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Re: NYT/CyberTimes on CWD article
by eli+＠gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/0706patrol-reporters.html > "If we believe the encryption scheme has > been compromised, we will make another > one." Heh. It seems that these companies are going to have a problem as long as they use lists of *excluded* sites. Forget insight into company policy; these are global indices of "smut" on the net. (The lists of the more liberal companies are probably most attractive to those not titillated by NOW position papers.) They have to give you the list, and they have to give you software that uses it, so there's no way to achieve complete secrecy. I think the best they can do is to distribute a list of hashed URLs. -- Eli Brandt eli+(a)cs.cmu.edu

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demo rating
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Certificate-Type: Chudov/Wilcox Content/Author Rating Rating-Type: Content Object-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 23:16:59 +0200/From: bryce(a)digicash.com Topicality: 10 Entertainment: 10 Value: 10 Signer: 0x2c2998ad Timestamp: Sat Jul 6 23:59:15 MET DST 1996 Signature: <wrapped> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMd7hzkjbHy8sKZitAQE2EgL/SzCdEDihADRwDnGMy/GmkUF/3z082FRz uv0QbyR32Se15q+nkNZoj0vrMB9oFdFDv5fFON7oun3kLN+BukCAQTwta2+CYaIQ F6CwqeZz5TdAFYLB8lrgM0jAQDNaIiI6 =q+l+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Need PGP-awareness in common utilities
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:56 7/6/96, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: >Hm. That might be an interesting addition to my plan, but the >first step is to generate ratings and to consume them at each >individual's mail-handling site. So I, for example, would run a >script every time I received mail (or every hour, or every day, >etc) which looked for ratings certificates, PGP-verified them, >and saved the rating in a database. Then I would run another >script (every time I received mail, or every hour, etc.) which >identified incoming messages and _did_ something to them if >there were sufficient ratings in the database to merit _doing_ >something to them (e.g. delete, promote to a "well-rated" >folder, demote to a "poorly-rated" folder, forward to my >friends, forward to my enemies, etc.). As has been discussed in numberous previous threads on this topic, even a passive rating system is very hard to implement. The computer doesn't know if you hit delete because the post was garbage or because you are running late on some project. An active rating system is virtually impossible to implement, given the added workload on the readers. Good lucky anyway, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-07-06 21:46:03 EDT, stend(a)grendel.austin.texas.net (Firebeard) writes: << It's also trivial enough to be done by 99% of the people on cypherpunks in their sleep. As for realy secure systems, they aren't on the net, they don't have dialups, and you access them from vaults. >> Yes. But let me ask you this. Have you done it yet?? I doubt it. And if ya needed it.. and someone had it...wouldnt you just say.. Uh.. OK.. Ill take it rather than spend my precious time on it. Exactly. Later.

