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Toastmasters? Incorporating
by remailer＠2005.bart.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How do corporations work, in terms of liability? If the cost of incorporating isn't forbidding, I would think a remailer operator might consider incorporating a company, and making the remailer a function of that company. That way, any losses are restricted to the total value of the corporation; that is, nothing. Any flaws? There must be something wrong with it somewhere. Thanks.

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Re: Sendmail Question (was: SMTP Server for sending to anonymous remailers?)
by John Deters 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:42 PM 5/19/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:09 AM 5/19/96 -0700, you wrote: >>If you use popmail (like Eudora), then just tell it the server to use in >>"SMTP Host". >> -Lance >I have been following this with no little interest. Using Eudora Pro when I >attempt to replace host: smtp1.abraxis.com with *SMTP Host*, I receive the >message *Attempting to resolve host: SMTP Host*, and dat's all until I stop >the send command. > >Thanks > >Alec Alec, What he meant was that you should replace the contents of the SMTP server's field with the address of the first remailer in your chain. For example, if I wanted to send this through the Holy Cow remailer, I'd put this in the SMTP server field: haystack(a)holy.cow.net Remember, though, that several things OUT OF YOUR CONTROL have to happen for your mail to be anonymised successfully. First, if you are behind a "firewall" (i.e. doing this at work through your work's net connection) your firewall may be implementing what is known as a "proxy." That means even though you're using the SMTP protocol, you may not be *directly* talking to the SMTP client of the remailer. It may "look" like you're able to SMTP out to whoever you want to send mail, but in reality, the firewall can intercept your request, and "pretend" to be some other SMTP server. It then accepts your outgoing mail, and forwards it to the real destination. Abraxis sells firewalls. Also, your firewall may be configured to not pass SMTP out at all, but rather to require you to send any SMTP traffic directly to it. That means you can not change your SMTP server to anything outside of your local net. In either case, firewalls are certainly capable (and employers within their rights, but that's another useless thread) to log and/or read your mail. Anonymity lost, at least to your employer. Finally, the anonymous remailer may (or may not) have some kind of logging turned on. I don't know why they would (what's the value if they do) but if some law enforcement agency orders them to discreetly monitor traffic, you lose again. Unless you PGP encrypt your mail to the remailers before it leaves your machine for the big bad net, someone else can read it. And, no matter what, persons unknown can tell that your machine sent some message to the remailer. (This is known as "traffic analysis".) Therefore, I'd *highly* recommend not e-mailing anything illegal over the net, remailer or no. -j, annoying, yes. Illegal or harassing, no. -- J. Deters >From Senator C. Burns' Pro-CODE bill, which I support and you can find at: http://www.senate.gov/member/mt/burns/general/billtext.htm " (2) Miniaturization, disturbed computing, and reduced transmission costs make communication via electronic networks a reality." +---------------------------------------------------------+ | NET: jad(a)dsddhc.com (work) jad(a)pclink.com (home) | | PSTN: 1 612 375 3116 (work) 1 612 894 8507 (home) | | ICBM: 44^58'33"N by 93^16'42"W Elev. ~=290m (work) | | PGP Key ID: 768 / 15FFA875 | +---------------------------------------------------------+

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(Fwd) Re: TCM: mafia as a paradigm for cyberspace
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry Vlad Z. Nuri, but this message was intended for Cypherpunks, to be cc'd to you. Unfortunately, I wrongly addressed it. To CPunks: the reply that should have hit CPunks: ============================================================ To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Subject: Re: TCM: mafia as a paradigm for cyberspace Date sent: Sun, 19 May 96 19:52:45 -0700 From: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> there is no ethical basis for killing. please kindly keep your trash out of my mailbox I've evaluated all sides of the story, and am not influenced by corrupt machiavellianism ============================================================= -------Original Message Follows ------- From: Self <Single-user mode> To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> Subject: Re: TCM: mafia as a paradigm for cyberspace Reply-to: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:59:00 On 18 May 96 at 12:43, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > maybe talk to Jim Bell some more. perhaps > eventually you will perfect the method of perpetrating the perfect > killing!! I really do admire you, because killing people without > getting caught is surely a great unrecognized art, and one of the > most unappreciated and misunderstood. something that has only been a > dream to the blighted wretches prior to our glorious new phases of > cyberspatial technology, which makes human morality completely > obsolete. I think that you are writing way out of context. First, wether or not the AP scheme is used for the control of government, as Jim Bell pushes it, does not mean that it will not be implemented for other purposes, such as killing successful businessman or your neighboor's son who is screwing your wife (noticed that she smiles all the time since a while? ) . Second, everybody like Jim Bell who is pushing the AP scheme is doing so on ethical basis: that the coercion the government imposes on to the individuals by regulations, and guns backed taxation justifies the killings. I have to see yet any cypherpunks who seems to agree with AP that envision another use than govt control. Third, you will notice that even Jim Bell discusses issues of anonymous transactions and businesses that, if conducted properly, makes the AP scheme irrelevant. So, it seems that AP is only a tool instead of being an end in itself. Fourth, you lack some basic psychological insight: intrinsic murderers do enjoy the knowledge of the details of their actions and the derived perception of power. AP prevents that by anonymising everything: a donator cannot know if he caused the death of somebody (unless he spends several tens of grands himself, but then, there are other, more satisfying ways for a power seeker to fullfill his passions...) . You seems to oppose the proposed violence entailed by AP but you positively blank out what everybody who reflected on AP put in the opposite pan of the balance, i.e. the ethical standards of contemporary govt actions. And you'll also note that the anonymity issue generate more interest from more CPunks because it (hopefully) will acheive the same goal without any killing. Until you accept to evaluate both side of the story, your recriminations opinions are as evident as the magnetic monopole... jfa DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee; Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants; physists, technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 Unsollicited commercial e-mail will be proofread at US165 $/h Any sender of such material will be considered as to have ac- cepted the above mentionned terms.

