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Aware's radiation detector
by s1113645＠tesla.cc.uottawa.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This month's Scientific American has an ad by Aware for that serial port radiation detector we were discussing a while back. Upper right corner of page 109, I think. Sells for $149 US, 45 day money back guaranty.

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e$: Moof! (Hettinga Speaks at Apple)
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

God help us all. I've been invited to the CyberDog Coding Retreat next week at Apple Computer in Cupertino. Getting flown out there is cool. Hanging with the more clueful Mac Internet types and getting to kibbitz and watch (I like to watch!) them code OpenDoc parts for the internet from 8AM to midnight plus, subsisting on Dew and Pizza is really way cool. Even getting some mac.cypherpunks in the door to code cypto parts is extremely cool. But... They've asked me to give a "talk". All by myself. In an auditorium. With an audience, I mean. With publicity. I feel like Hoffman in Rain Man... V-E-R-N, Verrrn... More to the point, I feel like I'm tempting fate, here... Sooo. I've been told I can have friends in the audience. That's cool. As many friends as I want. That's even cooler. I can even have reinforcements up on the rostrum. That's extremely cool. So, while I work on the "reinforcements up on the rostrum" part, *please* come and help me explain this stuff to the rest of the Apple community. I've appended the actual poster copy, with the relevant details, below. The poster, and its copyright-violating picture of Grommit the Dog are also found on the web at: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/talk.html Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------------- Geodesic Software and Financial Cryptography for Dogs Robert Hettinga 12 PM, Dec 6th 1995, Town Hall, R&D4 Robert Hettinga (really, nobody you ever heard of), will talk about the internet as a geodesic network and information surfactant, about OpenDoc as geodesic software and code surfactant, about really frightening stuff like strong cryptography on public networks and the four horsemen of the infoclypse, about digital cash and bearer certificates, and finally, about why teaching CyberDog how to do financial cryptography is so important. See this 350lb guy jump up and down and blather on for at least an hour about anonymous transactions, about the disappearance of the capital markets as as we know them, the rise and fall of the pyramid as communication metaphor, and how to raise Bucky Fuller from the dead. Learn why you should teach your code to surfact any application "suite" into little bitty pieces, to send you cash in the mail no matter where you are, and to make the whole status quo (everywhere!) disappear in a cloud of self-organized chaos. Cryptoanarchy. Right here in Cupertino, folks. See you there... ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://www.webstuff.apple.com/~vinnie/Rah >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Re: Elliptic curves, patent status?
by dan＠milliways.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:16:10 -0800 jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >At 05:16 PM 11/28/95 -0400, Michael Smith wrote: >> >> I'm unclear about the patent status of elliptic curve >> systems. Are they covered by the Diffie-Hellman patent? >> That is, is the lnguage of this patent broad enough to >> cover _all_ public-key systems, regardless of their >> mathematical basis? > >No, but RSA will litigate you with the objective of >inflicting extravagant legal costs regardless.

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Re: Elliptic curves, patent status?
by dan＠milliways.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:16:10 -0800 jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >At 05:16 PM 11/28/95 -0400, Michael Smith wrote: >> >> I'm unclear about the patent status of elliptic curve >> systems. Are they covered by the Diffie-Hellman patent? >> That is, is the lnguage of this patent broad enough to >> cover _all_ public-key systems, regardless of their >> mathematical basis? > >No, but RSA will litigate you with the objective of >inflicting extravagant legal costs regardless. Does the patent create any headaches for elliptic curve research or publishing elliptic curve papers, or just for new products? Dan

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(fwd) Like FV with Crypto ... 'Cept Different ...
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text To: www-buyinfo <www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com> From: Andrew Barrett/CheckFree Corporation <Andrew_Barrett(a)checkfree.com> Date: 28 Nov 95 9:32:28 EDT Subject: Like FV with Crypto ... 'Cept Different ... Mime-Version: 1.0 SAN RAFAEL, Calif., Nov. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- SBT's Internet Division today announced that its electronic storefront package, WebTrader 2.0, will integrate with Checkfree's credit card processing service providing a complete, secure Internet commerce solution. The combination of SBT's WebTrader and Checkfree's Electronic Payment Processing service allows any company to sell products on the Internet, automate order entry and fulfillment and receive credit card payments electronically. <SNIP SRC="blah, blah,blah">PR balloon deflated</snip> The Internet commerce solution process will be initiated by a merchant contacting an SBT Internet Business Consultant (IBC) who will install and configure Web Trader and provide the client with the Checkfree Merchant Application package. The IBC will arrange for a Checkfree account manager to be assigned to the account who will assist with the application process. The IBC will then customize and modify the Web Trader application, and tailor Checkfree's processing to the merchant's specific needs. Once the application has been processed and approved, the IBC will coordinate site testing for credit card transactions. At that point the merchant is equipped to conduct business on the Internet. WebTrader is the most widely-installed Windows program that allows businesses to create an electronic storefront with order forms for products or services on the Web. It automatically processes the orders and sends the customer confirmation via e-mail. WebTrader initiates and completes the sales process by providing a direct, instantaneous connection between vendor and customer, RSA Data Security's encryption software which keeps credit card numbers and other sensitive data private once it is received by the vendor's Web server. WebTrader includes several HTML templates for home pages and sales order forms that are ready to run on the Web. When a customer on the Web completes a form, the information is sent to the vendor via Internet e-mail. The vendor employs an integrated e-mail parsing program that automatically transforms the message into a standard SBT Sales Orders' bid. After the bid is authorized, it is converted to a firm order and an e-mail message confirming receipt of the order is sent via Internet to the customer. WebTrader also includes the ability to capture and track other critical business information such as sales leads, product registration and customer surveys. WebTrader can be used as a stand-alone Internet application or in conjunction with SBT's Pro Series 3.0i accounting software. WebTrader has a suggested retail price of $1,295. ->Finger abarrett(a)ee.net for Keyprint ->Public Key Coming Soon to a Keyserver Near You! --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 958-3971 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://www.webstuff.apple.com/~vinnie/Rah >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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Re: Archives?
by s1113645＠tesla.cc.uottawa.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Anonymous wrote: > Is this list archived so that I can try to look stuff up before asking > stupid questions? <http://www.hks.net/cpunks/index.html> You can run lycos searches on its contents.

