, leave users of U.S. encryption uncertain about the security of their information and leave U.S. law enforcement and national security agencies behind the cryptography-curve. Although we were not consulted in the formulation of this policy, we nevertheless hope that in the coming months you will work with us and industry, consumer and user groups to refine it further. In addition to conducting oversight hearing in the next Congress on the Administration's proposal, we also want to assure you that we will continue to pursue legislative solutions toward this end. Sincerely, [signed] Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) Sen. Larry Pressler (R-SD) Sen. Lauch Faircloth (R-NC) Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO) Sen. Alan Simpson(R-WY) Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK) Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY) Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) Rep. Sonny Bono (R-CA) Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (4) SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION Be sure you are up to date on the latest public policy issues affecting civil liberties online and how they will affect you! 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Re: News: Europe Wants Stronger Encryption
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I don't understand why don't they just use PGP, or something like that. > There is no patent on it? IDEA is patented in Europe. It takes a lot of time to test out and "break in" new encryption algorithms. If you invent one, surely the first thing you would want to do is to patent it, right? Well, that is exactly what everyone's been doing so far. Few, if any, actually let their stuff go to the public domain. Kudos to Bruce S for Blowfish ... Ern

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[Fwd: Re: Reno at FCBA]
by kwit＠iap.net.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Erik E. Fair (Time Keeper) wrote: > all... > > Erik

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Re: Prof Shamir arrested
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Bell wrote: [many things on "fraud"] Excuse me if I don't react on this in detail. We have already explained it, and there it stands: fraud means playing a game without abiding by its rules. It's perfectly legitimate to establish a game and to introduse rules of the game with it. If you want to play the game, play by its rules, otherwise don't play it. If you play it while cheating, though, you must bear the consequences ("go directly to jail" ;-). Bert-Jaap --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law, Administration and facs +31 13 466 8149 Informatization, Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Prof Shamir arrested
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 PM 10/22/96 +0300, Jüri Kaljundi wrote: > Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Rabid Wombat wrote: > >> Or is this the Avi Shamir who broke FEAL-8? > >Can you tell more of this? There is an Windows disk encryption utility >called Teamware Crypto that uses FEAL-8. This program is quite popular in >Europe, distributed and made by ICL Data. The attacks on FEAL are pretty lengthy. _Applied Cryptography_ 2nd edition by Bruce Schneier has a list of attacks on page 311. The Shamir attack is not the one to worry about. Matsui and Yamagishi have an attack that breaks it in 2^15 known plaintexts. If you do not have a copy, I can dig up the references on it. (It is too late/early for me to do it clearly at this point...) Hope that helps. --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Dimitri goes to California - was Re: [SERDAR ARGIC] Ray Arachelian...
by peter.allan＠aeat.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:08:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> > So it IS intellectual dishonesty and cowardice. I thought so. > Is there anyone on the list who thinks Dimitri is a man? Not me. Pick another speaker, poll the pledgers for agreement and don't ask Dimitri again. And just when I let him out of my killfile in the hope I'd see him accept the challenge. -- Peter Allan peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk

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Pearls before swine
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Throwing beads before swine is not forbidden. Throwing pearls before swine is what you want to avoid. If you think of cypherpunks as swine and your knowledge as pearls of wisdom, perhaps you should stop throwing your pearls before us swine. James ---------- From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Sent: Monday, October 21, 1996 8:10 PM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: [SERDAR ARGIC] Ray Arachelian's role in massacare of 2,5 I think to talk about cryptography to the San Francisco Cypherpunks is to throw beads before the swine. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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