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Mailing list for cryptography
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)imsi.com>: > I'm thinking (again) about setting up a specialized mailing list for > discussing cryptography... While I agree with Perry's implication that the CP list does tend to go off track rather often, it _was_ set up specifically to bring together the social and technical aspects of cryptography, and does generate useful discussion on occasion ;-] If you want to discuss only cryptography, there's always sci.crypt... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: Mailing list for cryptography
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>"Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)imsi.com>: >> I'm thinking (again) about setting up a specialized mailing list for >> discussing cryptography... > >While I agree with Perry's implication that the CP list does tend to go off >track rather often, it _was_ set up specifically to bring together the >social and technical aspects of cryptography, and does generate useful >discussion on occasion ;-] > >If you want to discuss only cryptography, there's always sci.crypt... > Snicker, snicker. What planet are *you* living on? :-) The only reason it's sci._crypt_ is because that's what 90% of the flame-fests get started on. I'd guesstimate that only 1 posting in 100 is actually about crypto, or some directly crypto-related matter. The rest of it is S*****light vs. The World name-calling and character assassinations. Dave Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted Email may be ignored without notice to sender. PGP preferred. Remember: It is not enough to _obey_ Big Brother; you must also learn to *love* Big Brother.

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Re: PRIVACY REGULATIONS
by Jonathan Rochkind 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is no requirement to identity yourself, but the police will regularly lock you up in jail until you do identify yourself. They can't _force_ you to identify youself, and you can't go to trial for not doing so (partially because they dont' know who you are, but even if they later find out for other means), but nevertheless police departments everywhere will lock you up until you provide ID if you are stopped for a traffic violation. There is a guy around here-abouts who will routinely gets stopped for speeding and refuses to show ID out of principal. They put him in jail. He's tried to sue them, and lost. If it made it all the way to the supreme court, I'm not sure what they would decide. But the point remains, in real life, they put you in jail. Just be aware of it.

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Crypto tie-in to crash at White House
by thad＠pdi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Treasury department official in charge of enforcement, Ron Noble, said, in regard to security for the White House "Just as if you had a security measure or alarm system in your house, you wouldn't give me the code for it, I'm not going to give you at this point any specific answers..." Hmm. thad Thad Beier Pacific Data Images 408)745-6755 thad(a)pdi.com

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TIS SKE paper by ftp (fwd)
by chen＠intuit.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike McNally writes: > Carl Ellison writes: > > anonymous FTP to ftp.tis.com /pub/crypto/ske will give > > TIS's SKE paper with figures (in sep. files). > > The tarfile in that directory is labelled with a .Z extension; it's > not compressed (or else Mosaic is smarter (or stupider) than I > thought!) Actually, Mosaic is smarter than you thought. It automatically decompresses for you. - Mark - -- Mark Chen chen(a)netcom.com 415/329-6913 finger for PGP public key D4 99 54 2A 98 B1 48 0C CF 95 A5 B0 6E E0 1E 1D

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Stallings Talk (fwd)
by NetSurfer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I checked my mail and did not find any posts of this article - apologies if I missed it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 20:25:08 GMT From: Quantum Books <quanbook(a)WORLD.STD.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list TCP-IP <TCP-IP%PUCC.BITNET(a)cmsa.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Stallings Talk Quantum Books will host a luncheon talk on PGP by internationally acclaimed author Bill Stallings at 12:30 p.m. Thursday, September 22. The talk PGP: A Peek Under the Hood will last approximately 30 minutes and provide an overview on the internals of PGP, the e-mail privacy and digital signature application for the masses. Bill Stallings, author of the recently published Network and Internetwork Security and of a forthcoming guide on PGP will also be available to sign copies of his book. The talk is free and a light lunch will be provided. Seating is limited so a reservation is required. RSVP quantum(a)shore.net -- Quantum Books | A Technical and Professional Bookstore ----------------------------+------------------------------------------ Cambridge: 617-494-5042 | E-Mail: quanbook(a)world.std.com Philadelphia: 215-222-0611 | Mailing List: quanlist(a)world.std.com

