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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by Colin Rafferty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lizard writes: > At 12:55 PM 12/23/97 -0500, Colin Rafferty wrote: >> Freedom of expression is not the same as freedom of oppression. > How is someone 'oppressed' by my choosing not to deal with him for some > reasons, but not for other reasons? Either way, he does not get my services. > I refuse to hire you because you are black -- you are oppressed. > I refuse to hire you because you're an Aquarius and my astrologer told me > not to hire Aquarians -- you are not oppressed. > I refuse to hire you because you're a Republican and I'm a Democrat, and I > don't think we'll work well together -- you are not oppressed. > But in all cases, you are not hired. > Explain the logic of this to me. The logic is about patterns of discrimination of society and the State acting as a social engineer to remove the patterns. It is about basic human decency, and giving a person a fighting chance. If society, in general, discriminated against people with freckles, it is likely that it would be made illegal. > (Yes, it is perfectly legal to not hire someone based on star sign, > political affiliation, or having freckles.) > No human being has a right to compel service from another human being. No majority group has a right to discriminate against a minority. You prove that you know The Truth, and I'll prove that I know The Truth. > If I > do not wish to engage in trade with you, that's my right. Would you be less > oppressed if I just closed up shop and refused to trade with ANYONE? Oppression is done by a society. It can only be stopped by acting against the individuals in the society that are doing the oppressing. > The issue here is not expression, but association. That's a good point. However, the alternate doesn't have the same rhythm: Freedom of association is not the same as freedom of oppression. -- Colin

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Re: Hate speech and censorship
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > Yes, those on the list a few months ago (around the time the list moved > > > > from cocksucker John Gilmores toad.com to the distributed list format) > > > > will remember censorous arab Sameer Parekh for sending abusive mail > > > > threatening legal action to those who criticised the security of his > > > > companies "stronghold" firewall, which I among others suspect to contain > > > > govt. backdoors, uneducated and foolish arabs such as Parekh should stick > > > > to what they do best: running kebab shops and/or selling cheap fake rolex > > > > watches to tourists. > > > > > > Sameer parekh sounds like he lives by the Arab proverb: "Women for sons, > > > boys for pleasure, but a camel for sheer extasy". > > > > I guess I am missing something, but what is so good about camels? > > I don't know - you'd have to ask Sameer Parekh. Does he keep one in his > C2Net office, and is it a male or a female camel? Yes, Sameer Parekh does keep a Bactrian camel in his C2Net office. The camel is male. Sameer uses his oral and anal orifices to play the part of a female camel. +-----#--+ | O # | | |#__O | |._#_> \ | +-#------+ Stop AIDS!

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Re: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N]
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Johnson, Michael P (Mike) <JohnsMP(a)LOUISVILLE.STORTEK.COM> > To: 'coderpunks(a)toad.com'; 'cypherpunks(a)algebra.com'; 'David Honig' <honig(a)otc.net> > Subject: RE: Question on CFB variant with c[i-N] > Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 12:22 PM > How about this mode: > c[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > p[i] = e(K1, e(k2, c[i-1]) ^ p[i-1]) ^ p[i] > > The feedback possibilities are literally endless. The analysis of the > effects on security, speed, error propagation, etc., are left as an > exercise for the reader. <grin> > Some standard modes have been well analyzed and accepted. They also are > built into specialized cracking hardware. Offering and using multiple > modes and multiple algorithms raises the cost of building specialized > cracking hardware. I'm kind-of skeptical of the big advantages of this. I mean, if you were convinced someone with a DES-cracking engine was listening in on an encrypted channel, and you really wanted to make sure they wouldn't manage to get any plaintext, would you rather alter your system to use some weird and not-too-well analyzed chaining mode, or alter your system to use DESX or Blowfish or something else with a key length too big to be vulnerable to such keysearch machines? There clearly *are* ways to get more than 56 bits of security out of DES. However, they're not generally obvious, and even very bright cryptographers have shot themselves in the foot trying to design them. (Remember 3DES with internal CBC-mode chaining, Ladder DES, and DES-Tran-DES-Tran-DES?) --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF

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Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12/23/97 3:52 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >As to first semi-automatic in the country, I believe the >Springfield 1903 Uhhhh ... 03 Springfield is a bolt action .... Rem Mod 8 is Browning semi-auto action essentially recoil operated with the barrel inside a sleeve surrounded by a spring whihc recoiled back with the bolt as well. The barrel spring had a stiffer constant than the bolt spring so it strated forward frist effecting the separation of bolt and reciever and stripping the round out straight up. It was designed in 1903 and first manufactured in 1905. It was, as I said, the first semi-auto marketed to the *civilian* market. There were other semi-auto's but were all military weapons. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNJ/mRT7r4fUXwraZAQFiGwf+M6v+VX3p9Bx9CnsmJYJJnjx0S/2IxxUT iVWlexWiDhxlAJMQnzXEUfoSVHQRtwkmrX+SH5qDxdBodFqBj7ctDJHp8/sBDZS+ uxqo4LNhm0XeSP64+P+sb25fJkDAZSWR2j/VcjMG7MxZ3CvGHsW5jxVuKvAAkVIg d9+0IgzENEcdyS5JuHF3fCQWSPcvo+tB4cweYFGbLXRBtAe5HojHYuBoeGnKMqAP GLjwaRzcNa4RkherYGV0Irpfdz5x+DIvgj2PRu57bPrDIKddUytGW11+eu3cXZKK Am/+dgPLlDpero9V9LB6Tg0i6oVCR/4WXyuCch8pnvVGwDLY59/8qQ== =qA6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The ultimate consequence of protecting men from the results of their own folly is to fill the world with fools." -- Herbert Spencer

