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Re: Let's *NOT* "Raise their Awareness"
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 11:25 PM 03/25/96 -0800, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: > >I try to avoid "me too" echoes, but this is worth concurring with, strongly. > >Nothing good can come out of "raising awareness," especially of an issue >where the Consitution is already pretty clearly on the side of the right to >speak in whatever language one chooses, to keep diaries in code if one >wishes, to whisper to others, to place curtains on windows, to lock doors, >and so on. (I suppose Jim Bell will point out that the Constitution >contains no explicit language about placement of curtains....) Regrettably, I must disagree with Mr. May on the matter of speaking in whatever language one chooses. It seems that here in Texas (specifically, here in Amarillo), a local judge informed a Hispanic family that they were prohibited from speaking _only_ Spanish to their child at home. The rationale was that since English is the (ostensibly, in this area) Public Language of the school system here, failure to encourage use of English would adversely impact the child's education, and was thus a form of child abuse. If need be, I can provide excerpts from the local snoozepapers coverage of the issue. *sigh* One Freedom at a time...... Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVbp7cVrTvyYOzAZAQHuTwP8DbhSO4PuMKl8/W/pNHCc2UsRCLSCADW3 JV5wJqh0H+z959tGx6zcB+WTjHSXMz/ZKsQFxGnJ40fKDj4YXOclRZraqgVPngHh nrBzPNs0eZMJujecIE9v+JHJdIGmLKlkH9XQgmA4eqUF0ivGz9yLD4aVVyOjew45 f/okXaXbjeA= =UUyW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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Re: DESCRIBE
by kermie＠paonline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Take me off of the God Forbidden list already! Now!

