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Re: I have something to say.
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)nsm.htp.org wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:28:02 GMT gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. > Burnore) wrote: > > >On 15 Nov 1997 04:21:40 -0800, rfg(a)monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) wrote: > > > >: In article <64ajuv$r9(a)newspeer2.dearborn.agis.net>, > >: Harold <harold(a)agis.net> wrote: > >: >I am taking back the statement I made. Not everyone here is pathetic. > >: > >: Gee! That's mighty white of you. > > > >Again with the bigoted, racist remarks, eh? > > > Poor sorry asshole netscum Gary L. Burnore, <gburnore@databasix> <gburnore(a)netcom.com>. > Just can't get over making substantially less money than Ron. > Why the hell don't you layoff Guilmette and get a fucking life for yourself. > Haven't you done enough damage to him and anonymous remailers you fucking piece of shit. > > <cue netscum gburnore lame response> Yeah, but poor Ron doesn't have a criminal arrest record like Gary does, despite Gary Burnore's unproven accusations, "big lie" campaign, crank calls to the FBI, etc. Gary's charges get more and more fanciful. Did you read the one where he accused Ron of abusing some "teenage girl" at DataBasix. Not a shred of evidence for his lies, of course. Fortunately for him, Netcom harbors net abusers and Gary had to suddenly leave California for North Carolina after his arrest in San Francisco. And there's his faithful sidekick, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, who's now posting with this forged line in her headers: > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. This is the same looney maroon netcop who whined when somebody started posting a URL from the AIDS Action League advocating a boycott of Gary Burnore's ex-employer, Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco. And then Gary has the nerve to call someone "racist" and "bigoted"? These two net abusers richly deserve their NetScum pages: http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/burnorg0.html http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/bryanb0.html --

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Re: A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To buttress suggestions for simulating the OKC bombing, here's an SAIC press release of August 1997 on a training program for disaster handling: SAIC AND TEEX TO PROVIDE ANTI-TERRORISM TRAINING TO FIRST RESPONDERS (MCLEAN, VA) Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) has signed an agreement with the Texas Engineering Extension Service (TEEX) to prepare civilian emergency responders for possible terrorist events. Under the agreement, SAIC and its teaming partners will provide training to firefighters and other first response personnel in the latest technologies for addressing chemical and biological terrorism. As the leader of the team, TEEX will hold training classes at Texas A&M University's Emergency Response Training Field at College Station, Texas, where firefighters and rescue workers will train in virtual reality simulators on the effects of chemical and biological weapons. TEEX, which is a member of the Texas A&M University System, annually provides training to 129,000 individuals and last year provided fire, rescue and hazardous materials training nationally and internationally to more than 28,000 responders. "The United States has been fortunate in that it has not had a successful terrorist attack perpetrated against it using biological or chemical agents," said G. Kemble Bennett, TEEX's CEO who oversees the 120-acre Brayton Fire Training Field. "However, experts agree that it is only a matter of time." "As a leader in chemical and biological warfare agent accident, response and assistance training for military and civilian emergency response agencies, SAIC can offer expert guidance to responders," said William L. Chadsey, senior vice president at SAIC. "Our company has provided emergency planning and consultative services to personnel and public service organizations worldwide." In September, U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) is expected to introduce a bill in Congress to designate the training field at Texas A&M and its facilities as The National Training Center for Urban Search and Rescue. The new center is expected to feature building collapse simulators and a facility dubbed "Disaster City" to prepare responders to handle earthquakes and bombings in addition to chemical and biological agents. If approved, Rep. Weldon¹s bill also is likely to facilitate the release of information from Bechtel Nevada at the Nevada Test Site about the handling of nuclear materials. Speaking at the signing ceremony, Fire Chief Gary Marrs of Oklahoma City, Okla., said, "The first responders in our communities, and specifically our firefighters, are tasked to respond and make a difference when disasters occur. Until the training and equipment, utilizing the latest in technology, get down to the street level, we put our responders at an extreme disadvantage and endanger their lives. I am encouraged to see these types of cooperative efforts make this training and technology available to the men and women of the fire service who protect our cities daily." Marrs, who managed the fire and rescue mission at the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, chairs the Urban Search and Rescue Committee for the International Association of Fire Chiefs located in Fairfax, Va. http://www.saic.com/publications/news/aug97/news08-06-97.html