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Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:08:04 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Best Cypherpunk long gun (fwd) > I can't agree that the HK 91 (the .308 version) is a popular sniper > weapon. Military and police snipers the world over differ strongly with you... Beside, it's the 93/G3 not the 91 (thought they do share a lot of commen base pieces) that is the sniper rifle. I believe you will also find that the .308 is the base caliber for all versions. Your wording above would indicate the 91 was .308 while the 93 was a different caliber, this is incorrect. Visit the H&K home page... > For sniper work, a bolt-action is by far the most popular piece. Really? Watch a few more of those silly police shows on at night. Pay particular attention to the long-term hostage episodes. I generaly see the break-in team carrying MP-5 or shortie M-16's. I have yet to see the backup or sniper team using a bolt-action. Learning base tactics is about the only thing these shows are good for. > I'm also skeptical about lasers, for daylight use. The three lasers I have > owned have been good for indoor use, but visibility outdoors during the day > is very poor. I only use them for long-range shots and it does require the scope to see the spot - the whole point really. The idea is the beam is of very low power at this point and doesn't stand out quite as bad as up close (the glowing red dot). > (IR lasers with IR night vision gear is another matter, but also another > price matter, too.) Bad news, the others guys IR/IIS will spot you in a heart-beat, never use a laser at nite, it's like tracers - they work both ways. You want to stick with a strictly 3rd generation passive IR/IIS. Remember, we're counter-sniping at this point... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Civil War Crypto Question...
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: >Myer implimented including a 'cipher disk' whereby the Union was able to >change their telegraph codes on an hourly schedule. It was apparently very >effictive in dealing with taps and such. > >Anyone know of another source that discusses this disk? Myer's code and cipher disk (with illustration) are briefly described in Fred Wrixon's "Codes and Ciphers" along with an entry on Civil War crypto with a photo of a Confederate cipher disk. We've put the entries and illustrations at: http://jya.com/cydisk.htm The book is: "Codes and Ciphers: An A to Z of Covert Communication, from the Clay Tablet to the Microdot," Fred B. Wrixon, Prentice Hall, 1992, paper. $18.00 ISBN 0-13-277047-4

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Cryptographers Do It With Protection
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpts From: None of Your Business: World Data Flows, Electronic Commerce, and the European Privacy Directive Peter P. Swire & Robert E. Litan >The Tension Between Data Protection >and Modern Information Technologies >On almost any conceivable dimension, we are in the midst of an information >explosion. Data protection rules, by contrast, seek to block flows of >information. Data 'Control' is oppression. Data 'Protection' is our friend. "If putting all information about every individual on the face of the globe in the hands of the New World Order saves the life of a single child..." >Seen another way, the rise of computers and computer networks is undoubtedly >a major reason why countries have promulgated data protection rules in >recent decades. In both the United States and Europe, current debates >about privacy are being driven by fears about how computers pose a threat >to privacy. >That is, computers are the key reason for data protection rules. ... >International flows of data. International flows of information are >climbing rapidly within companies, as they create global Intranets, >and between companies, as they use Extranets with their strategic >partners. And these "data protection rules" are going to be enforced equally for everybody, right? If you and I are fined and imprisoned for violation of these rules, then it will be likewise for owners of megacorporations, government employees, etc. Just like at Waco and Ruby Ridge, Kent State and Tiennachinc Square... Just like murdering dictators at the APEC summit would have been maced and arrested if they carried signs saying "Freedom & Democracy." Get real. While Bernstein has the Dogs of InfoWar set on his ass, RSA is exporting cutting edge encryption technology to Communist China. Bottom Line: Just as is the case today, the "data protection" laws and regulations of the future will apply only to those individuals and corporations who fail to fall in line with the New World Order's desire for all new technologies to contain tools of surveillance and oppression. "Those who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear." Put a cork in your asshole...the government is going to 'protect' you again. BendOverI'mHereToHelpYouMonger |<----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------->| 6"

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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HUMOR: A Bah Humbug (fwd)
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was send to me by a friend. it was too good not to share... alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: HUMOR: A Bah Humbug Sung to the tune of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" You better watch out, You better not cry, You better not pout, I'm telling you why, Santa Claus is tapping, Your phone. He's buggin your room, He's reading your mail, He's keeping a file And runnin a tail Santa Claus is tapping Your phone He hears you in the bedroom Surveils you out of doors And if that doesn't get the goods Then he'll use provocateurs. So you mustn't assume That you are secure On Christmas Eve He'll kick in your door Santa Claus is tapping Your phone...

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