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Re: Federal Reserve Bank is ILLEGAL? [BOB DYLAN]
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Doug Renner wrote: > http://feustel.mixi.net/GOV/DEPTS/fedres.html > > Most list members would be very interested in the above link. Indeed. It's hilarious, especially the References section. Thanks! I think maybe you should take a look at the Noontide Press catalog. - -rich ObCopyrightViolation (not really on-topic, because Carto and Pierce were kicked out of the Birch Society, but it's funnier than, for example, <http://www.c2.net/~rich/nab9608-1.gif>): TALKIN' JOHN BIRCH PARANOID BLUES (Words and Music by Bob Dylan) 1970, 1973 Special Rider Music Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue, I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do, Them Communists they wus comin' around, They wus in the air, They wus on the ground. They wouldn't gimme no peace. . . So I run down most hurriedly And joined up with the John Birch Society, I got me a secret membership card And started off a-walkin' down the road. Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now! Look out you Commies! Now we all agree with Hitlers' views, Although he killed six million Jews. It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist, At least you can't say he was a Communist! That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria. Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds. I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed, Looked in the sink, behind the door, Looked in the glove compartment of my car. Couldn't find 'em . . . I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere, I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair. I looked way up my chimney hole, I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl. They got away . . . Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat, Figured they wus in my T.V. set. Peeked behind the picture frame, Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain. Them Reds caused it! I know they did . . . them hard-core ones. Well, I quit my job so I could work alone, Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes. Followed some clues from my detective bag And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag! That ol' Betty Ross . . . Well, I investigated all the books in the library, Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away. I investigated all the people that I knowed, Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go. The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me. Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy, Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy. To my knowledge there's just one man That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell. I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus. Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight When I run outa things to investigate. Couldn't imagine doin' anything else, So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself! Hope I don't find out anything . . . hmm, great God! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMofAP5NcNyVVy0jxAQEWUwH/VBpVAQeLio6vvqk4+Wku+y2zSETIqat8 KQso3BxkgV8mC3wiD7oC4YdJTnGIFnh5Zutt6po0wF/URkpda7zBcA== =r6Fl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Exon Countdown Clock and farewell messages
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:59 AM 11/8/96 -0800, Michael Page wrote and Rich Graves forwarded: ... >We would attempt to send it via a Email, but the respected Senator does not >have Email. (The Irony). ... There is no irony here, Mr. Exon tried to control the internet for the very reason that he didn't understand it and one of his granddaughters did. Perhaps if he did understand the internet then he wouldn't be a threat. Remember, people fear that which they don't understand.

