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Re: art-stego
by Rick Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a related vein, consider the work of a Minnesota folk hero from the last century named Ignatius Donneley. Aside from trying to start a Utopian community just north or our town, he wrote a book "proving" that Shakespeare was really Francis Bacon. His proof was based on "decrypting" hints in messages hidden in Shakespeare's writings. Donneley also wrote a book on Atlantis (available from Dover) and another postulating that a huge comet caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. A crackpot, eh? Rick. smith(a)sctc.com secure computing corporation

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Re: Looking for code to run an encrypted mailing list
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote : >> >> Poster crypts mail with pgp using list exploder key. List exploder decrypts >> mail and recrypts with keys for all current list members and then sends the >> mail. >> >> [I don't want all the list members to need to know every other list members >> public key] > At 09:24 PM 3/4/96 -0800, Alan Bostick replied: >Is this the right way to go about doing this? > >If the mailing list has N members, then, for each message posted to the >list, the list processor must decrypt the message and then reencrypt it >N times. > Hmm thats not what I meant - I just envisioned giving all the recipient public keys to pgp and saying letting it do the rest. This does result in all recipients gettingthe key fingerprints of all other recipients which is not a problem in my application. Alan goes on to suggest sumthing very similar except that he does not decrypt the body first - which apart from meaning I'd have to hack pgp acheives the same effect. The overal intent was to have a message go from one list member to all others with a) a signature to provide strong attribution and a measure of non repudiation b) low probability of interception c) only the gateway has to have all the public keys. Inbound the process looks like this: decrypt and validate signature (leaving original signature) add gateway info (sender signature validation, date received etc) sign the whole thing with the gateway key. crypt with all list member keys (i.e. one message readable by any member) send to members. Several people have pointed me at PGPdomo which I now have a copy of and will be looking at as a basic for this (assuming it's not an exact fit already).\ [thanks to all those who responded] John -- John Pettitt email: jpettitt(a)well.sf.ca.us (home) jpp(a)software.net (work)

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by NSA Spook 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Spook is back! Hello everyone! The Spook is back! mixmaster(a)spook.alias.net is now functional again with bothe Type-I and Type-II remailers. The Type-II remailer supports news posting via mail2news(a)myriad.alias.net. The PGP Type-I key is the same as the old spook. The Mixmaster key however, is new. 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Re: No Subject
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mar 08, 1996 02:28:22, 'JonWienke(a)aol.com' wrote: >d 96-03-07 20:19:12 EST, you write: > >>Because the drive is portable. You can place an easily concealled two-pound >>135 Mb drive in a briefcase or backpack and have a travelling MixMaster >>site. Here today, there tomorrow, someplace else the next day. Makes the >>whole system a real problem for the security types to track down. >> > >Why not just put an IDE/SCSI EZ drive in a Pentium laptop with an ISDN or >28.8K modem? That would be the ultimate in portability; you could still hide >the whole thing, or remove the cartridge and destroy it fairly quickly if >necessary. That would give you the best of all worlds. > Indeed this would be a technologically superior system. The system I'm thinking of, however, has a capital startup cost of under $250. >However, no matter where you are physically located, you have to have an >account with somebody somewhere to get Internet access. If the gov't wants >you out of business, they can cancel your ISP account or revoke your domain >name and shut you down that way. I suppose it would be harder for them to >prosecute you if they didn't know where you were, though... > I am not entirely sure how the whole domian name etc. issue will be handled as numbered accounts fill up. I am also discussing with friends the idea of the no-domain-name style, similar to penet.fi with various forms of REQUEST REMAILING TO.... In other words, this or that person acts as a (perhaps temporary) remailer from their regular account, gets the material encrypted, and massages it in various ways before sending it out. The point is to increase entropy by creating the technological base for an enormous proliferation of remailer/anon tech at the lowest possible price. Internationally know "elite" (in the good sense of the word) remailers are by definition known, and thus easy to monitor. Mixmaster etc sites popping up from the home computers in the rec rooms of suburbia are not. --tallpaul >Jonathan Wienke >

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Re: Assassination Politics 9!
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mar 04, 1996 14:45:02, 'jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com>' wrote: Mr. Bell, The Economist terrorism report is unusally thoughtful and open-minded, and considers the benefits of savaging innocents from the perspectives of a variety of deeply held beliefs. But after revewing the plenitude of those who have murdered for understandable motives, it does point to a very small group who truly lack any rationale for earthly comprehension. Not that I want to get on your "Shit, shoot that fucker" list, but take a look at it to double-check that you're not skydiving into the wrong maelstrom. It's pretty long, but I'll gladly scan it and send it along. If not that, read Tim's pithy warning today about shit-stormtroopers provoked by the daredeviltry of extreme-unctuous freedom fighters.

