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Re: ANNOUNCEMNT: February 1997 keysigning session
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199702072349.PAA20677(a)peregrine.eng.sun.com>, on 02/07/97 at 05:49 PM, Ed.Falk(a)Eng.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) said: >We have enough people who want to have a PGP keysigning session at tommorrow's >meeting to make it worthwhile. We'll probably be doing it at 17:00 or >thereabouts. Unfortunatly I have too much work to make the 3,000 miles to get there. :( Would it be possiable at the next meeting to set up a CU-SEE-ME session for those of us who do not live in the Bay Area? Thanks, - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 0000000 iQCVAwUBMvv9D49Co1n+aLhhAQE1lgP/Sh0Mszii6dvSkssMI3rTHllz+EbFrtKk k3qOPFkBSRbsaSXBTopenUjNpbbHANgzzUJRnekaUJIyZbTGRY9PF+QAFcsF/vXI 2HIjnStiyXdgESPE0YFPRiTzrkR5/18Ga2s20AlWXgaQApSSmIAhwrFWjmi1kQws y0n+CZwqa0U= =A+nO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Sandy suppresses truth about his moderation policy
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Below are some interesting facts implying that: > > 1) Sandy uses a bot to reject articles of people he does not like I see no evidence to substantiate this claim. People who would be most likely to get auto-blocked have managed to get at least one post sent to the moderated list. > 2) When I exposed him with an article showing all Received: dates, > he > a) rejected the article exposing him The only thing your previous post proved is that toad.com has a very little delay between receiving and sending mail to cypherpunks-unedited. Notice that the post in question does not have an altered Message-Id and the sender is set to owner-cypherpunks, not owner-cypherpunks-unedited which appears in all messages sent to the flames list. > and > b) changed his moderation software so that Received: headers > for the cypherpunks-flames do not show the times when > messages came in The modification was made after there was the problem of the received headers exposing the supposedly secret outgoing destination address of the moderated list. This change was certainly made before February 6, the date the post in question was posted. Also, John would have made this modification; not Sandy. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvwF/CzIPc7jvyFpAQE0lwf8Dx8bY2WUKDZQ4piOc0XRgY0LpbCOcbXZ FGMOlR9o1Hk9Z3DlCtNReM1YF9WoeHkc4Z6wDtDu0XJunB5Rj4Hwa1qZmvY2a2S/ IkkBDp+RyA1QpTsEU1fQjNJR0LQBoIa/fVKyAzKJSD66tCHHneIvc4IrXAciobE1 9WX+h6r5wBjXkVEI9mgehrprqBRIRaNgURunyCavbXPbiEoS7bflBfKBLurj7OQf uAERvyX6YYv7ZaycV9Qjx33ozrSrMzARbahx+ryWrO5MUuoZ9fabyeS61xr141Cv QCPRyxq1Pl2TcJF2otpxpCuzoty4VzEONDib+O+BkNDPo9sGx8a/8w== =J1Sw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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** THE 30 SECOND COMMUTE **
by action＠answerme.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello,^Morons, Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:15:29 -0600 Message-Id: <05152934600809(a)sitegen.net> WELCOME TO THE 30 SECOND COMMUTE...45, IF YOU GRAB SOME COFFEE! Let's take a trip back to 1950 and imagine that my name is Ray Crock and I want to tell you about a little restaurant named McDonald's. If you had bought the stock that I was selling then, you'd certainly be doing the 30 second commute now!! Seriously, had you bought that stock then, it would've been the right decision. Fact is, it's 1997, I don't own McDonald's corporation and I'm not selling anything. What I want to know is: 1. Would you spend 3 or 4 minutes a day to make $300 or $400 a week to spend on yourself and family? 2. Would you trade $100 for $600 ? 3. If you got promoted to president of the company, would you accept? 4. Would you make the right decision now, if you had to? 5. Would you e-mail me to see how you can do the 30 second commute? mailto: action(a)answerme.com Matt Emerson Toll Free: 1 800-976-8608 Fax: 602 641-3514 InterNet Address: http://www.rb-dist.com

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Congressional cell phone security hearing
by Dan Veeneman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hyperbole flew hot and heavy during a February 5 hearing on cellular telephone privacy chaired by Louisiana Republican Billy Tauzin. The House Commerce Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade, and Consumer Protection held a hearing titled "Is anybody listening? You betcha." Subcommittee members were shocked, just shocked to learn that, according to a hyper-animated Thomas Wheeler (president of the Cellular Telephone Industry Association), Americans are engaged in "electronic stalking" of cellular telephone users. Further details of CSPAN pandering and Ed Markey's (D-MA) Humpty Dumpty imitation ("words mean whatever I want them to mean") elided. Some notable moments: Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL), during a discussion about encryption, called PGP "a darn good program." Jay Kitchen, head of the Personal Communications Industry Association, related an (apocryphal?) story about MI5 requiring 2 Crays to run for 3 days to break a single GSM. Jim Kallstrom, Assistant Director FBI and head of the New York field office, woodenly delivered his (IMHO unfocused) testimony and reported that on the first day of the TWA Flight 800 crash investigation he determined that the news media knew more than they should, so he confiscated the cell phones of the FBI agents and locked them away, under the (reasonable) presumption that reporters were listening to FBI cell phone calls. Jimmy also reiterated the FBI line that their new wiretap requirements were reasonable and necessary to protect American citizens from terrorists. Dan dan(a)decode.com -- cypherp(a)decode.com (Dan Veeneman) Cryptography, Security, Privacy BBS +1 410 730 6734 Data/FAX