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Pepper Sprays/ Personal Security Products
by ascan8506＠msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Klaas Foundation 1998 Tour
by auto100＠ccusa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This message is intended to reach Auto Dealers & Auto Industry businesses only. If you are not an Auto related business and wish to be removed from any future contacts, please reply in the subject area only with the word "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from any future contact. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Attention: Owner - General Manager - Advertising Director The Klaas Foundation for Children Program "What a program! We bought the program and then put 5 sponsors together for the event. We own 7 radio stations and we have done many community projects. As you know, TV and Newspapers never support your efforts due to perceived competition. The Klaas Foundation program was the #1 story on TV and front page on the newspaper. Our sponsors were so impressed and more important, we fingerprinted 400 kids in 6 hours! Wayne Hardy Atlantic Star Radio Group Wheeling, WV "We are the #1 volume Chrysler dealer in Texas and #6 in the country. We are very selective about who we do business with. Mark Bott is a true professional and the Klaas Foundation program is now an every year event at our store. Our customers constantly mention the program. We are proud to be a Klaas Foundation national sponsor! Amy Bowman Grubbs Mid-Cities Dallas, TX "We had over 2800 people in our showroom on Saturday. We fingerprinted over 800 kids and in the midst of this, we sold 35 cars! Mark Bott and Marc Klaas are extremely effective in the promotion of this program and I have re-booked and sent my checks for the 1998 tour." Darren Kirkland Koon's World Ford Hollywood, Florida "I was overwhelmed with the turnout and so proud of my employees and our community. Every one in Omaha thanks me and asks when Marc Klaas will be back. I have committed to do this again next year and Norwest Bank, my cosponsor, said they are in for sure! This program still has my employees high and has spawned huge community involvement on the part of our organization. I have sold many cars to the people that I met during this program and established community, law enforcement and legislative contacts that I would have never had." Gregg Young - Beardmore Chevrolet - Omaha, NE "I represent the Fulton Auto Dealers in Fulton, New York. As their advertising agency, we inspected, made calls, asked questions and brought up what ifs to Mr. Bott when he approached us on the Klaas Foundation program. We had over $400,000 in free press generated and our dealer group has re-book for 1998. We had 650 people at the Town Meeting and have recommended this program to all of our clients without hesitation." JudySchmidt Camilus,NY History During a slumber party in October of 1993, 12 year old Polly Hannah Klaas was abducted at knife-point from her Petaluma, California home. A mass distribution of over 2 billion images of Polly was sent worldwide. She had soon become a symbol of love and lost innocence. The world froze one cold evening in December when the media reported that Polly, "America's Child," the beautiful girl with the warm brown eyes shown smiling in home videos for millions of TV viewers, was not found alive. The country was outraged. The public cried out for change in legislation and pro-action in crime prevention. "Polly was faced with a choice few people ever have to make," said her father, Marc Klaas. "By putting herself in mortal danger to protect her family and friends, Polly has become my greatest teacher." Marc Klaas immediately dove into a campaign to put children higher on the national priority list. With no prior media, political or public speaking experience, he immediately became savvy in affecting pro-active legislation, and sought to advocate children's issues and speak out on crime prevention. The Purpose A 7 day march through your state to affect State and Federal legislation on the following issues. Raising children to the #1 priority in this country. Keeping dangerous people behind bars. Making background checks mandatory for anyone that has unsupervised access to children. ( Teachers, Coaches, Day care workers and any others that work directly with our children.) Become a tour sponsor and join us for this March Across America with Marc Klaas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For additional information to become a sponsor, please contact: Mr. Mark J. Bott, National Program Director Phone 217-529-4174 - Fax 217-529-4172 47 Auto Dealers and an assortment of other retail businesses hosted this program in 1997, so there are many references. If you are interested in bringing Mr. Klaas and the power of this program to your community, please contact us today.