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EFF's DIGICASH Archive
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

compiled by Stanton McCandlish EFF Digital Money & Online Commercial Transactions Archive Index of: ftp.eff.org, /pub/EFF/Policy/Privacy/Crypto_Clipper_ITAR/Digital_money/ gopher.eff.org, 1/EFF/Policy/Privacy/Crypto_Clipper_ITAR/Digital_money http://www.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Privacy/Crypto_Clipper_ITAR/Digital money/ chaum_privacy_id.article - David Chaum's August 1992 article from Scientific America describing "blind signature' technology and the possibilities of enhanced digital privacy. Such technology is behind Chaum's "DigiCash" e-money system. david_chaum.biblio - a 1994 list of publications by David Chaum, "the father of digital money", and strong proponent for online transaction systems that are anonymous and cryptographically secure. digicash.brochure - a 1994 brochure describing what DigiCash is. digicash.gif - the DigiCash logo. This is a GIF-format graphic file. digicash.announce - May 1994 press release hailing digicash as the first online cash payment system over computer networks. double_spend_finney.notes - October 1993 notes from a mailing list describing Chaum's digital cash in lay terms, focussing on the "double spending" problem that has so far crippled attempts to institute online transactions by others. By Hal Finney. ecash.gif - an "E-Cash" logo graphic (intended for use by merchants that accept DigiCash). magic_money.announce - may 1994 description of Magic Money V1.1 with autoclient and multiserver capability. This is an Internet-based digital money system. online_banks.info - a listing of online banks worldwide, books about online banking and a description of why online banking increases the privacy of individuals. online_cash_chaum.paper - Chaum's 1993 article describes 3 ways to make online cash exchange work. prepaid_smartcard_chaum.article - Chaum's 1994 paper explaining the technique of prepaid smartcards which contains stored value (in terms of dollars) which a user might exchange with a vendor rather than cumbersome cash. secure_newsgroup.paper - Marc Rinquette's August 1992 article on implementing electrocnic cash using secure newsgroups. visa_e-purse.announce - 1994 article and commentary discussing "electronic purse" proposal from Visa.

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Re: Islands in the Net
by eric＠remailer.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Again, as a wanna-be programmer, I *try* to use binary formats only where the data or information is peculiar to a particular program; if there's a chance that it will be shared with something else, I try to use text. The thing about all data is that most all of it eventually gets shared, even the stuff that one program might think proprietary to itself. >The general issue may be quite profound. If we want to use textual >representations and general purpose text tools, then a digital >signature _qua_ authenticator loses its use, since a text tool, >because it is a general purpose text tool, cannot verify the >signature. Sorry - you lost me on this one. When I see a PGP signature on a posting, isn't that an ascii-fied digital signature? Doesn't the textual representation of that signature have value/meaning? The word "_qua_" (Latin, therefore italicized, represented by underlining) roughly means "as". The textual representation of a signature *as* text has no value *as* a signature; it's just an arbitrary collection of symbols. The value of a signature only arises when one performs a cryptographic operation on it, which by definition is not a textual operation. We all know the standard for displaying (length-limited) text. But the first characters at the top from left to right until the end-of-line. Move down one line and repeat. But how does one represent the _authentication_ information in text. Typeface? Color? A vertical bar? Enclosure? One solution might simply be to discard before viewing any text whose authentication information doesn't match, and then one can assume that all information that looks like it's authenticated actually is authenticated. The PGP cleartext signature format, for example, suffers seriously in facial readability because the signer is only implicitly identified by the Key ID, and that's inside the armor block! Eric

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Re: Fundies!
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:33 AM 11/17/94 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: >This thread is totally irrelevant to cypherpunks. I'm beginning to understand Mssrs May and Hughes' peeves about this kind of cruft. Could you folks please take this discussion offline. Thanks, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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NSA gif/bmp/jpg...
by 'Kasey Uthurusamy' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seeing as how the CIA has gotten on the information 'superhighway'... (www.ic.gov) Does anyone have a gif/jpg/pcx...of the NSA logo...or possibly a collection of Fed logos...I downloaded the CIA logo and everyone at work was clammering for it... :) Kurgan -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _O_ "Ah...the KURGAN...he kurgan(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu \/\ /\/=<---- is the strongest of the punisher(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * immortals...." kaseyu(a)acad.stedwards.edu / \ _/ |_ "INVICTUS MANEO" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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