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Re: Assassination Politics 9!
by tbyfield＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:45 PM 3/4/96, babybell@pacifier wrote: >Most traditional "terrorism" (as least "traditional," by the standards of >the last 20 years) is thought to involve relatively unfocussed attacks >against people and locations, but in situations where attacks against >selected government officials would be far more selective and effective. <...> >Since I propose exactly that kind of replacement, I am presumably not the >most ingratiating figure to these people. Now I understand why you seemed to be "not the most ingratiating figure"--you must've nominated me for assassination. oooo$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ "$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ "$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ ** $$$$$$$$$ ** $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """$$$ "$$$""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$ o$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" "$$$$$$oooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$"$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""" """" $$$$ "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" o$$$ "$$$o """$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"$$" $$$ $$$o "$$""$$$$"""" o$$$ $$$$o oo o$$$" "$$$$o o$$$$$$o"$$$$o o$$$$ "$$$$$oo ""$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"" ""$$$$oooo "$$$o$$$$$ $$$""" ""$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$ """$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$

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test ignore
by uunet!in2.uu.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.genie.net!usenet＠warwick.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

able the workers to protect their immediate interests against the employers. In addition to organizing industrially, the workers will need a political party to spread the idea of social ownership, and to gain the supprt of the majority at the polls. When this is achieved, the workers will assume control of their workplaces, and manage them democratically through their New Unions. An elected Congress of delegates from each industry will plan and manage the national economy, and will replace the present political Congress as the nation's government. New Unionist 621 W. Lake St., Suite 210 Minneapolis, MN 55408 nup(a)delphi.com

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FYI!!!! - NETA to buy TIS
by Steve Orrin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hot off the Press: http://biz.yahoo.com/snp/980223/tisx_dtp_m_1.html Monday February 23, 10:21 am Eastern Time Trusted Information Systems to Be Acquired by Network Associates TRUSTED INFORMATION SYSTEMS INC. Signs Definitive Agreement to Be Acquired by Network Associates Inc. Feb. 23, 1998, Network Associates Inc. (Nasdaq:NETA - news) and Trusted Information Systems Inc. (Nasdaq:TISX - news) said they signed a definitive agreement under which NETA will acquire TISX in a transaction valued at over $300,000,000. Each TISX share will be exchanged for 0.323 of a NETA share. Subject to approval by TISX stockholders, among other conditions, the transaction is expected to close within about 90 days. A Picture Tells A Thousand Words. STEGO

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Re: Is spam really a problem? (fwd)
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >It eats up your valuable time. You might not see it for what it is, but > >it is an interruption of normal service. It's annoying as having your > >pager go off durring sex and having to call back your boss instead of > >ignoring it. (Presume you can't shut off your pager.) It takes away > >from the continuity of life. > > You can't even come up with a valid analogy. Any > pager I've ever carried could be put in silent mode. > With email, you decide when to check it, and if you > have two brain cells to rub together you can identify > and kill spam reliably on just the Subject and Sender > data, without reading it. To reiterate, it takes me > less time to manually kill spam than to trash the junk > in my snail mail. Spam is simply Not A Big Problem, and > much less an irritation than telemarketer calls. > Asside from this, when everyone finally figures out how to MIME encrypt images, movies, sounds, etc. into their E-Mails, the net will become a sespool of junk mail w/ 16-bit images that only really use 16 colors, constantly flowng to and fro in a broth. Try to go to world-famous sites? Ha! Spam is there, too. The net can only handle so much, and spam by tradition isn't high on the list. > What do you propose? > > >Have every sendmail server use a PK scheme to talk to every other > >server and authenticate the connection. Have every sendmail server accept > >mail only from those whose key is verified. > > Oh boy. Mandatory signing, with registered keys. Great. Why not > also require people to have their SSN's tattooed on the inside of > their forearms? That way, if some one is so foolish as to say > something you didn't want to hear, you'll know > who to sue 'for the theft of your valuable time'. When this happens, two problems arise: (1) people (not to forget Gov) will have a reason to break singing codes (2) confidence in the system will make signing fraud a very happy-day bussiness. I would suggest, we all send a bit of spam out, 'accidentally' freeze the net and show people what can happen. Asside from this personality change, little can be done to keep people from sending spam (or, for that matter, pesonal letters). -Brandon Crosby

