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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's naieve to assume that Bell was even the target. World gov't/military machines learned their PR lessons in vietnam. As a part of a greater plan, it makes sense. If the stinkbomb allegations are fact, then they have enough to convict him on something minor like assault, possibly with intent or with a weapon. That would help, but wouldn't be required. They most definitely have posts with his name on them and people who would testify to his being of the libertatian/radical bent. Neither of those will likely hold up in court, but that's ok. The US is still reeling from OK City. Tried as it might, the US gov't couldn't find an outside enemy to pin it to. Whether Timmy did it or not is again irrelevant, they needed to find someone to blame and did. Now that it's the defenses turn, it would be useful to remind people of the scar--get someone for "conspiring" to do it again. Bring up that hatred again--can't hurt the prosecutions case. Markoff's and Littman's versions of the Mitnick saga are indeed most interesting. Shimomura's machine gets broken into and there was _something_ on there that _someone_ wanted back pretty badly. Does it matter if he did it? _Someone_ did, and that alone is usable. BTW, we get to wash the egg off the FBI. Sommi the "cyberstalker" goes unfound for months. Come on, we all know that no one could be that stupid. Ultimately, these add up in the mind of Joe public online. He's scared of hackers and organizations that promote libertarianism. "We can protect you from them if you let us." At this point the collective conscious doesn't care about losing what it percieves as a tiny amount of freedom to keep itself and it's offspring safe. And that's the game. The more a gov't oppresses, the more paranoid it needs to be. Becoming a police state is simple, becoming a welcomed police state takes careful planning. Prior planning prevents piss poor performance -- sparky

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by Service＠iBase.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by CDR Filter Account 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Natives Are Getting Restless
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday, May 23, 1997 - 16:33:14 MET It has been said that the greatest lesson learned from the vietnam war by the military industrial complex, was the need for effective disinformation and its role in dividing groups that would otherwise hang together against a common enemy. Applied to the home front this translated into "identity" politics. To break up the antiwar and youth movements of the 60s, everyone was defined as a minority with their own agenda and lexicon. Feminists, Vanishing White male, Black Power advocates, Gays/Lesbians, christian peaceniks, hispanic farm workers, etc each was pitted against the other by underscoring their departure points in a machevelian plan to divide and conquer those that had united against the war and the MIC. For the most part this has been extremely successful and any meaningful dialogue on a national scale has long been next to impossible because of it. List members should be the first to rise above the base tactics of the enemy. We need to develop a language of inclusion that unites all of these seemingly disparate peoples against the common enemy. > Blanc wrote: > > > If this society is at war, it is a Civil War, fighting against itself. In > > fact, there are many groups fighting against each other, on many different > > levels: racial, gender-based, religious, economic, philosophical, not to > > leave out political. Companies are fighting each other "tooth & nail" > > for survival in marketing turfs, races are still exchanging vicious barbs, > > homosexuals are under verbal & physical attack by the socially "normed", > > the poor still envy & disparage the rich, women & children seem more than > > ever to be at risk to attacks from roving sex perverts, the liberals would > > love to put the libertarians under, religious groups lecture against the > > moral depravity of all those "other" people, and half the country is either > > stocking up for a National Disaster or forming into militia groups or other > > Think Tanks to fight some sort of government encroachment (even the health > > food stores where I shop are always posting sign-up sheets to vote against > > something or another the government wants to ban or some right-of-choice > > that is being threatened by proposed legislation). > > Second only to Miss Piggy among deep thinkers, Mrs. > Wiggs, the one with the cabbage patch, said this: "In the > mud and scum of things ... Something always always > sings." > > I am grateful that there is at least one female on the list who > is capable of stepping into the middle of the "Dick Wars" on the > list and reminding the men that the "targets" they talk about have > names, faces, and children. > I am aware that there is a human cost inherent in every conflict, > and I accept that it will always be so, but I cannot accept the > idea that one can leave their conscience clear by "criminalizing" > their target and discounting their target's humanity. > I am an anarchist and a realist. If I had a button that would > nuke D.C., I might well push it--but I am also a thinking, feeling > human, and I would cry a river of tears, as well. When I estimate > a "body count", I never fail to count the children. > > Blanc's aim is true when she speaks of the growth of reactionary > posts to the list which fail to include a foundation of creative > thought. > Anyone can return fire when attacked and turn the situation into > a firefight where a random volley of ammo decides the outcome of > the battle. However, a good squad leader already has his defences > in place to deal rationally with situations that can easily be > forseen before they arise. > When "they" come for your neighbor today, will you be surprised > when they come for _you_ tomorrow? When I first heard of Jim Bell's > arrest I began composing a reply to Hallam-Baker's coming post. It > may be vocal and emotionally charged, but it is not done solely > out of blind reactionism. > > God bless Blanc. > > TruthMonger -96 > >

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Re: Spam laws threaten remailers?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two possibilities: First, the law might not apply to remailer operators. It only applies to originators of messages. It might make it illegal to use remailers to send commercial messages, but that would apply to the users, not to the remailer operators. Even if it does apply to remailers, they can comply with it. Put "Advertisement" at the front of each subject line, and put the remailer operator's contact info in the message. Remailer operators are not generally hidden, so this does not hurt them any.

