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RE: Zooko on JYA, cpunks, and surveillance (was: Re: Can't tell the kooks without a scorecard? Re: Monkey Wrenching the Echelon Engine)
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Zane Lewkowicz writes: >As far as i can tell, only people who >threaten feds with physical danger are getting busted. >Threatening feds with the possibility of a future society in >which their roles are obviated apparently doesn't work. This matches what I've seen. Mr. Bell made the big mistake of directly attacking the IRS (the mercaptan [sp?] attack). I've had some dealings with local government people on real estate issues (who have generally been reasonably helpful), and the set of people who like practical jokes has a (nearly?) null intersection with the set of people who go into government service. Especially when you do something to send people to the doctor because of chemical-induced vomiting... If Tim May gets picked up, I expect it to be a result of a Chinese Cultural Revolution-type action (all intellectuals, all programmers, all engineers, etc.). As long as Tim isn't entrapped, he is probably pretty safe from being picked up. However, there's going to be a lot of changes in the near future (e$, Y2K, Internet fall-out, biochemoelectronics, etc.), so I advise that everyone batten down the hatches -- we're in for a stormy ride into a [likely] glorious future. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: radio net (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 00:51:49 -0700 > From: "William J. Hartwell" <billh(a)ibag.com> > Subject: Re: radio net > I think a radio network linked to the Amateur networks sending secure > packets, > using tunneling or maybe just encrypted traffic (There may be some FCC > rules regarding this. The FCC prohibits the transmission of encrypted data via analog or digital signals by amateurs. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:03:25 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd) > There already are several, the problem is the cannot be centralized > the way oil is. That's not really the problem... > Alcohol is acceptable (and in some ways better) than gasoline for > cars and motorcycles, but anyone can set up a still and compete with RDS & > Standard. The problem with alcohol is that there isn't enough free land in order grow enough plant material to provide the necessary quantities without seriously restricting the amount of land available for actual foodstuffs and living space (unless you want everyone to move to Black Rock desert or live on the top of a mountain). Alcohol is also much more of a fire hazard than gas. It burns hotter, isn't put out by water spray easily, and burns invisibly (well all right in the near-UV). > A mix of solar Again not enough land to make it feasible, not to mention the low efficiency of even the best panels. > wind Not enough places in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) where the wind blows with sufficient force 18 hours a day to make it economical. > coal Coal isn't an acceptable substitute, mainly because there isn't enough low-sulphur deposits in the world to supply the US, let alone the rest of the world. Plus it isn't renewable. > hydroelectric Not enough rivers with sufficient hydrodynamic head to make this work for the US let alone the rest of the planet. > nuclear I'll buck the general consensus because I like nuclear energy, however there is a single MAJOR caveat, we need fussion and not fission reactors to make it economical. The waste problem with fission reactors is enough to vote in the negative on them. > and other sources cop-out. The reality is that the clathrate deposits occur across the entire ocean. The existing Magnesium Nodule treaties could be extended to cover the countries that don't have coastlines. They are the first renewable, occurring in sufficient quantity, and with realizable and economicly feasible methods for mining, processing, and distributing to have been put on the table. As to the gas and oil folk being against them, they're about the only ones with an existing infrastructure (ie extracting oil and gas from the sea floor) to take advantage of the source, implying that existing changes in the infrastructure would be minor. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Mr Gordon, When I checked the digital signature on the Internet death threat using the PGP software and JOHNSON'S secret key ring, the computer identified the signature as one of the signature keys stored in JOHNSON'S computer. Because both the "private" and "public" portions of the "key" were stored on JOHNSON'S computer, the message can be authenticated as having been generated by the person who possessed this "secret key" and knew the correct password. In other words, only the person possessing the secret key found on JOHNSON'S computer could have generated the "death threat" message. Why would you claim only one person possessed the secret key? As you doubtlessly know, some of the TruthMonger secret keys have been posted to Cypherpunks anonymously. This is not authentication. Thank you.