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Re: Why is cryptoanarchy irreversible?
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:34 PM 11/10/1996, Adam Back wrote: >Peter Hendrickson <ph(a)netcom.com> writes: >>At 3:30 AM 11/9/1996, Adam Back wrote: >>>Peter Hendrickson <ph(a)netcom.com> writes: >>>> Where will you keep your secret key? Remember, when they go through >>>> your house they bring 20 young graduates from MIT who are just dying >>>> to show how clever they are and save the world at the same time. >>> Keep your secret key in your head. >> I think this is hard to do in practice. I have tried. > You could probably keep a hashing function around plausibly, then you > could do as usual and remember the passphrase and use the hash > function to construct the actual key. 9 words selected from a pool of 25,000 has an entropy of about 131 bits. I could probably remember that. > If your stego techniques are any good, the feds will never get beyond > that point. They will then be left with the option of doing random > `spot-checks'. Having been on the cypherpunks list probably would > increase your chances of having your system checked. Yes, if things go sour, I doubt many cypherpunks will be practicing cryptoanarchists. >>> Your real challenge is keeping your stego programs safe. Boot >>> strapping a stegoed encrypted file system while leaving no stego code >>> lying around isn't that easy. >> Excellent point, especially since you don't have an encrypted virtual >> disk. Can anybody resolve this? >>> rc4 in C: >>> >>> #define S,t=s[i],s[i]=s[j],s[j]=t /* rc4 key <file */ >>> unsigned char s[256],i,j,t;main(c,v)char**v;{++v;while >>> (s[++i]=i);while(j+=s[i]+(*v)[i%strlen(*v)]S,++i);for( >>> j=0;c=~getchar();putchar(~c^s[t+=s[i]]))j+=s[++i]S;} >> (Under 3.3) I would have a hard time memorizing these programs. This >> pretty much guarantees that the number of cryptoanarchists will be small. > That program is optimised for size rather than ease of memorizing. > RC4 is an elegantly simple algorithm, and I sumbit that you could > remember it. Barring that you could just leave around a few > cypherpunks archives, or sci.crypt archives or whatever, and cut and > paste it form one of my posts :-) I am willing to accept that I can remember it. > Because RC4 is a stream cipher, you shouldn't reuse the key. However > you shouldn't need to for this application. You just use it to boot- > strap the real code. You are beginning to convince me. >> (I am deeply envious of your legal right to post this code, however. >> Now, why was it that we broke away from the Mother Country?) >> I would like to see a longer exposition of your approach. Given >> a hostile environment, how would I operate a small anonymous perl >> coding service using your techniques? > Once you've bootstrapped to your cryptoanarchists toolkit, you can > have anything you want, even a virtual TCP/IP layer, a hidden level of > TCP/IP in stego data. TCP/IP itself is a likely candidate for a stego > carrier. Non-predictable sequence nos are required to stop things > like the spoofing attack, and so are perfectly plausible. > Once we get to everyone having enough bandwidth, lots of people with > permanent connections, lots of people using video conference software, > audio, downloading feature length films, etc. there's no stopping > crypto anarchy. The LSbits in that lot would make a fairly responsive > subliminal channel by todays standards. I am finding this all very persuasive, although I am still suspicious of stegonagraphy. It would be cool to have an exact specification and working machine. This might even be easy enough to operate that non-technical people could learn how to do it, which implies that there could be large numbers of practicing cryptoanarchists. What we need is an experiment. Let's pick a country with a near police state and design a system so that people in that country can freely and securely communicate with each other and the outside world with minimal chance of arrest. Once the system is available, we can see if it succeeds in the field. I'll leave others to suggest the target. >> Don't forget to tell me how I get paid and when I get to spend my >> "ill-gotten" gains and how nobody will notice that I am doing it. > You get paid in ecash, paid on the BlackNet bank. You take a holiday > to a tax-haven and get paid off by a getting "lucky" at a BlackNet > affiliated casino. The casino takes a their "currency exchange fee", > and you get US$. Translations into paper currencies, I'll admit are > the weak link if you need paper currencies. > However there are two ways to get anonymous electronic cash, either > you start with anonymous electronic cash, or you add the anonymity > afterwards via `privacy brokers', once there are a few dozen systems, > and trillions flowing around using these systems, it's going to be > hard to keep track of it all. I still think the eventual payoff is a weak point, but it does make me think that in order to stop cryptoanarchy, foreign travel and foreign communication would have to be tightly controlled. If steganographic evidence is the only evidence that can be collected (and RC4 is strong) then it would be necessary to give the authorities great flexibility. Which means that it is beginning to look more and more like a bona fide police state as Tim suggested. While payment is a weak point, there are many cryptoanarchic activities that don't involve payment, such as participating in mailing lists, which people may like to do even when their governments disapprove. Anyway, you have certainly given me a lot to think about. I still have some doubts about safety from tempest attacks and the like, but my basic claim that you can stop cryptoanarchy without full deployment of a police state is looking weak to me right now. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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"Messer im Kopf"