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Accounts payable
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[reep] May's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. ' ' ' ' ^-O-O-^ -ooO--U--Ooo- Timmy C[reep] May

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NYC Crypto Forum
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian taped the Cryptography Forum at the Association of the Bar of the City of New York last evening and will share once its transcribed. In the meantime: TITLE OF PROGRAM: Guns, Ammunition and Cryptography: Is the Government's Policy on Digital Encryption Creating a Crisis? MODERATOR: Charles R. Nesson, Professor, Harvard Law School PANELISTS: Matt Blaze, Co-author of Risks of Key Recovery paper. (short-notice invitee) Lynn McNulty (ex-NIST now RSA) filling in for Jim Bidzos Scott Charney, Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice Kenneth W. Dam, Professor, University of Chicago Law School Dorothy E. Denning David J. Farber, University of Pennsylvania Marc Rotenberg, EPIC ----- Nesson asked the audience (about a hundred), "How many use encryption?" Over half raised hands. "Wow!" he said, "If I asked that of a law class at Harvard, maybe two or three hands would have been raised." Nesson then posed to the principal question: "Is the government's policy on cryptography creating a crisis?" Dam, Denning and Charney said no. Other panelists said yes. The audience by show of hands was about evenly split. There was intense discussion among the panelists but no change in position. Some highlights: David Kahn, in the audience, reaffirmed his support for key escrow, stating that it would not change the current legal provisions for electronically snooping, and why ask for more privacy than is now authorized. Blaze summarized the KR risks paper and pointed out the enormous expense of designing, implementing, operating and securing a global key recovery system -- which, as he ironically smiled, could make cryptographers and crypto-corps rich. That such a system might make security weaker by offering fewer choice targets to attack -- the key repositories. Blaze reminded that encryption will become pervasive in all electronic systems, not just communications. That it must be robust and untamperable or more and more crucial systems will be vulnerable to attack. And, the more complicated the security provisions the more likely they will fail. Farber stated that time was being wasted on KR debate while the nation's infrastructure remained immensely vulnerable to electronic attack. He said that with six students he could shut the system down in "a few days, with, say, spoof E-mail to key administrators." That ITEF is working on a next-generation system to prevent that, but meanwhile there is great risk. McNulty reaffirmed industry's position that other countries will develop robust encryption if the US does not allow export. Charney responded by pointing out that the administration seeks global commitment to key escrow among governments, and asserts they will comply for the same reasons the USG wants it. He said, for example, that countries may allow development of strong crypto but, like the US, will not allow export. He cited Japan's refusal to allow NTT's 128-bit export, and said Russia will surely not allow the export of the Sun/Elvis product. Same for France, Germany, and so forth. There was audience derision when Charney noted that the US must do as the Russians and Chinese and French do to control crypto. Interestingly, Charney did not cite The Wassenaar Arrangement, although Dam pointed out how difficult it was to reach agreement on the COCOM predecessor and enforce compliance with it. Nesson summarized Charney's position by saying, "do you mean that key escrow would do no more than help you catch criminals too stupid to use unescrowed crypto?" Charney nodded, and said that "nearly all all criminals we catch by electronic surveillance talk openly about being surveilled but do nothing about to avoid it." Nesson reiterated: "Do you mean that you want a system to catch stupid criminals while the nation's infrastructure is left vulnerable?" Charney, "That's not the right way to put it." Denning gave examples of her recent survey of law enforcement for examples of crypto use to hinder investigations. Finally, Dam noted that encryption policy was a different task than implementing encryption systems. That the detailed understanding of those who follow the encryption debate is not shared by the public nor by most officials. That agreement upon policy will require greater education for those who could not care less about the complications and subtleties being debated. An auditor queried: There seems to be agreement that encryption will work best when it is totally transparent to users, and the sooner that is devised the better. Why not just get on with it,? Blaze shook his head at this cluelessness, howled at the ceiling, sprouted fur, bared teeth, leaped Dave Farber, went for Charney's jugular, clawed Denning. Kahn and the suited audience ran screaming into the safe streets of Manhattan, while shaggy coders roared, "Kill, kill, kill the infrastructure-fuckers."

