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RE: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob Hettinga writes in reply ('>'): >> If Tim believes that a judge has committed a capital crime, I want to >> hear about it. > >Right. The judge made a decision that Tim thinks the judge should die for. > >My point is not the fact of whether the judge committed an "executable" >offense, or didn't. It was that Tim made a thinly veiled threat. To wit, Tim >implied that the Judge should be executed for his court decision. I'm saying >that guys with associates' degrees in "criminal justice" would love any reason >to make Tim a new wife of one of their permanent jail residents after a, um, >crack, like that, and Tim, more to the um, point, seems to, um, up the ante, >by sauntering down to the the jailhouse and pissing on the guard's shoes. > >Metaphorically, of course. :-). I think you're making a mountain out of a metaphor, here, Bob (sound of language processor set on "puree"...) In what seems to worry you about Tim, I see him just saying that if things he thinks may come to pass, do come to pass, he isn't going to go "quietly into that goodnight". I suspect his view of what is coming is influenced by where he lives (Corralitos, CA) just as yours is influenced by your location (Boston, MA) and my viewpoint is necessarily influenced by my location (Noblesville/Indianapolis, IN). It seems to me that a lot of social changes start on the West Coast, often including those of a greater governmental powers nature -- Tim may actually have more to worry about than you or me. Or none of us may have these worries *if* we make sure, in whatever ways we can, to influence others to resist the continuing encroachment of governmental power upon individual freedoms. Plus I think (from what I can see): * Tim likes to be prepared; and * Tim finds weaponry intrinsically interesting; so these elements enter his writing. To make a long story short (too late!), when I read Tim saying that the judge has committed a capital crime, I interpret that as he should be tried, and if found guilty (as Tim thinks likely so), then he should receive a severe punishment consistent with the nature of his crime. Both Tim and you, Bob, write very clearly and coherently. I have never read anything that Tim has written that makes me think he is anywhere near ready to make a "first strike" against government -- but if the government chooses to act illegally and unconstitutionally against Tim, he says he will defend himself as is his right. I dunno... Sometimes, Bob, I think that you and Tim have so much trouble because you are in such violent agreement about the importance of cryptography... ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: Mad as Hell
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Blanc wrote: >Tim May wrote: > >>Colorado state Senator Charles Duke, also in the studio audience, >>spoke about the 10th Amendment Sovereignty Resolution, a modern >>version of Magna Carta designed to force a constitutional showdown >>with the federal government. > >This sounds interesting! This is what I had in mind, in that other thread >about "What Will Revolution Look Like" Be wary of the faux freedom advocates who hide behind the 10th. Duke and his ilk seek to pull the rug out from under the feds so as to impose their own version of law on their "constituents": CDA-morality rammed down the throats of hapless citizens living within the wrong borders. In many cases, State Sovereignty is just another phrase for the "Petty Bureaucrats Reempowerment Act": moral dictators hiding behind the flag of freedom. As for me, I'll take Individual Sovereignty over State Sovereignty on any day. The 9th Amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what those "others retained by the people" are. (hint: I'm not talking about Civil Rights) >(In a silly mood, I could see a gathering of such supporters in a large, >crowded courtroom, all wearing T-shirts saying, "It's *ShowTime* !!!" ) Given the public interest in Court TV and the OJ trials, it seems the US justice system has become a form of entertainment. Nothing wrong with wearing a T-shirt that states the obvious. How about an interactive TV show called "Kangaroo Court" that lets the viewers at home be the jury? "Press 1 to fry him, Press 2 for a slap on the wrist, Press 3 for ... " Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGtaieFWwZe05jcJAQE/Sgf+KC+8suk475bcEtE9b4mix8o8ZyyOH6RK VE+fn6BSYny+0vkoG84g1+K36IB/1f6DiZ3R0+/OqH4cUbxtp0zVBN60UhNzx4ee g2Vmdyeo+uHfNgB7CUvI4/YYAANNKPsDprYjxbGkmIrpaZIeVx/Ta623vjualyef tDZu6Zbn+n3vZxev+mQtwZBEur7LrDjlnlF8FnADs5SOc2L5MhxizV0zOFx2Gszt 6qU+m0sPfHibrEF+yRfemhdX//E98SSsxbnLCLmSOT9lX1uu4aX1OK9ekhnltcft iDzzesTBT/bFm35s8zdnMoh5cEsf08nF7I24JP3tdVJrCXX+4XRDlw== =kP2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin wrote: > Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > >This illustrates what a