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Messer im Kopf" is a German film made in 1978 which I highly recommend. Roughly translated its title is "Knife in the Head". It has relevance to many of the issues we have been discussing. In the late 1970s Germany was in a limited state of turmoil due to fears of "terrorist" (1) groups, particularly the Baader-Meinhoff gang. Around this time a curious incident occurred. The German government had had some success in apprehending some gang leaders. In response, the others hijacked a Lufthansa jet and demanded that the government release their friends. Four of the leaders of the gang then died in prison. The government declared these deaths to be suicides, but considerable doubt surrounds this claim. The government certainly wanted to discourage further hijacking experiments. The elimination of the gang leaders would certainly have sent a strong message. The logic is compelling. On the other hand, it is not inconceivable that the deaths were suicides intended to discredit the government. The Baader-Meinhoff gang popped up again in the late 1980s when they were suspected of having murdered the banker Alfred Herrhausen. (At that time their name had changed, but I do not remember what it was.) Their size was estimated to be about 20 active members with perhaps 3000 financial supporters. (2) Many other European trouble-making groups of the 1970s were successfully penetrated and virtually eliminated. The Baader-Meinhoff gang stands out as one which apparently solved this problem. (It is interesting that infiltration is the usual means of dealing with troublesome organizations.) The motivations of the group are unclear to me. It is widely assumed in the media that they were (or are) communists, but I have seen it suggested repeatedly that they were in fact sympathetic to the far right. (I haven't researched this. I do not know how open this question is.) "Terrorist" groups are interesting in that they generally do not have a known membership or location. Certainly, this is germane to many Cypherpunk discussions. In the late 1970s the German government considerably extended its surveillance and monitoring activities and was generally in a state of alarm regarding terrorists. Great effort was made to identify everybody. I can't say how much success they had in their stated goals, but I would love to know as it relates to some of the ideas we have been discussing. I assume the "security" infrastructure is still in place, which does not bode well for future German history. The film is set in the late 1970s and addresses many of the issues faced by Germans at that time. The main character is a scientist who is having marital troubles. His life becomes more complicated when he gets caught up in a scuffle the police are having with "suspected terrorists". He is shot - not knifed - in the head. After a long rehabilitation, he has no memory of what occurred. Every other person in the film attempts to use his ignorance for their own political or personal ends. More specifics would lessen your appreciation of the movie. More generally, you will see a portrayal of a society which is disentegrating. I found the police particularly alarming. It is not clear whether our own society is not on the same path. Some will find this heightens their interest. The grimness of institutionalized behavior comes through very strongly. Nearly every character in the film is employed directly or indirectly by the government. The film itself was funded by the German government. Yet, it is surprisingly skeptical of the government's role. It should be noted that there are no real terrorists in the film. The police and the "suspected terrorists" are playing a game of "cops and robbers" with the police holding the live ammunition. Don't think both sides don't both enjoy it! This is perhaps the most worthwhile aspect of the film. While everybody else is playing games, the main character is maimed, but the game goes on regardless. Many of has have had long discussions involving the implications of various technologies and how to effect the our kind of political change in the world. It is helpful to remember that real people are involved. The readers of this list are by no means the people who would benefit most from this lesson. "To win without fighting is best." -- Sun Tzu(?) That said, the film also gives a feeling for what it might be like to operate in a hostile domestic environment. The film is hard to get in the United States. Last I heard, you could rent it from a company in Chicago. If there is sufficient interest, it might be a good film for Cypherpunk Movie Night. An invited speaker who understands the film better than I do would be a possibility. Footnotes: (1) These groups committed acts which are typically described as "terrorist". It is unclear what the term means. When similar actions are committed by established groups, the term "terrorism" is not applied. The term originated at the time of the French revolution when some philosopher kings seized control of the government and executed a number of VIPs. The Economist published this excellent article: http://www.economist.com/issue/02-03-96/sf1.html (2) The IRA is said to have about 200 active members, which is an indication of just how much trouble a small group of people can make if they set their minds to it. Disclaimer: Some of the facts above may be slightly wrong as I am relying on memory. The gist of the text should be correct. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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Re: His and Her Anarchies
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: > "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: > >Well, I think there clearly _is_ a gender gap on these sorts of issues. > Technologies that matter make daily life less obnoxious, and you can leverage > them all the time. The Net is going to start mattering in a significant way when > it relieves people of the burden of dealing with the garbage inherent in the > information flow of everyday life. The net is going to matter when I can rely on > it to store the information I now keep on disk, and the computer is a completely > transparent object. All the documents that are important to me are maintained by > the Net with sufficient reliability that I can unplug my computer and smash it > with a hammer without affecting anything. > Under this scenario, strong, reliable crypto becomes similar to electricity. The > entire infomration infrastructure is built on it, but hardly anyone gives it a > second thought. > What kind of people use the Net and what are their activities doing to the > country, the world, the culture? It may sound like a parochial issue that women > don't much like computers, but they don't, and the issue is a tremendously > important one. They're not attracted to this world, certainly not to the extent > that men are, and that's one of the reasons why it is such a spiritually > impoverished world. Most reasonable sophisticated men are happier in an > environment that included women. One of the problems with the computer society > is that not only is it an almost all-male society, but it's part of a little-boy > society, part of an ongoing infantilization of the society over the past half > century. Most heterosexual men claim to like women, but the claim is dubious on the part of a large percentage of men, since they really like to mostly do "boy things", i.e., follow sports, ride motorcycles, listen to "boy music", etc., rather than hang out with women as just friends. I think if people were really honest, they'd admit that, by and large, men like men and women like women. Simple enough, eh?

