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Re: Starting an e-cash bank
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:25 1/3/96, Alex Strasheim wrote: >> What does it take to be called a bank? > >Is it necessary to be called a bank? To get a license for the bank software from DigiCash, you have to convince them that you are a major player in whatever country you are in or have to offer some exceptional additional value to the service. >I've got a storefront in Chicago. >What would prevent me from opening up a Mark Twain account and buying and >selling ecash on floppies, in person? You touched on a very important issue: the party converting currency into Ecash does not have to be the Ecash bank. There have been discussions that in the future one should be able to buy Ecash on floppy at the local supermarket, similar to today's prepaid calling cards. I certainly would like to see that happen rather sooner than later. It is my understanding that you would be welcome to issue MT Ecash for USD. Here is another business opportunity: MT Bank does not allow the purchase of Ecash by credit card, since they consider the risk of chargebacks unacceptable. This might be a market for a third party. >Do account holders have to agree >not to do that before Mark Twain gives them an account? Is it illegal? MT Bank doesn't mind. IANAL. <speaking only for myself> -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Why Net Censorship Doesn't Work
by cman＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think that there is still a substantial possibility that many kinds of expression will be marginalized and hard to access for a great many users. One of my co-workers has pointed out that the need for something as simple as a helper application for Netscape loses about 90% of his audience. By simply making it rather more difficult for people to chat about some things, governments can effectively push such things out of the way of all but the most determined readers. This is actually one of those odd Laffer-curve-like phenomena, where as long as the expression isn't too inherently desirable, government restrictions can be somewhat effective, but the more tightly they try to control things, the more likely the are to lose, as there will be more and more desirable content outside the sanctioned sphere of activity. Consequently, I was much happier to see the "indecency" standard get passed instead of the "harmful" standard, as the former will push far more content into the "gray" area of the net, which will encourage development and adoption of appropriate tools. A quote from Star Wars (which I'm just now incorporating into my .sig) was just echoed back to me in a letter from a chap I spoke with from the Australian Office of Strategic Crime Assessment, as encapsulating what he got out of a rather long chat we had when he was passing through the Bay Area last month. Here it is: ------ , ------ Douglas Barnes "The tighter you close your fist, Governor Tarkin, cman(a)communities.com the more systems will slip through your fingers." cman(a)best.com --Princess Leia

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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers (fwd)
by andr0id＠midwest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Previous exchanges deleted... > >With a tightly focused beam (light is easy, I don't know about lower >frequencies), you can prevent interception except by very obvious physical >devices. (e.g. Someone in a cherry picker truck.) You may be able to >avoid the need to encrypt the link (and all the paranoia about key >management, advances in factoring etc. that that implies.) > >Bill The problem with this comes when you start creating links between much taller buildings like in San Fran. Any give building over 30 stories might sway a foot or so at any given time. Combine that with the other building and you might get a few feet of movement. (movement not including during an earthquake) :) (andr0id(a)midwest.net callsign: N9XLM) ( Computer Consulting & Management ) (P.O. Box 421 Cambria, IL 62915-0421) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzCsIi4AAAEH/1hb5+tO/n99Nbppf0ImLJ6AaVZ3NlZP0ZHwRQor00uA129i d4zWixNXxc8t2auaqN+asV99LpIip3/nQzBnjydiumeBdGLF2PR9+6X8X/RrqKa1 dVIukxM5Agg2eM6ih+0J38hgKJ3qzKXSz6sjYmpaxvbXZoHHOLUk/ZtHUKvvEyPw hnJEYnut8NUnIeK56lqeqRw86yoeRKymbfCdjdpgeY2aRwK2FJts8sbb7Fs10s4y jgxWIxIipBznbGUTh1hb2XrLGPENwk3E/qqXQJEsrySbtwdl6VgTVQjhDDEJMitL DYeiQ3W5EgxfcdbM1j2FwYu3P/dM6Y0I8xLMYT0ABRG0NmFuZHIwaWRAb2ljdTgx Mi5jb20gKG9pY3U4MTIuY29tIHN5c3RlbSBhZG1pbmlzdHJhdG9yKYkBFQMFEDCs LO90C7R/GkJcSQEB01cH/0KC3sd+u4OxMku5378SJktoN6QIQYLJ7uVbuV4S51yK NAotCGf4Wl6wwjynzZvXKU0H87oDuMiq7FybgMNL2n+4bQIZi0iz0lIuzwoMDu63 NrHUW9Kz42pOnhrEhrdkHhHL9O5GgD1yc40fJ3qw5h7LQEjDxgypyw0IFILFc34u LeRLliNibxKp8JwAxXNHWSgxu28TQvmnkHi0AHP6tJ/uZYe+4dqJtrMMsYFjzZaz DPmxD+dzbTwlQKtJaP1ZkDI0Sr072wrZDv+G86GyGBMX2lpSafpRitnxuUttjU9o wsQ9Qo5xiH1nZRCs/bDzJe/gng+GHzevixDIITurtNA= =SgPT -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Duplicate messages
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 4 Jan 96 at 7:00, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote (to Ed Carp): > Please stop polluting this mailing list with test messages. > Thank you. > > (I wish I could set up procmail on this box.) I find it to be less work to scan messages marked for deletion by the Cohen/Alice/Hallam/Vulis/Nuri filter for the occasional meaningful one than to have to scan the main body of messages to delete the meaningless ones. We Jurgar Din (that will have to suffice: I do not yet live in a free country) +"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the+ +vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no + +election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now + +too late to retire from the contest." -Patrick Henry 1775 + -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMOv240jw99YhtpnhAQHHfwIAgJU+MoL4jhk9Lv+H8U/ZpNOwaGVlC0Mr 1ij6fjrw3fnvYsd8ChoxxvWGjV30t2/ZagPHbuHezQLI/mHZy9fYwg== =AK3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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AP: Compuserve Will Lift Newsgroup Ban
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Compuserve's original statement from last week is at: http://www.compuserve.com/at/pressbox/newsgrps.html Attached are excerpts from today's AP article. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Columbus, Ohio (AP) -- The on-line service CompuServe says it hopes to reopen access to 200 sexually oriented Internet forums to all but its German customers by the end of the month... CompuServe spokesman Jeff Shafer said Wednesday the Columbus-based company is working on a software fix that will prevent Germans from accessing the newsgroups while allowing access to customers in the rest of the world... Munich's senior public prosecutor, Manfred Wick, said this week his office did not order a ban or provide CompuServe with any list as part of its investigation of child pornography. But he acknowledged that police asked CompuServe to scrutinize a list last month. `The decision on whether and to what extent the groups on the list would be blocked was left to CompuServe,'' Wick's statement said.