liability the poster has become to the > >cypherpunks. The group is becoming just another militia front, > >identified with racism and white supremacy, applauding violent murder > >of government agents, one step from applauding the Oklahoma killings. > >Its original purpose all but forgotten, the list has died, poisoned > >by the hatred flowing from its leader. > > What would be the most effective way of managing the problem you > perceive? > > Probably by writing the kinds of articles you would like to see on the > list. If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. It's ironic to see that the kind of off-topic, flaming, irrelevant posts which have caused such consternation in the past are now the norm. Reasonable people have been largely driven off the list, leaving it to supporters of violence and hate. The sad thing is, this is all unnecessary. The original conception was that cryptography would allow people to protect the privacy of voluntary interactions. Laws forbidding voluntary transactions will be difficult or impossible to enforce. We will move into a world where there is far more liberty and freedom for everyone. There is no need to blast government agents' heads open. There is no need to nuke D.C., or Japan. There is no need to disparage people of other races and cultures. Step back from this immersion in a culture of violence. Draw the cloak of privacy about your actions. That is the true cypherpunk way.

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"YOU TOO CAN MAKE MORE THAN $50,000.- "
by Mary 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Humor? - WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm]
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Victory for Microbroadcasting
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > The Intenet Content Coalition (ICC) made a cheap grab at trying to form > a corporate FCC to put the InterNet media-power brokering in the hands > of those who already rule the roost overseen by the FCC. > The fact of the matter is, the mainstream media is not going to have > a lot of trouble herding the majority of the sheeple into their feeding > pens, given the power, money and position that they already have, so > it is a bit tacky for them to have made an attempt to put themselves > in a position to 'enforce' standards favorable to themselves. Amen! These fools have to start realizing that their best allies in getting out from under the thumb of big gubmint are the citizens, many of whom share similar goals in this regard. If the corporations try to get too greedy, then they will be no better option for the citizens than the government currently is, and will have to fight their war on two fronts, which history has shown to be a very untenable position. > The difference between MicroBroadcasting and the MicroWeb/WebRings > that are being independently formed, is that MicroBroadcasting is > trying to get back what was stolen, and those on the InterNet are > trying to keep from getting what we already have, stolen in the > future. We should all encourage ourselves and others to develop as many communities and inter-related/active communities on the Net as possible in the near future. The more people who have something to defend, something to lose, by the loss of freedom on the Net, then the more who will be ready and willing to raise their voice when the Fascist Censors/Controllers attempt to steal what does not belong to them--our speech, privacy, and liberty. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > National Lawyers Guild Committee on Democratic Communications > 558 Capp Street, San Francisco 94110 > COURT REJECTS FCC's CONSTITUTIONAL CATCH 22 > In 1995, Judge Wilken rejected the government's first motion for a > preliminary injunction against Dunifer's broadcasts. At that time > the Court found merit in Dunifer's argument that the FCC's ban on > low power, affordable FM broadcasting was a violation of the First > Amendment's guarantee of free speech to all in the United States. ... > In response to pressure from the commercial broadcaster's lobby, > the National Association of Broadcasters (N.A.B.), the FCC has in > recent months been stepping up its campaign of harassment against > the thousands of micro radio stations now on the air in this > country. They are trying to find a few sympathetic/bought judges to make rulings which they can use against those who do not have the funds and the political savy that the Berkeley people do, in order to have a basis for further injunctions while they apply pressure from other fronts, as well. > Hiken commented ... > "In trying to do the N.A.B.