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Re: Diffie-Hellman for Matchmaking?
by Dimitris Tsapakidis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, I am reposting this, with more detail this time. Hope this answers the two questions I received. I want to design/find some matchmaking protocols. I define matchmaking as follows: Bob must find out whether Alice has declared (commited) her interest in him, if and only if he has declared (commited) his interest in her. Before he does so, he can at most know that a girl is interested in him. Another description: Bob and Alice can have a date if they both commit to each other. If only one commits, nobody will ever find out about it. Below are the protocols I came up with. They all depend on the Diffie-Hellman "common key" as derived in the DH key exchange. - T is the trusted third party. - hash_k() is a keyed hash function with key k. - pseudo(Alice) is a pseudonym for Alice. - n is a large prime. - g is a primitive element mod n. - A is Alice's secret exponent. Her public key would be g^A mod n. - Alice's and Bob's "common key" would be g^(AB)mod n ---- 1. The mediated off-line one: - T selects a secret k (which he uses for the duration of a month, say). - Alice is interested in Bob, so she calculates a=g^(AB)mod n and anonymously and securely sends it to T along with pseudo(Alice). - T calculates c=hash_k(a) and broadcasts c and pseudo(A) to the planet or puts them on a bulletin board. - Bob is ignorant of Alice's actions. If he ever decides that he likes her, he calculates and sends a=g^(AB)mod n to T (plus pseudo(Bob)). T will calculate hash_k(a) which equals c. T broadcasts c plus pseudo(B) so both Alice and Bob will know they have a match. If Bob is not actually interested in Alice, he doesn't perform this step at all, so nothing happens, and Alice just assumes Bob is not interested. Replay is not an issue here. 2. The mediated on-line one: - Alice is interested in Bob, so she calculates a=g^(AB)mod n and ANONYMOUSLY approaches Bob. - Bob calculates b=g^(BX)mod n, where X may or may not be Alice. If Bob is not interested in anyone, he could tell Alice to leave, or select a random X while calculating b. - Alice and Bob want to compare a and b. They generate a random k using some coin-flipping protocol. Then they send (possibly pseudonymously) hash_k(a) and hash_k(b) to T who compares them and announces the result. Using a keyed hash function reduces the trust on T, compared to protocol (1), I hope. Now, T has to conspire with one of the parties to get the "common key". I suspect this can be improved using the Digital Envelopes protocol as described by Fagin, Naor and Winkler in "Comparing information without leaking it" to replace the hashing. 3. Non-mediated on-line one: This third protocol would remove T in (2). Alice and Bob would compare their "common keys" directly. The problem here is fairness i.e. to ensure nobody finds the result of the comparison first. If this was possible, people could "probe" other people's interests and terminate the protocol as soon as they find the answer (i.e. the result of the "common key" comparison). I think ZK protocols would be of use here. I am still working on this one. ---- Assume that in any of these protocols Alice calculates her "common key" with X: a=g^(AX)mod n which means that she is interested in X. The reason a must remain sercet is that if X learns it, he could calculate all possible b(Y)=g^(YX)mod n until he finds a Y such that b(Y)=a, in which case he will find out Alice is interested in him. Note that X will not try all possible values for Y, but will use the public keys of all the girls, instead. I would appreciate any comments on these protocols and on the use of DH "common key". Dimitris -- Dimitris Tsapakidis PGP keyID: 735590D5 dimitrt(a)dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk MSc in Information Security, This space reserved Royal Holloway, University of London for future use. Origin: Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Hellas

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