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Toto `PLP' a key?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Then there is this `key', which appears to be fabricated, though the armor checksum checks if you modify it as follows.... -----BEGIN PLP PRIVATE KEY----- Version: Pretty Lousy Privacy v6.66 Comments: No Comment UPghm21YcptuKTiUHPwTn4xSjMKfsfVDRKwKWtx1teuauHiM/IBzWMH5+nhxhVjO gOuUIXkcJXcjr1yG2QVGWLJndKBHC3wI/eRC5zYaQGwtz97hpQ9iAJl9hpIYoeKi R/Qe8eC8vQnyOCx7Gare+OuoqLRJj5IvvS3BDShb1mr3s3U1LVEhmI9kS5br6NWY V1J3l2hCk8cdqDRZmgjUoq32mAwK/vTbijCg5Yk1CCkXO3mvia3rNeVdrYJ3/Pv9 t2jHIlAL0qAyJQMdz2qFcmvLOxB3ZiZhA+VYDaeXZ5TZNEz/K+TSU8brMInfaUKi P/R/4YerdYjN8/10xz/j/gJjgIkEddToUYjt2VQDv8E/xcXT0YJZhNWIT/u+MHVF ns9RWIH5J+UxcKPUPjDB7WvuO4+WvoT5xCtPbQhUlpuJrDfWLCjUd6orzovr6yZx HcxBSl8EGy4oULWi5ztrw1fyXm4AmpDB5QNgmWcILIbWNDOAePqxvrAjJEhLHQar y6eHYoL/nuOQonZsB66DhXnlXSghBGp+sNs3XXIOkKHtbPk1jqT9MHg9oe7OwiA4 mcQUpM3XKOPUXcMwEtRzDJnIaeZo3xbwRnmdSaGAyPujFJdz58QLHOte2pcSAkrA Jtrs+SrhZw== =zXsO -----END PLP PRIVATE KEY----- (Posted in message Subject: Re: EFF $10,000,0000 Challenge, Date: 6 Sep 97). Now, change the ----- lines to the correct, and the first 5 chars are the same on PGP public key blocks 'mQENAz' (though this claims to be a SECRET KEY BLOCK) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: Pretty Lousy Privacy v6.66 Comments: No Comment mQENAz1YcptuKTiUHPwTn4xSjMKfsfVDRKwKWtx1teuauHiM/IBzWMH5+nhxhVjO gOuUIXkcJXcjr1yG2QVGWLJndKBHC3wI/eRC5zYaQGwtz97hpQ9iAJl9hpIYoeKi R/Qe8eC8vQnyOCx7Gare+OuoqLRJj5IvvS3BDShb1mr3s3U1LVEhmI9kS5br6NWY V1J3l2hCk8cdqDRZmgjUoq32mAwK/vTbijCg5Yk1CCkXO3mvia3rNeVdrYJ3/Pv9 t2jHIlAL0qAyJQMdz2qFcmvLOxB3ZiZhA+VYDaeXZ5TZNEz/K+TSU8brMInfaUKi P/R/4YerdYjN8/10xz/j/gJjgIkEddToUYjt2VQDv8E/xcXT0YJZhNWIT/u+MHVF ns9RWIH5J+UxcKPUPjDB7WvuO4+WvoT5xCtPbQhUlpuJrDfWLCjUd6orzovr6yZx HcxBSl8EGy4oULWi5ztrw1fyXm4AmpDB5QNgmWcILIbWNDOAePqxvrAjJEhLHQar y6eHYoL/nuOQonZsB66DhXnlXSghBGp+sNs3XXIOkKHtbPk1jqT9MHg9oe7OwiA4 mcQUpM3XKOPUXcMwEtRzDJnIaeZo3xbwRnmdSaGAyPujFJdz58QLHOte2pcSAkrA Jtrs+SrhZw== =zXsO -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- and the armor checksum checks, and pgp5 reports (the garbled): Adding keys: Key ring: 'p1.asc' Type Bits KeyID Created Expires Algorithm Use pub 37916 00000000 2002-08-13 2079-10-29 (null) uid *** This key is unnamed *** 1 matching key found which looks to be garbage; perhaps it is is just garbage with a valid public key checksum? This seems like it would require writing some software to acheive? The probability of a random checksum success on a garbled file, as the armor checksum is a 24 bit checksum is 1/2^24... quite unlikely. Ideas? Adam

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Archives and such - I can host these...
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If the folks that run or ran archives need a mirror site to host their mirrors, I can happily provide space for them on sundernet. I've plenty of space on the drive, and if not I can get more spindles for it... If you have already written perl scripts to archive incoming mail I'd put those up too... -- =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ==========================