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Junior Jim Bells in Training
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two more future cypherpunks added to the list of people who will someday "McVeigh" Washington, DC. I'm surprised sending a flame to one of our elected leadership's public email addresses is not already a death penalty offense. ----- CORDOVA, Tenn. (AP) -- Two 13-year-old boys are charged with sending a threatening e-mail message over the Internet to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Contents of the electronic mail message to the president's wife haven't been released, but U.S. Secret Service agents are expected to outline them during a hearing Monday in Juvenile Court. The youngsters, whose names have not been released, are charged with threatening and harassing Mrs. Clinton. They could face a fine, counseling, community service or detention. Officials say it's unlikely that the president's wife read the message, which was sent last month. Anyone with a computer, modem and an Internet service provider can access the White House Web Page and Mrs. Clinton's E-mail address. Her page includes photos, a biography, speeches and instructions on sending an electronic message. ``The Internet is a wonderful tool that not only enables you to better access information about the White House, but also gives us an opportunity to hear your ideas and better serve you,'' Mrs. Clinton says in the welcoming text of her Web page. Senders must include a name, address and other information about why they're writing. All senders receive an electronic message acknowledging receipt of the e-mail. It was not clear whether the boys included their own names and addresses, but authorities say tracing e-mail is relatively easy. ``We aggressively investigate any threats or incidents of unusual interest toward any of our protectees,'' said Steven Rutledge, special agent in charge of the Secret Service in this area. Cordova is about 15 miles east of Memphis. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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States in the Constitution
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Constitution: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the authority of training and Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; Section 10. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; Coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay. Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. Section 2. The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; -- to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; -- to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; -- to Controversies between two or more States; -- between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States; -- and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. In all Cases, affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. Section 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof. Section 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from with he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime. {No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.} [See Amendment XIII.] Section 3. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States, and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions of the three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which shall be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of it's equal Suffrage in the Senate. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same. The Amendments: ARTICLE VI. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have Assistance of Counsel for his defence. ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ARTICLE XI. The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State. [8 January 1798.] ARTICLE XIII. Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. [18 December 1865.] ARTICLE XIV. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in a rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume to pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. [28 July 1868.] ARTICLE XV. Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude ---- Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ---- [30 March 1870.] ARTICLE XVI. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. [25 February 1913.] ARTICLE XVII. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislature. When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: *Provided*, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be construed as to affect the election or term of any senator chosen before it becomes a valid part of the Constitution. [31 May 1913.] ARTICLE XIX. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. The Congress shall have power by appropriate legislation to enforce the provisions of this article. [26 August 1920.] ARTICLE XXI. Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by convention in the everal States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress. [5 December 1933.] ARTICLE XXVI. Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. [circa 1970/1971.] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Abandonment of legal precedence... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 12:37:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: Abandonment of legal precedence... (fwd) > I don't know what you are smoking but I said nothing of the sort. You > implied that the break with England was for the purposes of overturning > the entire legal system and that English Common Law has no significance on > the current American legal system. I challenged this as it flies in the > face of fact and reality showing your complete ignorance of law and legal > history. Dude, Your lack of ability to comprehend english and extrapolate to the fantastic is truly amazing. You should consider turning it into a money maker. Either that or you're having a breakdown, see a shrink. Maybe they can do something about these visions you're seeing. Happy New Year! ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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newscolumn1.html
