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Trust
by James Morris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm just wondering if anyone else finds it particularly odd that while Australia is prepared to commit SAS troops, medical and intelligence personnel to a possible strike against Iraq, the US government still doesn't seem to trust us enough to use US developed cryptography products with adequate security. - James. -- James Morris <jmorris(a)intercode.com.au>

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Re: Crypto Exports, Europe, and Conspiracy Theories
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:12 AM 1/25/96, Michael Froomkin wrote: >On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >[...] >> >> Specifically, I believe--though obviously cannot prove, given the nature of >> time--that a cryptographically strong version of Netscape developed outside >> the borders of the U.S. would not be freely importable into the U.S. I > >Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Donuts to dollars that it's freely importable. First of all let me say that I take no offense at Michael's "Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope." opening. This is the kind of interesting debate we need to have! But let me address a specific question first: >> don't know what form such a law would take, to answer the point raised in >> another post by Peter Junger. Nor am I saying either State or NSA passes >> the laws...the ITARs have worked largely because they have never been >> challenged; if they were to be successfully challenged and stricken, as >> even some folks inside the NSA think is likely if tested in a proper case, >> then a Four Horseman-scared Congress will likely step in with some >> restrictions. >[...] > >OK, Tim, what am I missing? How will Enhanced-crypto-Netscape match >remailers for their ability to keep TLAs up at night? Once one has good encrypted links, including access to a variety of offshore sites, remailers cannot be stopped. The TLAs may not like them, and the courts may rule that a remailer site is strictly liable for misdeeds which impinge on its remailers (I'm not convinced this is so, but no matter), but what do U.S. courts have to say about Dutch remailer sites? What will the Fifth Circuit be able to do to hactic.nl? Or chains of remailers that pass through Norway, Japan, Estonia, Italy, and Lower Slobovia? We've already got that with PGP, of course, so it's to some extent moot. All of the mentions recently about strong crypto built into Netscape, Mosaic, AOL, etc., have to do with the _popularity_ and _ease of use_ issues, not the existence proof. That is, having strong crypto built in to Netscape will not give us a capability we don't already have, just give it to more people and more conveniently. Back to the issue of remailers and anonymous servers as choke points. I agree. These are the real threats to traffic analysis, which is of course why I have so emphasized them in my own writings for so many years!! I take it as a given that no remailer services will operate for profit, publically, and with support built in to Netscape, at least not openly and identifiably within the U.S....it is too controversial. (I don't mean that most of the remailers are not U.S., now, I mean after the heat gets turned up, after the next "Oklahoma City bomber" is found to have been communicating with remailers! An awful lot of remailer sites will vanish overnight. In act, evidence that remailers are being used may be manufactured.) Fortunately, and I keep coming back to this, the beauty of PGP is that the encryption is in the text blocks within mailers, browsers, etc., and little or no hooks to external programs are needed. (We often moan about this, and wish for PGP 3.0 or 4.0 to have all kinds of hooks, but there is a certain elegance about a text-block-centric program, with hooks made later on an ad hoc basis....it is so terribly difficult to control what's in a text block that suppression of PGP is very hard.) --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Microsoft's CryptoAPI - thoughts?