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Re: Massey, CEO of Compuserve, on Internet
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:55 1/4/96 -0500, Tony Iannotti wrote: >On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > >> Yes it would require that the Node be checked in the Software. What I was >> responding to was a claim that there is no way of telling where I am >> connecting from (which I disproved). As to calling a non-German Node, that >> is always an option. > >Yes, I agree. I think the real difference is that they really cannot tell >where you are calling from, even though they know where you are >connecting. Caller ID could tell them where you are calling from. They can also use their billing information and user profile information to decide where you live and/or how old you are. I wonder if any of these filters will keep the German prosecutors off their necks, given that they can be bypassed. I feel sorry for them given the situation they are in, and want to kick their butts for just rolling over dead instead of fighting for free access. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Microsoft has a way to go on E-Mail
by Brad Shantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I've just installed the Microsoft Exchange Server release candidate at the office. I am firmly convinced that the bounce messages Tim just mentioned are from an Exchange server that has not been set up correctly. Things I've noticed: If the client sends a message to an invalid address on the same LAN the server returns an error saying that there is no transport available. If the mail is from an oustide source, the recipient is not recognized. It's really easy to make mistakes because there is no consistency whatsoever between Exchange Server and MS-Mail Server. Brad

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Re: \"Concryption\"
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A little birdie (anonymous(a)freezone.remailer) said: >Does anyone understand what this "Concryption" really is? Reading the >press blurbs, it could be nothing more than simply compressing the >stream before encrypting it. A patent on that idea would be rather >awkward. > I doubt that it could be awkward, given that my employer, Aladdin Systems, has been shipping a software package that implements this since 1986. :-) -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "Eternal vigilance is the price of PostScript" -- MacUser Jan 96 DTP and Graphics column

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Apologies for my absense
by Jonathan Zamick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry I've been so absent from the list recently. I've been variously flying back and forth to different conferences, working on putting new things together for RSAREF, and finally going on a much needed vacation (I'm feeling much better now.) Actually, after recovering from blood loss from the hoards of mosquitos which greeted me at the airport, I've finally gotten ready to wade through my Cpunk backlogs. Some news: 1. Come to the RSAREF conference, and say hi at the Consensus booth. Its rumored I'll be wearing a white shirt 2 of the 3 days and maybe a jacket, while wearing a tie and boxers one one of the days. (The tie is a bit unusual I have to admit.) You all gave me a number of nifty wishlists when I stuck the option out there before and I think life is good. I can't tell you about it now, or at least I'm not going to because suspense is fun. However, in seriousness stop by. We'll have at least 3 major announcements to make which will be of moderate interest to y'all. Besides, I'm spending the next two weeks panicking about the booth and will need some peer support once I collapse. (We just wanted a room for an hour to get a little roundtable.) 2. Please give some comment on our RSAREF web pages. I've just started pouring some info into them to answer questions people have about the licensing and such. If there are questions you have that aren't answered, let me know. (If the question is, where do I send my flame... you don't really need me to answer do you? :) Anyway, who else is going to be at the conference? (Also who is going to be at MacWorld?) Lastly, I'd like to plan a Cpunk party. I'm thinking about March 15th perhaps in the Berkeley area. Its going to be a Sake party, in the Takara Sake factory, so we can be really droll and mix the Cyber/Cypher punk motif. :) That sound like a good night? Any major conferences causing a problem? Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ..Jonathan Zamick Consensus Development Corporation.. ..<JonathanZ(a)consensus.com> 1563 Solano Ave, #355.. .. Berkeley, CA 94707-2116.. .. o510/559-1500 f510/559-1505.. ..Mosaic/WWW Home Page: .. .. Consensus Home Page ..

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Re: Concription [NOISE]
by Corey Minter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

anonymous(a)freezone.remailer wrote: > Does anyone understand what this "Concryption" really is? Reading the > press blurbs, it could be nothing more than simply compressing the > stream before encrypting it. A patent on that idea would be rather > awkward. if there is nothing more to concription, then it sounds like a bogus patent since PGP documents and implements the technique already. Maybe it would make a nice trademark though. Does anyone know if macaroni and cheese combined in one meal is patented? If not, maybe I can go out and patent it. :) -- ______________________________________________________________________ Corey Minter | cminter(a)mipos2.intel.com | (408) 765-1714

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