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Re: Elliptic curves, patent status?
by smithmi＠dev.prodigy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm unclear about the patent status of elliptic curve systems. Are they covered by the Diffie-Hellman patent? That is, is the lnguage of this patent broad enough to cover _all_ public-key systems, regardless of their mathematical basis? --Michael Smith smithmi(a)dev.prodigy.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is this list archived so that I can try to look stuff up before asking stupid questions?

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Re: CDA Yes Votes; Collection
by Michael Peponis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 8 Feb 96 at 22:10, Tim Cook wrote: Basically here is the problem. Like it or not, most people in the world are utter morons that behave more like stupid helpless heard animals than higher life forms. > Besides, what makes the US Congress think they have any control over > a worldwide network? Because, the are dumb as shit. It's simple really, back to the origional point, most people are about as bight as a rock, they don't care about anything other than stuffing there pathetic faces, waching the idoit box, and passing on their bad genetic structure and pathetic world view. That is all they have, it's not that they have anything to contribute to the world. They are pathetic, since they have no life, and know that their world view hasn't got a prayer in a free market place of ideas, they choose to maintain it by force. [snip] > Support THE US Constitution... > Vote Alexander in '96 and '00! Vote? we are dealing with a nation of braindeads here. Do whatever the hell you want and fuck the law. Does anybody honestly believe I actually care what the law says I should and should not do, like I actually care what other people think? I do what I want, and if somebody(s) else gets in my face, they will get hurt, if not perished. Tim May made the point, there are hundreds of nations consisting of braindead persons. All of them trying to preserve their outdated way of life, I have zero respect for them. They want to protect there religion, or national idetity, or morals, or whatever, and they know that the majority of thinking people will choose there way of life if they could pick form all of the alternatives. I do not vote, I live in AmeriKa, but do not consider myself and AmeriKian, I just happened to be born among them, and stuck living with them, not like anyother place is any better or worse, although their are degrees, they are all ran by and for brain deads. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMRsj0kUffSIjnthhAQHyQwQAgBlOPBx3nTMDZFswLUbRwcvk63q6VqAc K7Nm7NqIBUKcCng/mcblhtljkSDsUckYYB9UBJnygATeIgWux2TZwyaXYUmlQ+ux c0kwpNaSyxbGHjfretxMthnsmz4w6eV9P2+9IbWMXbgwFhNxz0+2YPJaECX6b8cR 3ftdttHXQWo= =5BLE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Michael Peponis PGP Key Avalible form MIT Key Server,or via finger

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Re: Directed Hamiltonian Path Problem
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:48 PM 11/28/95, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >From: IN%"perry(a)piermont.com" 28-NOV-1995 02:02:17.85 > >Indeed. Its the problem with innumeracy. People don't understand that >if, say, a problem is O(2^N), and a problem of size 1000 requires a >liter of fluid, a problem of size 2000 requires >--------------------------- > Now that I've looked at it a bit more, I would definitely agree... >exponential growth is quite a function. Incidentally, talking about it in >liters of fluid is probably not the best way to look at it, any more than The reason we speak in terms of physical volumes of "Adleman computers" is to make concrete the way things scale. If the amount of Adleman computers needed to factor, say, a 2000-digit modulus (or some reasonably equivalent Hamiltonian cycle problem, such as the TSP) is "ten Pacific oceans full of them running for 100 years," then one has a pretty clear feel for just how futile it is to ask about "But what about if we apply MASSIVE PARALLELISM?!?!" (There's a certain well-known person who frequently raises the issue of "massive parallelism" on sci.crypt, each time revealing that he just doesn't understand that 1024 or even a million processors will not "solve" the problem for brute force attacks. Some people think there is something _magical_ about "massive parallelism.") >computer chips can be best defined in square centimeters. But that doesn't >change the essential conclusion; it just alters how big of a problem you >need to use. The lesson here, I believe, is to use as large of a key/etcetera >as possible... something that should be news to none, even to novices like me. >Never assume that something will require too much computing power, until the >computing power needed is not doable in the universe. Then add some, since >(for some problems) someone might figure out a clever way around them. I >worry that factoring may be one of these. I don't worry much about factoring breakthroughs. And I don't mean minor improvements, which keep occurring: I mean major breakthroughs which would make factoring a 2000-decimal-digit number "easy." Practically speaking, snarfing private keys is a helluva lot easier, for many reasons. --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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