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Successfully Routing Around Censorship In Italy
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In Cu Digest, #9.07 -- see Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest/ * is a nice article on how an Italian mailing list was blocked by the University bureaucracy. LISA (Lista Italiana Sull'Accesso a Internet) is "an unmoderated area devoted to discussion about social, cultural and economic aspects related to the development of the Internet in Italy." Two days later they were up and running on a machine in Utah. > Choosing censorship instead of an open debate is > something we will never be willing to silently accept. > Laura Caponi > Owner of LISA > Lista Italiana Sull'Accesso a Internet * This issue isn't on the web page quite yet.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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$$ THE 30 SECOND COMMUTE $$
by action＠answerme.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello,^Morons, Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 06:54:22 -0600 Message-Id: <12542268500622(a)sitegen.net> WELCOME TO THE 30 SECOND COMMUTE...45, IF YOU GRAB SOME COFFEE! Let's take a trip back to 1950 and imagine that my name is Ray Crock and I want to tell you about a little restaurant named McDonald's. If you had bought the stock that I was selling then, you'd certainly be doing the 30 second commute now!! Seriously, had you bought that stock then, it would've been the right decision. Fact is, it's 1997, I don't own McDonald's corporation and I'm not selling anything. What I want to know is: 1. Would you spend 3 or 4 minutes a day to make $300 or $400 a week to spend on yourself and family? 2. Would you trade $100 for $600 ? 3. If you got promoted to president of the company, would you accept? 4. Would you make the right decision now, if you had to? 5. Would you e-mail me to see how you can do the 30 second commute? mailto: action(a)answerme.com Matt Emerson Toll Free: 1 800-976-8608 Fax: 602 641-3514 InterNet Address: http://www.rb-dist.com

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:42 1997-02-07 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >Raph's remailer list is at > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html >and indicates lots of different remailer features, >including whether they accept or require PGP, >and what reliability they've been getting recently. Thanks, and it worked too... > >The remailer that was shut down was the remailer named "lead"; >you may have noticed that your reply went to a machine named "zinc"..... > >At 11:56 PM 2/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts >>pgp messages. >> >>BTW which remailer was shut down and why? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com ># You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp ># (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.) > >

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Re: Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 08:41 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Anil Das wrote: > However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy > cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? You shouldn't. Maybe someone should print up a batch of "Voyeur Enabled" stickers for all the GAKed products (or should that be KRAP products, since it is the Key Recovery Alliance, but that is redundant) we will be seeing at our local software stores. Sometimes I think the reason for all this snake oil we have been seeing is the Feds need it for extra lubricant so they don't chafe themselves while getting off on reading our mail. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvyv1+QCP3v30CeZAQEGigf+PA45Q2ySEZ6iLwc8+fRURvXJRinStWwy oNGWKDnyYHFJ91L8Z+11oKvMov45CC4MOISy36/Oz2CY9qyq8l5L1wTU7J8CezsS 3QezDreJtUXr/OCmxRngOQbeHuGDkXuIocfTV7sZU/j7ARWj9hKCd39xf6J/MmZ6 zjKS7olJmzMMyJrAWaNo5zaW4g/ER8wJiI0zbakvrd/8Y+VJkiTN05znbIfLiOTV 0Olt/OaX4seWWNwZb5FaPv2y8ST3j+xm4Uv6fdc4Qo8QGWnGpuBAKo0D+q39KNkY Ps47vKyf2VwQM6Ci49/uuU8um/l9TmDsuHkYYmsoDfsGpcZImEWzZw== =Prg6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!" | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: Waiting for Mac version [was Re: Full strength Email Clients]
by Joe Chou 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Meanwhile, a beta version of "Pretty Safe Mail" ><http://www.highware.com/highware/PSM/safemail.htm> is available from >Highware in Belgium. It's PGP compatible, and its user interface is a >great leap forward from any Mac PGP front end I've seen. But, it still has >some deficiencies, it's very slow (25 seconds to sign this message on a 25 >MHz 68040 vs. 4 seconds for ViaCrypt PGP 2.7.1), and (as was recently >discussed on a couple of these lists) its source code hasn't been published >or externally audited. I've been testing Pretty Safe Mail on 68k and PPC platforms, and I completely agree with you for the 68040 slowness. But on a Powermac 7600 (604/120Mhz), it took less than 3 seconds to sign the same document. Highware claims that a faster 68k is in the works. They've offereed to have PSM externally audited, but I haven't heard of any volunteers. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2, by Pretty Safe Mail 1.0 iQCVAwUBMvzAT7WqygGLsQD9AQF+RwP+IbLejl0wMKQzPJmHbIOann+KUB0zsXps 36bjfsyjIYZwkcbhjqCh2lFpljlmeMMVtPX90bPLRb0J+Bgbmcv7h24BN2Q5sInr AFFk4ST07uLZ8ICJzwtkHYgNwgMmdba2QeDQ0SZCH8FYMQiLpkf45TTIIger8MXt Rkkv3V23nts= =MgGH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | Joe Chou <jchou(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> | http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/joe.html | Bargmann Lab, UCSF Department of Biochemistry | PGP KeyID 0x8BB100FD: at web page or public key servers | PGP Fingerprint [4194 EBC6 EEB0 7B1A F18F 2185 D406 EDFF]

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MODERATION
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, I'm ending my participation in the moderation of the list. It would have been an interesting experiment if list members had been open minded enough to give it a good faith effort. Instead, those who weren't even willing to give another approach a try, set out to sabotage it and destroy any possibility of a meaningful test of the concept. I see no reason to prolong the agony. I've asked John to take me out of the loop as soon as possible. If he can't get that done right away, I'll continue to moderate in some capacity so that list members aren't cut off. However, I'm going to take a break today to help a friend move into her apartment. There won't be any messages forwarded for the next 24 hours or so. Hopefully, John will have things switched over by that then. If not, I shove whatever is in the queue on down the line. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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