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unsubcribe
by Edouard Janssens 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsubcribe -------------------------------------------- Edouard Janssens ej(a)netit.be Net it be s.a. www.netit.be Rue Tenbosch, 94 B-1050 Brussels tel. +32 2 343 93 35 Belgium fax. +32 2 343 04 05 "There will be an answer, ... Net it be !" --------------------------------------------

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RE: Returned mail: User Unknown
by Juriaan Massenza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I love bots... >---------- >From: Open Net Postmaster[SMTP:postmaster@opennet.net.au] >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 7:13 AM >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com; >cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com >Subject: Returned mail: User Unknown > > >The address you mailed to is no longer valid. >This is probably because the user in question was an >old Open Net subscriber. Open Net is NO LONGER an ISP, >and has not been since May 1996. > >We have no redirection address for that user. Please >remove them from any mailing lists you might have. > >This response was generated automatically. > >

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Re: pgp3
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Someone suggested to me that Derek posted a draft spec for PGP 3.0. > Anyone know of the whereabouts of this document. Yes. That document has evolved to RFC 1991: 1991 I D. Atkins, W. Stallings, P. Zimmermann, "PGP Message Exchange Formats", 08/16/1996. (Pages=21) (Format=.txt)

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RE: Returned mail: User Unknown
by Juriaan Massenza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Looking at the To: line looks to me like a smart ass more that a genuine "unknown user" reply... >---------- >From: Open Net Postmaster[SMTP:postmaster@opennet.net.au] >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:11 AM >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com; >cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com >Subject: Returned mail: User Unknown > > >The address you mailed to is no longer valid. >This is probably because the user in question was an >old Open Net subscriber. Open Net is NO LONGER an ISP, >and has not been since May 1996. > >We have no redirection address for that user. Please >remove them from any mailing lists you might have. > >This response was generated automatically. > >

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Georgia Internet Law
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-Sender: rcostner(a)intergate.net >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:07:00 -0500 >Reply-To: Electronic Frontiers Ga Action Mailing List <ACTION(a)efga.org> >From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh(a)efga.org> >Subject: Georgia Internet Law > >Here's some info on the HB1630 issue... > >>Return-Path: <jfaber(a)A.crl.com> >>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:32:13 -0800 >>From: Joe Faber <jfaber(a)A.crl.com> >>Reply-To: joefaber(a)dwt.com >>Organization: Davis Wright Tremaine >>I have published an article on your case against the law in my firm's >>First Amendment Law Letter, if you would like to link to it. The >>article can be found at >>http://www.dwt.com/News/firstamendnews/regulation.html. >> >>Joe Faber FYI--Internet law issues Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

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