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Reputation Capital
by Mark C. Wallace 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have any papers/sources/url's on reputation capital? [1] I'm contemplating a project which I think might be similar; don't want to unecessarily make a fool of myself. [1] Dejanews and altavista turned up references, but nothing substantive. I've RTFM.

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NYC Crypto Forum Add
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A supplement to the NYC Crypto Forum: Toward the end Nesson asked, "How about the missing participant here, NSA?" Several panelists noted, "NSA's here, in the audience." (Nonesuch spoke, however.) Nesson went on to ask, "What about national security interests outweighing the right to privacy?" It was here that David Kahn offered his defense of key recovery. Farber and others responded that the problem is that the government is not trusted, that guards against abuse of power have not worked, that national security too often has been a cloak for illicit actions. Here, an audience member said that he worked at Salomon Brothers doing traffic analysis of vast E-mail, and that we should be aware that more electronic snooping is going on than most people know. How could we be sure that law enforcement would not similarly abuse systems set up to catch criminals for other purposes, as NSA allegedly does, and, now using the same methodolgies, as private companies do to spy on employees, customers and competitors. All panelists nodded at this, that it's hard to tell god from the devil, and crypto won't help.

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AP=MAFIA ?
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Italy remembers murdered anti-Mafia judge ROME (May 23, 1997 3:43 p.m. EDT) - Italy on Friday mourned the judge whose ground-breaking Mafia investigations led to his murder five years ago. On Thursday, prosecutors in Sicily requested life jail terms for more than 30 bosses charged with the murder. Judge Giovanni Falcone, his wife Francesca Morvillo and three bodyguards were blown up on May 23, 1992, on a motorway outside the Sicilian capital Palermo. "Institutions and citizens have a duty not to forget," the speaker of the Chamber of Deputies (lower house), Luciano Violante, said in an anniversary message to the families of the victims. He called on Italians "to avoid the rhetoric of commemorations (and to) work with determination in the fight against the Mafia to defend those values of civility and legality" for which Falcone worked. Crimefighters including FBI director Louis Freeh, in Palermo for a memorial service, drove in convoy along the motorway. They stopped to pay tribute at the point where explosives packed under the road were detonated by remote control as Falcone's car passed. "We are not just honouring the memory of a single man but of many policemen, prosecutors and investigators which he represents," Freeh said. Prosecutors in the central Sicilian city of Caltanissetta requested life sentences on Thursday for 32 Mafiosi, including Cosa Nostra's jailed boss of bosses Salvatore Riina and some of his key lieutenants, who are charged with masterminding the murder. For Giovanni Brusca, the most senior member of the Mob to be captured in the past year, prosecutors sought a 30-year jail term. They cited mitigating circumstances since Brusca has admitted using the remote control device that triggered the blast. The trial was halted for five minutes on Friday as a mark of respect. The defence is expected to sum up late next month. A verdict is expected late this year. On Friday night thousands of Sicilians gathered for a pop concert held in Falcone's memory on an undeveloped tract of land in the city's outskirts near a villa where Riina spent part of his 23 years at large before his arrest in 1993. Falcone, a Sicilian, revolutionised Italy's war on the Mafia by tracking financial records that revealed the extent of the Mob's criminal activities and resources, and by persuading captured Mafioso to turn state's evidence. Testimony from "Men of Honour," who are sworn on pain of death to a code of silence or "omerta" when they are initiated into the Mafia, gave unprecedented insight into the feared society and led to the arrest of Riina and other bosses. The murder of Falcone, and two months later of his friend and colleague Paolo Borsellino in a car-bomb attack, horrified Italy and galvanised efforts to crack the Mafia and end the reign of terror imposed by Riina and his bloody Corleone clan. Palermo's chief prosecutor Giancarlo Caselli cautioned on Friday that Italy now risked slipping into complacency. "The Mafia seems to have become a second division problem, or even a non-problem, because people think...that police successes in the last few years are leading to a definitive solution of the problem. "That is not so," Caselli said in a radio interview. "The Mafia is still an extremely robust and highly dangerous beast." _________________________________________________________________ [ Global | Stateside | Sports | Politics | Opinions | Business | Techserver | Health & Science | Entertainment | Weather | Baseball | Basketball | Football | Hockey | Sport Server | MAIN ] _________________________________________________________________ Copyright ) 1997 Nando.net Do you have some feedback for the Nando Times staff? http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/world/052397/world14_3679.html

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