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Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:58:16 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism > >Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got > >there? > > Point is, the "Arabs" didn't start it, the UN/European leaders (US, > UK, FR, and RU) did. Actualy the tension between followers of Allah and Yahwe split long before us poor westerners were doing much more than getting naked, painting oursleves blue, and stabing each other with bronze and iron rods. While it is true the modern political scene has exacerbated the situation, it is untrue that it was the causation. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: radio net (fwd)
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Brian W. Buchanan" <brian(a)smarter.than.nu> writes: >I'd love to see them try to enforce that. What about chaffing and >winnowing? Stego? Transmission of random noise? ;) Anyone have the text >of the actual rules concerning this? I found what you're looking for. I failed in my search at the FCC and ARRL web-sites, except for offers to purchase the applicable regulations in hardcopy. C.F.R. 47, Part 97 covers the Amateur Radio Service. The full set of regs is available at: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/simons/al/radio/part97.html The specific regulation you're looking for is at: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/simons/al/radio/part97_b.html#97.113 S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: ... (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this Section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages in ^^^^^^^^^^^ codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thereof, except as otherwise provided herein; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification; ... The exception clause probably makes reference to an allowed "code", that being morse code.

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[Fwd: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd)]
by Soren 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry Jim, slip of the wrist. Hydroelectric turbines generate electric power. Feed this into the power grid; well, maybe until the end of next year. Maybe after 2000 we'll see the un-nationalization of the national power grid. Bay of Fundy is >50 (?) square miles and tidal range is 25feet, one of the largest in the world. There have been discussions in the past to do likewise to the Bering strait also. Sorry about that whales. To: sorens(a)workmail.com (Soren) Subject: Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd) From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:01:39 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <35F7FF53.E57503AE(a)workmail.com> from "Soren" at Sep 10, 98 12:33:23 pm Hi Soren, Let's keep it on the list please... > What about tidal hydro? Bay of Fundy would be appropriate. Figure the volume of the Bay from low tide and the highest tide. Then figure the time needed to fill. From this you can calculate the maximum amount of energy available. If you live near the Bay I suppose it would work, won't help the folks 50 miles away though... The goal is to find a renewable, generaly available source of energy so that geographic proximity is irrelevant. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Spot The Fed
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Traceroute doesn't use DNS? Whatever. And it's ICMP, Internet Control Management Protocol. The original traceroute works by sending User Datagram Protocol (UDP) datagrams (default 3) to an invalid port address of a remote host, starting with a Time-To-Live (TTL) of 1 causing the first router in the path to return an ICMP Time Exceeded Message (TEM), traceroute increments the TTL by one (up the max hop count, default 30) and resends, reaching the next router, until an ICMP Destination Unreachable Message is returned indicating the unreachable port on the destination host. The IP addresses of the hops are determined by the return packet headers, there is no hostname. Reverse DNS lookup is used to give you the host names, which can be turned on or off in the traceroute options (it's much faster if you turn it off). Traceroute was a diagnostic kludge. RFC 1393 describes and ICMP-based traceroute function, whereby traceroute sends an ICMP trace message (see the RFC for details) but there is still no hostname on the return packet, DNS is still used. Certain ICMP messages are often disabled and/or certain ports blocked or "shaped" by routers under thresholds to prevent common Denial-of-Service (DoS) attacks. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond D. Mereniuk [mailto:Raymond@fbn.bc.ca] > Traceroute doesn't use DNS, it doesn't need to as it already has the > IP numbers. DNS is a system which provides IP numbers when you > give it a domain name. Reverse DNS provides a host name to an IP > address but Traceroute doesn't use it. > > Traceroute works at the router level. Traceroute is like Ping but > provides information on every hop including IP number and > assigned device name. With Traceroute if a host name is not > received, when requested of course, it is because the equipment > was not assigned a host name or it is deliberately suppressed. I > don't use Traceroute a lot but this is the first time I have > seen host names suppressed. > > A lot of routers have ICM suppressed and will not provide a device > name. If an end user site wants to provide better security they will > turn off ICM packets. At that point Traceroute doesn't work at all.

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