Õs bidding, the FCC demonstrates > that it is nothing but an enforcement arm of the commercial > broadcast industry and the multi-national corporations which own > it." > In its > Friend of the Court brief the Lawyers Guild pointed out that FCC > regulations make it impossible for all but the very wealthy to > even apply for a broadcast license. This, they told the Court, is > the equivalent of saying anyone could speak from a soap box in the > park, but the box had to be made of gold. Freedom of speech for the rich and powerful...sound familiar? > For almost 70 years, the FCC has catered solely to the > interests of commercial corporate giants, through their > mouthpiece, the National Association of Broadcasters. These are > the pirates, who have stolen the airwaves from the American > people, and who represent corporate interests valued at more than > 60 billion dollars. > The legal team welcomes the opportunity to have a court identify > the real pirates of the airwaves -- not the thousands of > microradio broadcasters who seek to communicate with the people of > their communities, but rather the billionaire commercial interests > that control the airwaves as if they own them. We have criminals running the government, and pirates running the corporations. What should our role, as citizens, be? I submit that our role in society is to support the organizations (government, corporate, secular, religious...ad infinitum) which will serve our best interests in the process of serving their own. I further submit that the Globalization of society and government brings to life the concept that 'no man is an island,' and that it is no longer possible for us to support discrimination against, or oppression of, any individual or group of individuals without it coming back to haunt us much more quickly than in the past. The recent initiative by the US, Candada and Mexico, in conjunction with one another, to seek out 'bad' information/behavior in the health area on the Internet, is but one example of those who are thinking locally and acting globally. i.e. - If Canucks support legislation which will 'stick it to the Spics,' they will find themselves freezing to death because of a ban on jalopenos because of unsupported health claims by the Mexicans that jalapenos are 'good for you.' It is imperative that those of us concerned with the development and regulation of the Internet resist falling into the same sense of fatalism that has led us to allow the government and corporations to lead us into narrower and narrower chutes which separate us into feeding pens designed to turn us into docile consumers of spoon-fed government and corporate fascism. We need to make every attempt to keep the Internet a form of free- market socialism where 1 Byte == 1 Byte, no matter whether it is a Swedish byte, a communist byte, an Afro-American byte, a liberal byte, a gay byte, a Marv Alpert bite, etc. The minute that a Holocaust byte becomes of more or less inherent value or righteousness than an anti-Holocaust byte, then we enter the same quagmire which is suffocating and oppressing the established forms of government and society. We have allowed the mediums of politics and social customs to turn our world into a place where there is a difference of value in a symbol of currency, such as a dollar, which is dependent upon whether it is in a rich man's pocket, a poor man's pocket, a government pocket, a church pocket, etc. We have allowed ourselves to be sucked into the belief that we are separate individuals, separate nations, and that we can gain by taking from others. This is true, to a certain extent, as long as we remain prisoners of local geographical borders, but it will be less so in a global society. Who is the enemy? The enemy is whoever takes away your freedom. The enemy is whoever takes away my freedom. The enemy is whoever takes away our neighbor's freedom, or the freedom of strangers throughout our global community. The same applies to privacy, free speech, money, dignity, and a host of other things which are basic to our personal and group liberty. Who is our friend and ally? It is whoever mirrors the web site which is banned/stolen from us, whether they agree or disagree with our beliefs and goals. It is the anonymous remailer operator who replies to the anti-remailer lies and diatribes I send through their system, rather than blocking them. It is the person who attacks the organizations that seek to censor or ban our individual beliefs and opinions, even while attacking our beliefs and opinions in expressing their own. Freedom is our friend. Censorship is our enemy. George Spelvin (Mein Fuhrer--and nobody else's!)

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 11/14/97, Tim May wrote: > Which explains why that Japanese-produced RSA chip was suddenly withdrawn > from the market shortly after Jim Bidzos held it up in fron of Congress as > an example of how foolish the U.S. export laws are. The Japanese stooges > were ordered by their masters in Washington to conform to U.S. policy. So, Tim, exactly how much stock in RSA did you have in RSA at the time, and how much did the stock tank afterward? Say hello to Bidzos from us the next time you two have lunch...