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Edited Edupage, 16 May 1996
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" 16-MAY-1996 23:29:38.03 >AOL TEAMS UP FOR E-COMMERCE >America Online has cut deals to license encryption, digital signature, and >electronic transaction and funds transfer technologies from a variety of >companies, including CyberCash, IBM infoMarket, RSA Data Security, Terisa >Systems and VeriSign. "These new relationships will provide the building >blocks for a secure electronic commerce platform," says AOL's VP of product >marketing. The online service plans to integrate the electronic commerce >technologies into both its online service and its Global Network Navigator >Internet access service. (Investor's Business Daily 16 May 96 A9) Well, at least they're making moves to get cryptography to the AOL masses.... although somehow I suspect that they'll roll over and play dead for any and all GAK pressure, and won't use any variety of truly anonymous digital cash. >ATTEMPT TO BLOCK USE OF CANADIAN SATELLITES >MCI Communications, AT&T and EchoStar Satellite all have filed additional >complaints this week with the FCC about proposals made by rivals >Tele-Communications Inc. and TelQuest Ventures that cite Ottawa's refusal to >allow American companies to beam their programs into the United States as >cause for the FCC to deny the application. (Toronto Financial Post 16 May 96 >p3) An ex-FCC official says the American regulator is unlikely to approve >the use of four Canadian satellites by US-based TelQuest Ventures and >Tele-Communications Inc. to beam signals to the American market unless >Canada's market is opened up to U.S. services. (Montreal Gazette 15 May 96 G3) One wonders what the FCC would do if they weren't US-based companies, and if it weren't from satellites from such an interlocked-with-the-US country as Canada. -Allen >Edupage is written by John Gehl (gehl(a)educom.edu) & Suzanne Douglas >(douglas(a)educom.edu) Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057. >*************************************************************** >Edupage ... is what you've just finished reading. To subscribe to Edupage: >send mail to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu with the message: subscribe edupage >Jack Kerouac (if your name is Jack Kerouac; otherwise, substitute your own >name). ... To cancel, send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu with the >message: unsubscribe edupage. (If you have subscription problems, send >mail to educom(a)educom.unc.edu.)

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Re: anonymous companies
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"unicorn(a)schloss.li" "Black Unicorn" 18-MAY-1996 11:16:57.48 > At 06:42 PM 5/16/96 -0700, Wei Dai wrote: > > Solution: smart contracts. This is Nick Szabo's idea of building > > contractual obligations into cryptographic protocols so that the parties > > have no choice but to fullfil them. But again we don't know whether this > > will actually work for this problem. >But what happens when there are nuances or circumstances which contracts >do not anticipate? This "complete" reliablity is also a curse for >flexibility which fast moving entities need to survive. That's an argument for combining them with escrow agencies. If the escrow agency is less likely to need to intervene, then they'll charge less... the principle of insurance company risk estimation. -Allen

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Re: SEVERE undercapacity, we need more remailer servers FAST
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What countries are noticeable for being anti-Scientology? They would appear to be good locations for special-purpose remailer ultimate-output ends. -Allen

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Re: Is Chaum's System Traceable or Untraceable?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tcmay(a)got.net" 18-MAY-1996 14:30:54.29 >I agree with Jim Bell on this completely. I don't know if Chaum has been >seduced by the Dark Side, or is looking to get digicash widely deployed by >"respectable" institutions, or is telling the truth (that his system >_never_ provided for real untraceability), but I know that Cypherpunks >should always strive for full untraceability. Given what I've picked up (including what institutions he's chosen to deal with, the behavior of these institutions - MTB's dropping of merchants disapproved of by Mrs. Grundy et al, and other information), I am willing to bet that the second is the priority. Once his patents run out, all bets are off... but it looks like he's wanting to get ecash accepted before then. Otherwise, everyone may be using various non-anonymous (or GAKed anonymous) methods like credit card encryption. Unless I'm reading the ecash protocols wrong, using the current version of the software some degree of payee anonymnity is possible. -Allen

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Re: A cryptographic alternative to escrow agents (Matts' half coin)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"unicorn(a)schloss.li" "Black Unicorn" 18-MAY-1996 11:46:08.35 >The mint is the escrow agent. It still (obviously) needs to be trusted. The mint will need to be trustworthy anyway; otherwise, you can get a "final round" problem in which they print up lots of ecash and spend it before the value completely plummets, or they get lots of requests to cash existing ecash in. -Allen

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CAPITALISTS' SUCK
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

! Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 20:28:04 -0400 ! From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> ! ! >Dave Harman writes: ! > ! > CAPITALISTS' SUCK ! ! What witty social commentary. Information wants to be free.

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New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, WOW! It was apparently an exciting weekend while I was gone. I'm sorry the shinobi remailer announced it's retirement but the exciting thing seems to be this mysterious "middle-man" remailer. If it works as the maintainer says, we can have a whole new avenue for setting up undetectable remailers. Anyway, I've updated the type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com to reflect the retirement of shinobi and the creation of the middle-man remailer. The lists are available by anon FTP as well as http://www.jpunix.com. John Perry - KG5RG - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMaBlT1OTpEThrthvAQHpwAP+I4XqvV7PqkY2q+6cnYiPerqByfYEQa8Y 22efJIGNN4SwHFptI5Hf2sTcT03G5stFXeDbt6GkJYozHfp860Ms00LusYcZhVr2 I8YJc6SzzWqYQnorJE72aausb9f5D1R7eq+2zza0QL7JTOTGVYyA4k/r6pzhf/xU DrQJDFjhEH0= =fU3G -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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