by rickt＠psisa.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What does everyone think about this? Perhaps I already missed the boat, but I just found out about it. How would international apps work? Would a data file encrypted with an app compiled with a US-only CSP (cryptographic service provider) be able to be loaded by a European equivalent app? [Info can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/intdev/inttech/cryptapi.htm] -- rickt(a)psa.pencom.com egalitarian, philosopher, unix cowboy, '68 chevy pickup hacker

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Re: Sabotaging Australian Involvement in Bill's War
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:45:38 -0800 > To: James Morris <jmorris(a)intercode.com.au>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Sabotaging Australian Involvement in Bill's War > > At 5:01 PM -0800 2/12/98, James Morris wrote: > >I'm just wondering if anyone else finds it particularly odd that while > >Australia is prepared to commit SAS troops, medical and intelligence > >personnel to a possible strike against Iraq, the US government still > >doesn't seem to trust us enough to use US developed cryptography > >products with adequate security. > > It's not at all odd. > > In the New World Order, you Aussies are children. As children, your role is > to die in wars like Viet Nam and the Gulf, under orders from the New World > Reichsfuhrer. > > And like the American children sent to die in wars at age 18, but too young > to either vote or drink alchohol, children cannot be allowed to possess > dangerous crypto tools which might let them deviate from parental wishes. > > (Seriously... The Aussies are obligated by treaty for the crypto/spying stuff. We Americans spy on all your domestic traffic by treaty. You can also request specifically targeted AU-domestic information from our personnel manning in AU the spy equipment, and we hand it to them. That's what the UKUSA (pronounced you-koo-za) agreement is all about: none of your people have broken any domestic spy laws. The British provide that service for us in Fort Meade, VA, we provide that service to the British in Menwith Hill... The EU recently declared the NSA was performing massive EU-domestic spying: that's how we have access. (It also confirms the entire massive US-domestic NSA spying claim of the Cryptography Manifesto) There has been a stunning lack of outrage to the EU statement: I'd have thought USA-based privacy groups and reporters would jump all over it. # "Moynihan Says U.S. Killed His Anti-Spy Measure" # By Irvin Molotsky, The New York Times, September 11, 1985 # # Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan charged that the CIA and State Department # had killed a measure he had introduced aimed at protecting American # citizens from having their telephone conversations intercepted by foreign # agents in this country. # # The Senator's bill would have made telephone call interception by foreign # agents illegal and would have provided for their expulsion. # # The Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence opposed the measure # as unnecessary and could lead to disclosing "sensitive intelligence # sources." British wiretappers at the helm of the NSA's domestic spy-fest. You are "secondary" parties to the treaty...low on the totem pole. See the Cryptography Manifesto at: http://www.erols.com/paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm (scroll down once there). Here is the Australian section... You'll have to purchase the "Project L.U.C.I.D." book for more details [that I snipped] from the Australian "National Surveillance" report. Snipped: some Australian politicians chased around trying to find out what the NSA was doing, then reversing themselves ("nothing's happening.."). I have to admit, it wasn't until I read this Australian report that I realized most of NASA's space shots were military. ---guy ****************************************************************************** Australian ECHELON Spotted ---------- ------- ------- * http://www.texemarrs.com, Living Truth Ministries 800/234-9673 Texe Marrs and his organization are big on the "Anti-Christ" aspects of all the technology the UKUSA governments have deployed to monitor people. I am just glad he knows the Beast when he sees it, that it is Evil (without the people involved necessarily being evil in intent: agreed!) and that unless we do something soon, it will be too late: Earth will become Hell. His book-jacket bio: Texe Marrs was a career U.S. Air Force officer (retired). He commanded communications-electronics and engineering units around the globe. * "Project L.U.C.I.D.", by Texe Marrs, 1996, ISBN 1-884302-02-5 * * Appendix 2: World Surveillance Headquarters * * The report that follows, originally entitled "National Surveillance", was * written by Australia's Peter Sawer and published in Inside News (P.O. Box * 311, Maleny, Queensland 4552, Australia). It first came to my attention * when it was printed in the U.S. by LtCol Archibald E. Robert's Bulletin, * the newsletter of the highly respected Committee to Restore the Constitu- * tion (P.O. Box 986, Fort Collins, Colorado 