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 7/7/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >(As Sandy S. also noted, Ritalin has "paradoxical" effects. (I saw Sandy's >remark after sending off my reply to Simon.)) > >I've _seen_ the kid on Ritalin, and he's zombie. When it wears off, he's >back to being alert and active. Stimulants tend to have an odd effect on children. Instead of making them more active, they tend to do just the opposite. (My daughter used to have that problem with caffiene. Used to put her to sleep.) This makes the situation even more scary, considering how little is known about the brain chemistry of growing children. I am expecting the long term effects of these drugs will be "interesting". (And not in a good way.) I know a woman who was tranq'ed as a kid. She is nice and sweet, cannot dream at all, and is a total and unrepentant sociopath. Your results may vary. --- |"Computers are Voodoo -- You just have to know where to stick the pins."| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Oh no! No ratings again... (Re: Need PGP-awareness in common uti
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:16, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: > If you have a moderation bot for a Usenet group (and could it be > pressed into service as a mailing list handler I wonder?), this > would be a nice tool to start with in order to implement > full-fledged content/author ratings. [..] Bad idea unless the list is rating authors who are not on the list. It would be equivalent to setting up a reputation web. Or is this a stab at humor? Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Need PGP-awareness in common utilities
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Jul 96 at 23:56, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: [..] > Hm. That might be an interesting addition to my plan, but the > first step is to generate ratings and to consume them at each > individual's mail-handling site. So I, for example, would run a > script every time I received mail (or every hour, or every day, > etc) which looked for ratings certificates, PGP-verified them, > and saved the rating in a database. Then I would run another > script (every time I received mail, or every hour, etc.) which > identified incoming messages and _did_ something to them if > there were sufficient ratings in the database to merit _doing_ > something to them (e.g. delete, promote to a "well-rated" > folder, demote to a "poorly-rated" folder, forward to my > friends, forward to my enemies, etc.). Some lists require plenty of time to read each day (let alone if I go on a vacation for a few days and want to catch up). Managing a rating system would double the work if I were to do it by hand-rating the raters, etc. It's easier to put certain people or subject threads in a twit-list folder and delete the rest by hand rather than put twice that effort into a rating system... chances are most people who quickly tire of maintaining it, let the rating system run on autopilot and then disable it when they realize they missed something really important or interesting. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Wiretapping Rises EYE_son
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Wash Post today has page one lead story on the sharp rise in wiretapping by the Clinton administration. Former restraints due to high cost have been overcome with more money and more efficeint technology, eagerly supported by a bipartisan Congress and grateful LEA and DoJ cartelest conspiracists. And, there is a lengthy Op-Ed on the "growing stealth slice of the shrinking defense pie." Lots and lots of secrets, can't get enough of them, can't tell the public what they are, about real and imaginary terrorists and anti-terrorists -- and bypass the private citizens that threaten budgets and jobs and inner sanctum privileges. See at: http://www.washingtonpost.com No Web access? Or hate snooping newspapers, and spies traffic-analyzing? Send us via Ross Anderson's true anonymizer end-to-end encrypted spize-only top secret E-mail with the subject: EYE_son

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:06 PM 7/7/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> writes: >> Er... Tim... Ritalin is an amphetamine. > >Yes, it's an _anti-depressant, supposedly turning up those pieces of the brain >responsible for "tuning out" outside interference, and letting the hyperactive >kid concentrate. But a true cypherpunk never lets any facts interfere with his >political agenda. Vulis, time to put you back in my killfile. Gratuitous insults, especially those not based on important factual points, is your standard mode. (As Sandy S. also noted, Ritalin has "paradoxical" effects. (I saw Sandy's remark after sending off my reply to Simon.)) I've _seen_ the kid on Ritalin, and he's zombie. When it wears off, he's back to being alert and active. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DEA Intercepts
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would anyone know more about the DEA "process the intercepts by computer" in the excerpt below from today's Wash Post? Any connection to Peter Neuman's remarks at the CRISIS press conference about LEA training and technology as alternatives to breaking strong crypto? This new funding has been a factor in making possible increased use of electronic surveillance. Federal wiretaps cost more than $70,000 a month to operate and generate hundreds of hours of labor for monitors, transcribers, surveillance teams and investigators. Larger budgets mean cost is less of an obstacle. Building for the future, the DEA is carrying out a $33 million program to replace single-line wiretapping gear with new equipment that can monitor 40 lines simultaneously and process the intercepts by computer. The FBI is plowing millions into developing new intercept techniques for digital lines and expanding its cadre of agents who use the bureau's high tech surveillance gear. "I don't think J. Edgar Hoover would contemplate what we can do today in terms of technology," Reno testified during a Senate hearing in May. The total number of federal wiretaps is just one measure of the rise in federal surveillance. The build-up also is evident in the increased use of electronic devices that record the numbers dialed by a target telephone, and the origin of calls to it. These devices allow agents to identify a person's associates. Beginning in 1993, Justice agencies began using the court-authorized monitors more often and leaving them installed for longer periods of time, according to a Justice Department report.

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