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Call for Papers: Internet Privacy and Security
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry if this has been on here before. -Allen From: Phil Agre <pagre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 12:09:20 PST From: RISKS List Owner <risko(a)csl.sri.com> Subject: RISKS DIGEST 17.91 RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Tuesday 19 March 1996 Volume 17 : Issue 91 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:17:23 -0500 From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." <reagle(a)mit.edu> Subject: Internet Privacy and Security, Call for Papers CALL FOR PAPERS INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY WORKSHOP Haystack Observatory, MA May 20-21, 1996 Privacy and Security Working Group Federal Networking Council Research Program on Communications Policy Center for Technology, Policy, and Industrial Development Massachusetts Institute of Technology INVITATION The Privacy and Security Working Group (PSWG) of the Federal Networking Council (FNC) and the Research Program on Communications Policy of the Center for Technology, Policy, and Industrial Development at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology will hold an invitational workshop at the Haystack Observatory outside of Boston, MA, on May 20-21, 1996. This workshop is intended to bring Federal, academic and private sector participants together in collaboration to develop strategies and potential solutions related to Internet privacy and security. Though a principal focus of the workshop will be on the Federal portion of the Internet, the FNC recognizes that the Federal Internet is tightly coupled with the Global Internet, whose security policies, practices, and goals are complementary to those of the Federal Government. To define those practices, procedures and goals, the PSWG has undertaken two major initiatives: - The Federal Internet Security Plan (FISP), which was developed as a scalable, continual improvement process, based on common principles and mechanisms compatible with Internet community values and needs; and - The Collaborations in Internet Security (CIS) project, an effort aimed at testing the strength of agency approaches to security and moving these technologies beyond individual agency networking environments and into both inter-agency and agency-commercial sector communications. The CIS will result in the development of a new and sustainable process for developing, integrating, and deploying security technologies that are interoperable at all levels of the Federal government and within the commercial and academic sectors. These initiatives are intended to highlight the critical interface between Federal and commercial users and developers of Internet services and technologies. OBJECTIVES This workshop will bring together principal players in the Federal and overall Internet community to discuss the problems and challenges of privacy and security on the Internet, and will: - Identify critical issues, requirements, and recommendations related to future Internet privacy and security research and development efforts; - Describe "best practice" approaches to Internet privacy and security; - Develop specific strategies for implementing Internet Security programs involving all sectors of the Internet community; - Extend the Federal Internet Security Plan (FISP) by defining specific implementations; and finally, - Develop specific strategies for the migration of technologies from the individual RFC unit test stage to the integration of a complete functional managed system in the CIS test/demonstration/pilot projects. SUBMISSIONS Abstracts or complete paper drafts related to the topics listed above are welcome. Accepted papers will be a part of the published record of the workshop. All points of view on Federal policies affecting Internet privacy and security are welcome. Please make all electronic submissions in ASCII format. For further information or to submit an abstract or paper contact: Internet Security and Privacy Workshop c/o Joseph Reagle Research Program on Communications Policy Massachusetts Institute of Technology One Amherst St. (E40-218) Cambridge, MA 02139 Voice: (617) 253-4138. Fax: (617) 253-7326 papers(a)rpcp.mit.edu SCHEDULE and DEADLINES Call for papers - March 14, 1996 Abstracts Due - April 14, 1996 Invitations to Participants - April 20, 1996 Revised/Completed papers due - May 19, 1996 Workshop - May 20-21, 1996 PARTICIPANTS Participation in the workshop is by invitation, based primarily on submitted papers and abstracts. Additional individuals may be invited to ensure that participation reflects a broad cross-section of the Internet community. PROGRAM COMMITTEE Dennis Branstad - Trusted Information Systems (TIS) Rich Pethia - Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) Jeffrey Schiller - Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Richard Solomon - Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Rick Stevens - Department of Energy /Argonne National Labs (DOE) STEERING COMMITTEE Stephen Squires, DARPA (FNC/PSWG Co-Chair) Dennis Steinauer, NIST (FNC/PSWG Co-Chair) Tice DeYoung, NASA Phillip Dykstra, Army Research Laboratory (ARL) Mike Green, NSA George Seweryniak, Department of Energy (DOE) Walter Wiebe, Federal Networking Council (FNC) BACKGROUND Federal Internet Security Plan: In September 1995, the PSWG published the draft Federal Internet Security Plan (FISP). The FISP is oriented toward a scalable, continual improvement process, based on common principles and mechanisms compatible with Internet community values and needs. See <http://www.fnc.gov/SWG.html>. The plan addresses Internet security requirements, including interoperability, from the perspective of the goals and objectives outlined in the National Performance Review (NPR), http://www.npr.gov/. The Federal Networking Council developed this framework in conjunction with its Advisory Committee which represents industry, academia, and non-profit sectors. Action Items, from the FISP, to be addressed during the Workshop: Internet Security Policy and Policy Support Activities * Establish overall Internet security policies * Address security in all Federally supported NII pilots * Coordinate Internet community involvement * Establish an ongoing Internet threat database and assessment capability * Identify legal and law enforcement issues Internet Security and Technology Development * Develop an Internet security maturity model * Develop Internet security architecture * Enhance Internet security services and protocols * Develop a "Secure-Out-of-the-Box" endorsement * Enhance application security Internet Security Infrastructure * Establish a set of Internet security interoperability testbeds * Support privacy, authentication, certificate, and security services pilots * Establish Internet security testing and evaluation capabilities * Improve security incident handling capabilities * Develop security self-assessment capabilities * Establish effective secure software and document distribution mechanisms Education and Awareness * Compile Internet user and site profiles * Encourage use of available security technologies * Establish an Internet security information server * Establish an Internet security symposium/workshop series * Establish an Internet security fellowship program Collaborations in Internet Security: With the Federal government's ever-increasing dependency on computers and distributed systems, there is great urgency for it to develop and employ enhanced information system security technologies and practices. At the same time, these Federal technologies must interoperate with those of the broader Internet community (encompassing the private and academic sectors, along with the Federal sector). In recognition of these needs, the Federal Networking Council's Privacy & Security Working Group (FNC/PSWG) has been awarded a National Performance Review (NPR) Innovation Fund grant to compare and validate agency approaches to security. This Collaborations in Internet Security (CIS) project aims to test the strength of these technologies beyond individual agency networking environments, emphasizing the inter-agency and agency-commercial sector communications. The CIS will result in the development of a new and sustainable process for developing, integrating, and deploying security technology that is interoperable at all levels of the Federal Government and within the commercial and academic sectors. The governing principles behind the Security Testbeds include: employment of an open process (with the activities and results open to participation and comment by both public and private sector participants); a focus on multivendor technologies; an emphasis on testing and experimentally deploying security technologies emerging from research and private sectors as well as security technologies currently in use in the commercial environment; and an underlying objective to ensure interoperability among the broad Internet community (federal, private, and academic). Initial tests will include demonstrations of Kerberos v.5, testing of single-use passwords, and digital signatures. For more information, please see (http://www.fnc.gov/cis_page.html)

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Crypto CD UpDate
by aba＠atlas.ex.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The idea of putting together a CD with crypto stuff is an excellent IDEA, and one which I very much welcome. However a question .. are you (Ben) located in the US? If so... that rules out overseas buyers unless you fancy messing with ITAR... Is it possible that you could come to some arrangement with some one outside the ITAR fence who has a CD writer (any one reading have one?) put together the same CD for those outside the US? Adam