80522). * * The article caused a flurry of activity and a round of vigorous denials, * admissions, coverups, and more denials by Australian political leaders. * * The article contends that (1) America's National Security Agency (NSA) * is the world surveillance headquarters, and (2) Australia has it's own * secret "computer center", linked with the NSA via satellite, which * illegally watches over Australia's citizenry. Article snippets... capitalization by the original authors... * On a fateful fall day in America, on November 4th, 1952, a new United * States government agency quietly was brought into existence through * presidential decree. * * The birth of the National Security Agency on that day so long ago * heralded the beginning of the world's most sophisticated and all * encompassing surveillance system, and the beginnings of the greatest * threat to individual liberty and freedom not only in Australia, but * the entire planet will ever see. * * The NSA grew out of the post war "Signals Intelligence" section of the * U.S. War Department. It is unique amongst government organizations in * America, and indeed most other countries, in that there are NO specified * or defined limits to its powers. * * The NSA can (and does) do just about whatever it wants, whenever, and * wherever it wants. Although little known in both the U.S. and elsewhere, * the NSA is quite literally the most powerful organization in the world. * * Not limited by any law, and answerable only to the U.S. National Security * Council through COMSEC, the NSA now controls an information and * surveillance network around the globe that even Orwell, in his novel * "1984", could not have imagined. * * Most people believe that the current "computer age" grew out of either * the space program or the nuclear weapons race; it did not. * * ALL significant advances in computer technology over the last thirty * years, from the very beginnings of IBM, through to the super computers * of today, have been for the NSA. In fact, the world's very first super * computer, the awe-inspiring CRAY, was built to specification for the * NSA, and installed in their headquarters in 1976. * * The entire twentieth century of development of computer technology has * been the result of the NSA's unquenchable thirst for ever bigger, ever * faster machines on which to collect, collate, and cross-reference data * on hundreds of millions of honest, law-abiding, and totally unsuspecting * individuals. And not only in America, but in many other countries as * well. Including, as we shall see, Australia. [ "The Rise of the Computer State", David Burnham, 1984 p134: ...the technical advances that were occurring did so not entirely by chance. The computers' ability to acquire, organize, store and retrieve huge amounts of data was an essential factor leading to the broad definition of intelligence that was fostered by the National Security Agency and its godfather, the National Security Council. Computer research was supported by NSA in a major way by secret research dollars. Thomas C. Reed, Director of the Pentagon's Telecommunications, Command and Control System, referring to domestic intercity telephone microwave radio trunks, said in 1975, "Modern computer techniques make it possible to sort through that traffic and find target conversations easily." p126-127: Since the wiretap law barred the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs from installing a tap on New York City's Grand Central Station pay phones, bureau head John Ingersoll asked the NSA for help. Within a few months the spy agency was sorting through all the conversations it was already acquiring for general intelligence purposes. Of course, the technicians were required to acquire, monitor, and discard a large number of calls made by people with no connection with the cocaine business in South American cities. But so pleased was Mr. Ingersoll with the tips he was getting from the dragnet monitoring that he ultimately persuaded the NSA to monitor simultaneously nineteen other U.S. communication hubs. ] * "Project L.U.C.I.D.", continued... * * Fort Meade is the hub of an information gathering octopus whose tentacles * reach out to the four corners of the earth. * * The principal means of communicating this information is by the National * Aeronautical and Space Administration (NASA) satellite communications * system, which most people erroneously think exists primarily for the * space program. * * It does not. * * The satellites, indeed NASA and the entire American Space Program, exist * largely to supply the NSA with its telecommunications system. That is why * the bulk of its operations are officially declared 'secret'. This * ultimate 'Big Brother' machine even has an official name 'Project * Platform'. [ "The Puzzle Palace": all these computer systems are linked together under Project Platform. The first Cray went to the NSA. p138 ] * Although the NSA was officially formed in 1952, it grew out of an * International Agreement signed in 1947. Officially termed the "UKUSA * PACT," this was an agreement between Britain, the U.S.A., Canada, New * Zealand, Australia and the NATO countries. * * The UKUSA PACT