by damaged justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[1]Microsoft Small Business [2]Business First [3]Kemper Insurance Companies [4][ISMAP]-[5][USEMAP] December 29, 1997 Tech Watch Groups line up in support for Internet commerce taxes ______________________________________________________________ John Frees Rumblings on the horizon suggest that tax-free Internet commerce could be coming to an end. State governments, already losing as much as $3 billion annually in taxes on direct-mail purchases, are taking a strong look at the growing market for online purchases. The Federation of Tax Administrators, the National Conference of State Legislatures, National League of Cities and the National Governors' Association all want Congress to let states tax such purchases. But problems involved in deciding how states could collect those taxes could delay any foreseeable solution. Advocacy groups favoring the collection have created an electronic commerce project to decide how states can obtain their share of taxes. But even advocates have wide differences of opinion, says Harley Duncan, executive director of Washington D.C.-based Federation of Tax Administrators. "People in the project run the gamut from those who want to apply taxes responsibly to everyone to those who argue that electronic commerce deserve special consideration, while others say we ought to say it should be treated the same as mail order," he says. There are some similarities -- and some differences -- between mail order and Internet commerce, says tax attorney Harvey Dunn of law firm Schottenstein Zox & Dunn. If a company has some presence in Ohio, say a store or a trucking company, then sales tax could be charged. But an out-of-state mail-order company that ships a product via common carrier doesn't have to charge sales tax. However, buyers should pay a "use tax" on items once they receive them, he says. "But no one does," Dunn says. Cars bought out of state are charged a use tax because they are titled, which gives the state control. The difficulty comes in determining how to collect such a tax, says Julie Carpenter, spokeswoman for the Ohio Department of Taxation. Right now, there's no way for the state to police all the goods that are bought elsewhere but used here. "An Ohio taxpayer's obligation is to pay the tax," she says. "Realistically, is this going to happen? Probably not, without guidelines and some oversight." Online purchases are even murkier because the Net's unique nature allows some products such as music, software or electronic magazines, to be downloaded, Duncan says. While a CD purchased in a store can be taxed, how can a government collect on a few megabytes sent over the Internet? The electronic commerce project is looking at a billing address approach, Duncan says. If the commerce terminates in a state and is billed to someone in that state, then that state could make a strong case for collecting taxes on the commerce. Another issue states face is the different taxation rates among states. If a product made in New Hampshire is sold online to someone in Ohio, should Ohio collect a sales tax even though New Hampshire doesn't have a state sales tax? And how should sales from other countries be factored? Because of these and other issues, Duncan doesn't expect project members to have a grasp of the issue until sometime next summer. Meanwhile, Everen Securities estimates general, apparel, furniture and other sales nationwide are expected to hit $795 billion by 2000. As much as $79 billion of that will be sold online. At an average sales tax of 5 percent, nearly $4 billion in taxes will go uncollected unless the states can convince the federal government to figure out a way to give them a share. Got a tip for Tech Watch? Reach reporter John Frees at columbus(a)amcity.com or by phone at 461-4040, ext. 143. © 1997, Business First [6]More News Columns References 1. http://www.microsoft.com/smallbiz 2. http://www.amcity.com/columbus/ 3. http://www.KemperInsurance.com/ 4. http://www.amcity.com/columbus/maps/new_topbar.map 5. LYNXIMGMAP:http://www.amcity.com/columbus/stories/current/newscolumn1.html#… 6. http://www.amcity.com/columbus/stories/current/newscolumns.html

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Searching_for_representatives
by cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8:00 PM 2/27/1997 Too Far Rep. Paul's comments about Waco irresponsible U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Surfside, said on C-SPAN that he lived in fear of being "bombed by the federal government in another Waco." Paul has embarrassed himself, his constituents and the state of Texas. The congressman needs to put aside his hysteria long enough to remember the facts of the standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidians: Members of the cult gunned down federal agents who had come to serve a search warrant at the Davidian compound, which they accurately believed to contain automatic weapons and other illegal armaments. Before that, the group's leader had sexually assaulted several children of his followers. The FBI allowed the group weeks to lay down its arms and surrender. Some members and their children did surrender and received every consideration from authorities; others set fire to their own building, causing the deaths of 81 people, including 25 children. Paul is wrong to state that the government bombed the Davidians and to imply further that Americans should fear that their lives might be ended any moment by murderous, renegade federal law enforcement officers. His irresponsible remarks encourage the irrational fears that were the root cause of the Davidian tragedy and make similar confrontations more likely. Rep. Chet Edwards of Waco perhaps had the best advice for Paul. If the congressman really fears he will be bombed by federal agents, he should leave Washington.

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