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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> >Subject: Definition of AP? >Reply-To: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >>Anonymous wrote: >> Can you give me a definition/description of AP in a few concise lines? >Probably. > >Ideally, it would capture the theory/purpose/methodology in terms that >those unfamiliar with the concept could immediately understand. > >AP, considered generically, is a system which allows individuals and groups >of people to anonymously defend themselves from all types of agression, most >peculiarly including agression tolerated or even done by governments. Dear Mr. Bell: We have been both pleased and relieved to note that over the past several months you have used the troublesome initials "AP" much less frequently than has been your habit. This measurable improvement in your attitude has considerably reduced the influx of damaging materials into your files. Today, however, it has been brought to our attention that you took the opportunity to launch into an explanation (relatively controlled, we hasten to say) of the basic theory you have been propounding regarding AP. More troublesome is the evidence that you, yourself, posted the supposedly anonymous question to which you responded. We sincerely hope that such felonious manipulation of e-mail traffic and information does not indicate a return to your previous unacceptable outbursts. Knowing you have been attempting to "moderate" your posts, we are certain you will accept our offer of 5 sessions of Deep Tissue--Relaxation Therapy at the therapist of your choice -- with whom we have been in contact. Always hoping for the best, we remain, The Bell Team secserv(a)whitehouse.gov

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Re: The Balloon is Going Up....criminalization of noncompliant crypto
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Barber wrote: > The real problem is, as Hal notes, that CAs registered under the act > can only create certificates if the corresponding private key is lodged > with a registered KRA. > > This proposal is a bald attempt to make a totally artificial linkage > between a concept for which there is a good [or at least perceived good] > business case -- officially registered CAs -- and one which the > government desires but which has *no* business case: officially > registered KRAs. It's trying to make it seem that key recovery/escrow > has something to do with key signing/certification when it patently > does not. Do the words 'Gun Control' ring a bell? It seems that every time government announces its intention to restrict 'criminals' use of an item, it is not long before everyone using that item is considered a criminal. In the case of encryption, it will still be legal, but not if you use real bullets. Perhaps if enough people manage to circumvent forced key escrow in the future, the government will pass a law requiring all crypto products to force everybody to use the same password. (I can hardly wait to see what reasoning they use to explain to us that it is for our own protection.) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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[NOISE] labelling requirement in EDSA 1997
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, One of the more disturbing pieces of the Electronic Data Security Act of 1997 is the requirement that encryption software be labelled as to whether it uses Key Recovery Agents. While most cypherpunk-friendly software will be proud to label itself as non-GAKked, it seems to me to be fairly ominous, and is an important step towards banning non-GAK crypto altogether. I think it would be cool to combine the labelling requirement with a public relations campaign, not unlike the blue ribbon of last year. My proposal for the "no GAK" logo: a yellow star. To me, the symbolism is pointed and poignant, but on the other hand it may come dangerously close to invoking Godwin's law. If anyone else has any ideas for a logo that would get the point across equally well but be a little less controversial, I'd like to hear them. Raph P.S. My work on distributed key publication for the Internet is progressing very well. I'll give an update at the next bay area meeting, and there will be some UC Berkeley tech reports soon too. If my ideas fly, they will make Key Recovery Agents moot for a lot of people.