was, quite simply and bluntly, an agreement between these * countries to collect and collate information on their respective citizens * and to share this information with each other and pass on to Fort Meade. * * On March 9th 1977, the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Bill Hayden, asked * "questions on notice" on the subject. On April 19, Prime Minister Malcom * Fraser, declined to answer the questions, "in the interests of national * security." * * The first clue of the Australian Headquarters of PROJECT PLATFORM appeared * in 1975. Then, as today, government undertakings involving expenditure * over a certain amount must be presented to a Senate body, the Joint * Parliamentary Accounts Committee (JPAC). In 1975 JPAC was asked to * examine and approve finance for the construction of a new building in * Deakin, a leafy suburb of Canberra. * * This quite massive building was to be constructed behind an existing, much * smaller one, which, until then, had been known to the public only as the * "Deakin Telephone Exchange." * * That it was not, and never had been, simply a "telephone exchange" finally * came to light in the 1975 JPAC Approval Report, when it admitted that the * existing building had a comprehensive basement which housed NASA's micro- * wave communications headquarters in Australia. Part of the justification * of the "need" for the new, much larger building, was that by 1980, it was * expected that NASA would run out of room in their existing home. * * Apart from NASA, it is now admitted that Deakin houses the National * Computer Headquarters for, amongst others, the Australian Defense * Department, the Australian Taxation Office, the Department of Social * Security, the Commonwealth Department of Education, and the Department * of Transport and Communications. * * Both Tax and Social Security are, in turn, directly linked to Medicare. * In fact, the Department of Health used Social Security's computer * facilities there until their own were completed. * * A small, but highly significant, part of the building is, in fact, * occupied by Telecom. This is the part that contains the networking * junctions for the optical-fiber lines leased by the banks for their * "Electronic Funds Transfer System" (EFTS). ALL financial transactions * for the banks pass through there via subsidiary company, "Funds * Transfers Services Pty Ltd." (FTS) * The New York Times INTERNATIONAL Wednesday, May 21, 1997 * by Clyde H. Farnsworth, Woomera, Australia. * * As Darth Vader's Death Star is blown to bits in the newly remastered "Star * Wars" at the local theater, the audience of Australian and American Air * Force personnel, and squadrons of their children, lets out a whoop. As the * lights go on, everyone is beaming. * [snip] * * Pine Gap employs nearly 1,000 people, mainly from the CIA and the U.S. * National Reconnaissance Office. * * It is the ground station for a U.S. satellite network that intercepts * telephone, radio, data links and other communications around the world. Worldwide telephone interception. ******************************************************************************

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Re: NSA advanced knowledge
by koontz＠MasPar.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In 1987 there were a series of papers given out as part of the package to CCEP vendors (or prospective vendors): The Secure Data Network System: An Overview (NSA) By: Gary L. Tater Edmund G. Kerut SDNS Products in the Type II Environment (contains refer to 1987 paper) John Linn BBN Communications Corporation (need for easy Key Management) Cambridge, Massachusetts SDNS Services and Architecture Ruth Nelson Electronic Defense Communications Directorate GTE Government Systems Corporation 77 A Street Needham, MA 02194 .... Key Management -------------- The heart of SDNS is the Firefly keying system, which is based on public key en- cryption. Each terminal has a unique Fire- fly key which is bound together with a non-forgeable certificate. The certificate identifies the terminal and specifies its security-relevent characteristics. Two SDNS terminals desiring to communicate ex- change certificates and keying information (the Firefly excange) and make access con- trol decisions based on the identifying in- formation. The exchange generates a traf- fic key which is unique to the two terminals and which is new for that key ex- change. If communication is permissible, the terminals then negotiate the communca- tions parameters for use of the traffic key. ... SP4: A Transport Encapsulation Security Protocol Dennis Branstad, National Bureau of Standards Joy Dorman, Digital Equipment Corporation Russell Housley, Xerox Corporation James Randall, International Business Machines Corporation Access Control Within SDNS by Edward R. Sheehan Analytics Incorporated 9821 Broken Land Parkway Columbia, Maryland 21046 None of these contained any dates except the 1987 paper reference ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the earliest reference I know of to government public key cryptography, and I was under the impression this was where the reference in Gus Simmons book came from.