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Re: Pepsi World - Gotta Have It!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:14 AM 3/26/96 -0800, geeman(a)best.com wrote: >hoax, I presume? Not a hoax. On occasion people signup on various web sites requiring a username and password with this list name as the e-mail contact and the user ID and password as "cypherpunk". Because of that, occasionally spam from such accounts shows up here, adding to the noise level. I find it annoying, but I just filter it and go on with my life. --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon

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Original Sources for Echelon
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Campbell has posted the message below on Echelon. Would anyone happen to have a copy of the 1988 New Statesman article? If not, I'll dig it out of a library. More importantly, as Duncan asks, does anyone know of other original info on Echelon? ---------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:35:59 To: ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk From: Duncan Campbell <duncan(a)gn.apc.org> Subject: Original sources regarding the ECHELON sigint network >>The New York times has recently run a story regarding a "telecommunications >>interception network" operating in Europe. >>My recollection is that news broke about this some time last year, thanks >>to revelations in New Zealand. Sorry, I don't have a good reference to >> hand. The original and primary source for information on ECHELON is an article I wrote in New Statesman magazine ten years ago : NS, 12 August 1988 : "They've got it taped". In 1991, a UK World in Action programme added an important new detail about the network, namely the presence of a DICTIONARY computer (a key part of the system) at GCHQ's processing centre in Westminster. In 1993, I produced a documentary for Channel 4 - "The Hill" which related ECHELON to the work of the Menwith Hill NSA field station near Harrogate in Yorkshire. In 1996, Nicky Hager in New Zealand described in his book "Secret Power" the presence of DICTIONARY computers at two New Zealand sigint stations, and gave extensive details of the local programming and tasking of the ECHELON "dictionaries". Apart from these sources, so far as I am aware all the reports that are around are derivative and reprocessed. The European Parliament STOA committee report from the "Omega Foundation" is in this category and was in fact submitted rather more than a year ago. If anyone is aware of any other *original* publication on this topic, could they post it. The arrival in the public domain of original information in this area is a rarity, yet is the foundation for the only things we "know" about the scale of NSA/GCHQ surveillance and processing. Duncan Campbell

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Beste Megan
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Let's *NOT* "Raise their Awareness"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:52 PM 3/25/96, David K. Merriman wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >At 11:25 PM 03/25/96 -0800, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >> >>I try to avoid "me too" echoes, but this is worth concurring with, strongly. >> >>Nothing good can come out of "raising awareness," especially of an issue >>where the Consitution is already pretty clearly on the side of the right to >>speak in whatever language one chooses, to keep diaries in code if one >>wishes, to whisper to others, to place curtains on windows, to lock doors, >>and so on. (I suppose Jim Bell will point out that the Constitution >>contains no explicit language about placement of curtains....) > >Regrettably, I must disagree with Mr. May on the matter of speaking in >whatever language one chooses. It seems that here in Texas (specifically, >here in Amarillo), a local judge informed a Hispanic family that they were >prohibited from speaking _only_ Spanish to their child at home. The >rationale was that since English is the (ostensibly, in this area) Public >Language of the school system here, failure to encourage use of English >would adversely impact the child's education, and was thus a form of child >abuse. If need be, I can provide excerpts from the local snoozepapers >coverage of the issue. Right, and I've cited this "family law" case recently here in Cyphepunks as an example of an aberrant, unconstitutional law (family law has a lot of such things...it may come from the hard-to-untangle situation of a family). I don't take specific statutes or interpretations, such as this example, as being the same as what the Constitution says. Though it may come to the point where what's in the Constitution is buried under a blizzard of such exceptions and special cases. In any case, I think the First Amendment is a better protection of cryptographic rights than is some putative (and arguably nonexistent) "right to privacy." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: Noise Sphere in Java
by Chuck McManis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to the post in C++ we now have a version of the Noise Sphere program in Java. You can see it at: http://www.golfweb.com/cmcmanis/noise.html The source is online as well. It currently plots the randomness of the java.util.Random class. Modification for other classes that generate random data should be easy, as long as the class has a method nextInt() which returns a new random number. Other hacks are possible, feel free to hack away at your leisure. --Chuck McManis cmcmanis(a)golfweb.com

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Fwd: Thoughts
by Perrin . 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not So Deep Thoughts Should vegetarians eat animal crackers? If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. The pen is mightier than the sword -- if the sword is very small and the pen is real sharp. If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter? Call me insane one more time and I'll eat your other eye! I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? The two biggest problems in America are making ends meet and making meetings end. Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out? The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished. Money isn't everything, but at least it encourages relatives to stay in touch. If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, does it make a sound? A single fact can spoil a good argument. Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional. I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to. Why do we sing "Take me out to the ball game" when we're already there? ---------------- fixed by Perrin pleontks(a)hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~pleontks http://www.angelfire.com/az/69frank69 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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