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DES w/ variable S-boxes
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there any implementations of DES-variants that use variable S-boxes? I've not seen any, and it seems to me that such an algorithm could be quite strong, considering the continuing strength of DES (i.e., only the rich or large gov'ts are likely to be able to break it today, and only by brute force). If not, is there likely to be enough demand that I should start coding? b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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Re: NYT Article about Clipper (fwd)
by tabe＠newsdesk.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl (3133+ |>00|>) writes: > >- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.3a > >iQCVAgUBLe4igxVg/9j67wWxAQGV3AP7BYrXK/G1YKwwCwzgjSsMDXaDiG6s8oY9 >jCKKOGNKNX5X5EhpuzrdNDOEEjGTEvQEONZR9scc77Fx1ZSaR629QlykRIzAY3WA >hd1mbgYcfwznY/oAPgoLkTWamMSpuyYK1fIPU/RMVh4RQypfcbUzcZDf42Ho25tI >WL1l1isAFio= >=aID9 >- -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >== kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl: Cryptoanarchy, MDMA, Tekkkno, SL-1200 == > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.5 > >iQBVAgUBLe/1fpRymF15lPcFAQHLrwIAmu78WNJkjMfRgxECOtkcU+AhpU3wpSI/ >mkfarK1DtOBbdw9P6y3VkuO8HmIcYhU6NBVxLCVRNnS7GKH5gf3uVQ== >=k7c1 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Very interesting (again

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Cypherpunks on WWW
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

V.> V.>As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with V.>"lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail V.>database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for V.>this V.>to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) V.> I've been trying to get this to work for weeks with Mosaic for Windows (the latest Alpha version). I don't get it to display as an .html document. I see it as an ordinary text file just like I used to with Lynx. I wonder why? DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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WWW Acronyms (was Re: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist)
by Vincent.Cate＠FURMINT.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Jeffers: > Vincent, you state that a fully archived, indexed cypherpunks >mailing list exists as: >http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks/cypherpunks.src >Ok, so I ftp'ed to pmip.maricopa.edu & tried to get to cypherpunks.src, >but even the subdirectories weren't there. The "http" is for "Hyper-Text Transport Protocol". This is not FTP, though it is a protocol similar in function to FTP. It is used by "WWW" (World Wide Web) of which Mosaic is the most popular implementation. If you have Mosaic, you can just give the above path. If you do not have mosaic, you should spend some time trying to get it. Mosaic makes it really easy to quickly move through lots of information on the net. Mosaic is a point and click hypertext interface. You can FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu and go into Mosaic. You also have a typo, it is "Cypherpunks.src" with a capital C. WWW has a simple language for writting your own hypertext documents - "HTML" (Hyper Text Markup Language). You can think of this as sort of like Troff, LaTeX or Postscript, but for hypertext documents. One page of HTML can make dozens of normal files easy to access. For example, my README.html security page points to many normal files: ftp://furmint.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/security/README.html It turns out that the mail database is really in "WAIS" (Wide Area Information Server). You can use WAIS directly, though I think it is easier to use through mosaic. To use WAIS you would do: ws -h pmip.maricopa.edu -d cpindex/Cypherpunks <keyword> The "ws" may be "waissearch" on your system. You can get lots of info on WAIS from ftp://wais.think.com/comp.infosystems.wais-FAQ As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with "lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for this to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) This form of global filename starting with something like "ftp://", "http://", "gopher://" etc is also part of the WWW architecture. These names are called "URLs" for Universal Resource Locator. Well, that is probably enough acronyms for today. :-) -- Vince PS I only read cypherpunks once a day, some time after midnight when my collection for the day is done.

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Deja vu...
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:53:36 +0500 > From: vikram!bchappe%sunoco(a)relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brett Chappell) > >In the June 6 issue of the New Yorker is an interesting story by > >John Seabrook (who did the email interview with Bill Gates) about > >getting flamed and how violated and uspset it made him. Lots of not > > [Waco in cyberspace etc] Deja vu, anyone? Maybe Brett didn't see this and the long thread that followed it on this list. Maybe whoever it was who posted a second copy of the latest EFFector hadn't caught it the first time. Since I, and probably most of us, subscribe to EFFector, this was the _third_ copy that appeared in two days. This sort of thing keeps happening. Now I'm not complaining ;) and would be the last to want some centralized distribution of such material. But since Stanton posts everything from the EFF anyway, why don't we leave it to him? Ideally we'd have one poster for each of these publications (EFF, CPSR, WIRED...) Another thing: when I archive posts or forward them elsewhere, I keep the Subject, From, To, Cc, and Date lines in the header intact. That way, when a cpunk post migrates to alt.abuse.recovery, no one will repost it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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NIST DES source
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim(a)bilbo.suite.com (Jim Miller): > I wonder if [NIST will] ship [hard copies of DES source code] to an address > outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail > the stuff even look at it? Doesn't really matter, does it? Printed source code is available in hundreds of places, and doesn't require a CJR for export. Schneier's _book_ never had trouble; just the disk. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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Re: Cpunks mail database
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sglass(a)netcom.com (Sheldon Glass): > Subject: C'punks mail database > I've used lynx to connect to PMIP to see the c'punx list like: > lynx http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks Thats /crypt/cypherpunks/Cypherpunks.src, and it's a WAIS searchable archive, with what appears to be a huge index. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: Larry King show
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:24:33 +0500 >From: bchappe%sunoco(a)relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brett Chappell) > >Gore said something like, "There are people out there who think >that it's o.k. to do away with the FBI's ability to tap the >communications of terrorists & drug lords." ~~~~~ They must be moving up. They used to be just king-pins. tw

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nsa museum
by Dan Harmon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems that NSA now has a museum outside DC. It even has an Enigma on display. For more info seem today's Wall Street Journal. Dan Harmon

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Cpunks archive works with lynx
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vincent.Cate(a)FURMINT.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU: > As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with > "lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail > database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for this > to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) Though I prefer Mosaic, this one worked when I tried it with lynx. You can get the latest version of lynx at ftp://ftp.cc.ukans.edu/pub/lynx/ (maybe it's ftp2.cc...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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