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Guilt by Association?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:49 AM 1/25/96, Alan Olsen wrote: >This is a problem with the web of trust in general. It is known as "Guilt >by Association". > >Person X commits treasonable act A. All of the persons who are signed on to >his key could be considered to be co-conspirators. The same applies to >nyms. The difficulty with prosecuting nyms is finding the link to the real >world individual. Anyone associated with him/her/it will be considered to >be guilty by reason of key signage or a way of determining who the real >person is... .... >I guess we are stuck with the "Web of Guilt"... Although I disagree with many things the U.S. government has declared unlawful, and think we are on the wrong track in many ways, I don't see any evidence for a "web of guilt." I could have signed the keys of Timothy McVeigh, O.J. Simpson, and Hilary Clinton, and yet this would not cause any prosecutor to indict me, per se. (Brian Davis, do you disagree?) Obviously if one of these persons I was known to have associated with, to the point of signing their keys, were under investigation, then some detectives might follow up some leads to find out who I was. This is ordinary detective work, not guilt by association. Key-signing is overrated, in my view. It is just an affidavit from someone that they think a person is related to a key. I've signed a few keys (not many, and don't ask me to!), and I've never once asked for any form of state-sanctioned ID. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Netscape & open NNTP servers
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:23 PM 1/24/96 -0800, you wrote: > I believe that it will use a SOCKS proxy if configured, but that >NNTP will not use the HTTP proxy. I am not certain about 2.x, but the 1.x would read mail through an NNTP proxy, but not post it. SOCKS would work, but not for the type of connection the poster was looking for... In 1.2 and 1.22, the NNTP proxy was hidden in the netscape.ini file. (It was considered "broken" becuase you could not post to news.) No good answers... Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "Is the operating system half NT or half full?"

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Re: Secrecy of NSA Affiliation
by Douglas F. Elznic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:35 PM 1/25/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 5:55 PM 1/25/96, Rich Salz wrote: > >>Up until recently (18-30 months ago) NSA employees were only allowed >>to identify themselves as employees of DoD. It was common knowledge, >>that unspecific references to Fort Meade meant NSA; and if you saw >>a P.O. from Procurement Office, Fort Meade, it meant the NSA was buying >>it. > >When I attended Crypto '88, nearly 8 years ago, at least several of the NSA >attendees had "National Security Agency" on their name badges. It may be >that run-of-the-mill employees still maintain the fiction for public >consumption that they are DOD employees, but such was not the case in 1988 >at "Crypto." > >(Recall the "NSA Employees Manual" which 2600 liberated, and which Grady >Ward then redistributed. It had some tips, as I recall, on what employees >should tell the curious.) > >When I visited the D.C. area in early '91 or '92 (I forget which year it >was), I stopped by Fort Meade to see the place. The sign out front >prominently said "National Security Agency," complete with the NSA seal (an >eagle lifting a hacker up in its talons). > >Also, much other evidence points to the NSA having "gone public" much >farther back in time than 18-30 months ago. Former DIRNSAs on the >MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour were always introduced as former directors of the >NSA. As early as the mid-80s, as I recollect. I think Bamford's book pretty >much outed the name, though it was widely known before that, of course. > >(I attended my freshman year of high school in Langley, VA. Through the >woods on one side of the school was CIA headquarters. At that time, 1967, >it was still only labelled as something like "Department of Transportation >Road Testing Facility." Everyone knew what it really was, of course. Rick >Smith, on this list, was a classmate of mine and can attest to this. The >CIA "went public" in the early 70s, the NSA in the early 80s, the NRO in >the early 90s...I sense a pattern. This means the ultra-secret ERO >(Extraterrestrial Research Organization) will be outed in the opening years >of the next decade.) > >--Tim May > > >Boycott espionage-enabled software! >We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > > > Phrack actualy published the manual. I have a local copy if anyone is interested. -- ==================Douglas Elznic=================== delznic(a)storm.net http://www.vcomm.net/~delznic/ (315)682-5489 (315)682-1647 4877 Firethorn Circle Manlius, NY 13104 "Challenge the system, question the rules." =================================================== PGP key available: http://www.vcomm.net/~delznic/pgpkey.asc PGP Fingerprint: 68 6F 89 F6 F0 58 AE 22 14 8A 31 2A E5 5C FD A5 ===================================================

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