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The V-Chip for PCs, the FCC, and broadcasting on the Net
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My original article on the VChip for PCs: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1528,00.html -Declan ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:37:34 -0800 From: Robert Cannon <cannon(a)DC.NET> Subject: Re: VCHIP (was Son of CDA) >>> David Lesher <wb8foz(a)NRK.COM> 11/14/97 09:37am >>> Cassidy Sehgal sez: >> >> The FCC proceedings currently on the mandatory inclusion of the V-Chip >> in televisions also refer to including the chip in personal computers. I >> think that is the back door the administration and groups like CDT are >> looking for to censor the net. > >If I recall correctly, that was an interpretation by a reporter >and has been revised... > The interpretation of the proceeding is correct. There has been no revision. There have been quotes in the press from FCC officials stating VCHIP does not apply to PCs because PCs cant display broadcast. This is inaccurate. Here is the language from the rulemaking itself: <SNIP> Para. 22: Other Television Receiving Apparatus. . . . In addition, personal computer systems, which are not traditionally thought of as television receivers, are already being sold with the capability to view television and other video programming. Section 551(c) of the Telecommunications Act makes it clear that the program blocking requirements were intended to apply to any "apparatus designed to receive television signals" that has a picture screen of 13 inches or larger. Accordingly, we believe that the program blocking requirements we are proposing should apply to any television receiver meeting the screen size requirements, regardless of whether it is designed to receive video programming that is distributed only through cable television systems, MDS, DBS, or by some other distribution system. These requirements would also apply to any computer that is sold with TV receiver capability and a monitor that has a viewable picture size of 13 inches or larger, as we currently do for closed captioning. <END SNIP> First, there have been a series of articles lately on technical developments for computers. There is the expectancy that soon all PC's will be able to receive and display broadcast signals. W3C is developing a standard for the display of broadcast over the Internet. So, if all future PC's can display broadcast, they fall under the provisions of para 22. See Spec to bring TV-like content to Net C|NET November 6, 1997; W3C Issues First Public Draft of Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language (SMIL): Key Industry Players and Research Organisations Team-Up to Merge the Web with Television (Nov 6, 1997); Changing Channels: Will the Internet Become TV, PC Magazine (November 1997). Second, if they fall under para. 22, then the VCHIP would be required to block the transmission, whatever the source. Para 22 states that the VCHIP will block "video programming that is distributed . . . by some other distribution system." Arguably, the Internet falls under "some other distribution system. Final thought, if you think this analysis is wrong, make sure you file comments with the FCC by November 24 at vchip(a)fcc.gov telling them so. Make sure the FCC understands this issue the way you think it should be understood. -Robert Cannon Internet Telecommunications Project http://www.cais.net/cannon/

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody(a)replay.com spake: >Step back from this immersion in a culture of violence. Draw the cloak >of privacy about your actions. That is the true cypherpunk way. Now this is A-1 cpunk-bonic blacknet stocking. Hectoring, condescending, intolerant, imperative, in perfect denial of all possible put-ons save the sound of one maggot gobbling a numbskull's braincell, backgassing a heed-this screed. As H bobs, eye *snot* dis lip. Suss is lisp (wa tmor (wa rc4)). wa locking intel inside wa nya, nya, nya wa wa? wa nsa, nsa, nsa wa wa, wa, wha the? wa w' .[Stego]

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are >>implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have >>objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected >>when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been >>dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that >>residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. >...SNIP... >I have never said "residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed." As I >recall my first comment along these lines, it was, paraphrasing (as I don't >feel like spending 15 minutes sifting through my archived mail), along the >lines of: "I fully expect to wake up some morning and hear that some >terrorist nuke has destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." Try this: : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 : : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any meaningful sense (not even the "will : no one rid me of this corrupt city?" sense, given that I have no : Beckett-like powers). You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of >>privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and >>murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, actually. >And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was the same in >1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called Waco that happened >around that time? Go back and read the traffic. You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. >Many of us don't "stand" for freedom of speech if it really means >suppression of racist, homophobic, whatever speech, as it seems to me in >many countries today. The Orwellian "freedom of speech does not mean >freedom to say wrong or offensive things" is a meme that seems to be >spreading. Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you spend your time wallowing in sewage.

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