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Value Added Marketspace Model -- The Paper
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: "R. Jason Cronk" <list-manager(a)purple.reddesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:58:01 +0000 From: "R. Jason Cronk" <list-manager(a)purple.reddesign.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Value Added Marketspace Model -- The Paper I've put my never to be finished paper on the value added marketspace model, which I briefly described at FC97, on the WEB at http://purple.reddesign.com/vam.html . It is rough, but so were the roads in Anguilla. R. Jason Cronk rjasonc(a)pobox.com ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd - Commerce Solutions in the UK Visit <http://www.intertrader.com/> for details ... Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! See <http://www.shipwright.com/rah.html> Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, see <http://www.shipwright.com/rah/> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Hettinga rants in Cleveland at 3PM on WERE
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin Miller, a talk show host in Cleveland, is going to have me on his local radio show at 3PM EST today to talk about e$, geodesic markets/societies, strong crypto, digital bearer securities, and anything else I can dream up. :-). For those of you in Cleveland, the radio station is WERE, and I don't know whether it's AM or FM. Evidently, he also has a national radio show, with a simulcast (? could be a tape to realaudio thing, though) on the net. I'm going to be on *that*, also live, at 8PM tomorrow night. More details as I know them. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Analysis of proposed UK ban on use of non-escrowed crypto
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A. Padgett Peterson P.E. Information Security wrote: > > Personally think these proposals are "fliers", things so bad that the > radicals will get hung up on elements the gov could really care less about. > Tricky part is to pick out what complies with the *real* agenda. Sounds like you got caught 'bending over' in the past, and learned from the experience. How about a law that requires all politicians to speak through an interpreter? Say, Howard Stern? (Only because Lenny Bruce is dead.) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Spam a *GOOD* thing for remailers?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> writes: > I know there has been much talk on how to limit the use of remailers by > spamers. I wonder if this is the correct approach to take on this. > > Spam could provide the perfect "cover" for anonymous messages. If you have > a SPAM mailer pumping out 500,000 messages a day one could hide 10-20,000 > anonymous messages without anyone ever noticing. > > I just don't see how SPAM is ever going to be stoped, too much $$$ > involved. I do think that we can take advantage of the SPAM. Using $$$ from > the spamers we could set up a world wide remailer network. In addition to > this the volume of spam going through these remailers would provide the > perfect cover for anonymous messages. I think if properly set-up it would > make traffic analysis next to impossible. > > Also by working with the spamers we could modify some of their behaviors. > An example would be on certian remailers would allow spam. Other remailers > would be "off-limits" to the spamers though we would syphon off a % of the > traffic from the spam remailer and run them through the non-spam remailers > to be used as cover for the non-spam messages. We would also put non-spam > messages through the spam remailers. > > With this approach I can see us having 1,000's of remailers rather than the > 10 or 20 that are currently running now. I defend the spammer's freedom to spam because spam is speech. Technology solutions to make is easier for the weak-minded to ignore spam and not to be bothered by it would be cool. Hopefully when I finish the spambot, it'll change the face of Usenet forever. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Hettinga rants Nationally at 8PM on the Talk America Radio Network
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin Miller, the same talk show host from Cleveland that I talked to yesterday afternoon, is going to have me reprise yesterday's Cleveland rant about e$, geodesic markets/societies, strong crypto, etc., on his First Opinion radio show, at 8PM EST tonight, on the Talk America Radio Network. Talk America's site is http://www.talkamerica.com, and it has an affiliate station list (they're pretty much everywhere, but you have to look for them) and program schedules for their two networks. I seem to be on Talk America Network 1, which puts me in the company of such august luminaries as Col. Bo Gritz. :-). I can see Vinnie grinning now, in his official capacity as my Samoan Attorney. :-). Talk America also seems to have an internet audio feed, but it uses a non-RealAudio package called Xing. YMMV. Finally, the call-in line during the show is 1-800-298-8255. I encourage cypherpunks to call in, identify themselves as such, and straighten folks out about the latest Clintonista crypto KRA outrage. Though, yesterday, I core-dumped so much stuff that we got a total of 2 calls in edgewise. :-). It was ever thus, it seems... This one hour show makes me 45 minutes overdrawn on my Warholian 15 minute fame allocation. Hope I can make the best of it. Also, it may get worse. I committed on the air yesterday to come back once a month or so, at least to Cleveland, and maybe nationally. The ganglia twitch. As they say, stay tuned... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Raid on Jim Bell story may actually be real....
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke with Jim Bell last night at his home in Vancouver, WA, and he confirmed the story. He has not been arrested but his equipment has been confiscated. No e-mail possible until he gets access to other machinery. He says he's surprised that it has taken so long for Sam to respond. He can be reached at 1-360-696-3911 Now this assumes that the person I spoke to is Jim Bell and not the USG in AP clothing, and that the entire AP gambit is not a sting.

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Re: FC 97 and www.offshore.com.ai offline
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:46 PM 4/2/97 +0000, Jim Burnes wrote: >Has anyone been able to reach www.offshore.com.ai for the last >several weeks. I've been trying to follow up with some email to >Vince about getting my fellow FC '97 attendees' email addresses, but to >no avail. > >If anyone on the list was at the conference, or has such a list I >would appreciate it. You may want to ask Hirschfeld, the conference chair. >BTW: hi to lucky green, eric blossom, vince and everyone that made FC >97 a wild adventure. Hi back :-) It was fun, wasn't it? -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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