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Re: DejaNews all over again
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Jeff Weinstein, self-styled "Electronic Munitions Expert", from Netscape Communications: >> Meanwhile people are having their PGP keyrings collected, their passwords >> monitorred, and all of the information -- even information which they have >> NOT posted to Usenet, information that is simply on their personal hard >> drives, or on a private corporate network that is behind a firewall -- >> collected by anyone who actualy understands *how* to use Netscape >> Navigator's standard features to do it. > > Please show us some proof. All you have done is post unfounded >allegations backed up by flawed logic and a misunderstanding of the >technology. Send me a URL, and I will point my navigator at it. If you >can collect my PGP key ring you can gloat here or anywhere else. I think "Jeff" ... Mr. unofficial not speakng for the company Netscape spokesperson, I think that you should rethink what you're suggesting. Your tactics won't serve your personal interests on this one. I really would recommend that you come clean. This is not about "gloating". I really take very little pleasure in this. It's really not a good plan, to suggest that I contravene your "license agreement" or break the laws of my country to satisfy some ego-centred game on your part not to face the FACT, that you have been caught. Not arrested yet, but you have been found out. Or as I wrote some weeks ago, in some oddly inspired flash ... You're "Hoist by your own 'petar" ... (which is a quote that Johnnie Cochrane used during the OJ trial ... a quote taken from Shakespeare which *translated* means that you've been blown up by your own bomb.) I am not nearly so *SLOW* as to offer you ammunition to use against me. Your license agreement -- pardon me -- Netscape's license agreement explicitly sets out the limitations underwhich I must function. An agreement, I respect. It states in part. > RESTRICTED USE. You may not copy the software, except for backup or > archival purposes. Any such copy made by you shall be subject to this > Agreement and shall contain all of Netscape's notices regarding > copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights as contained in the > Software originally provided to you. You may not lend, rent, lease or > otherwise transfer the Software. The Software is protected by the > copyright laws of the United States and international copyright > treaties. Ya see ... "Jeff" ... I actually respect that ... and I'll operate within those constraints on this one. Later the Agreement continues with more legalistic boiler plate and says, > TITLE. Title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in > and to the Software and Documentation shall remain in Netscape and/or > its suppliers. This Agreement does not include the right to sublicense > the Software and is personal to you and therefore may not be assigned > (by operation of law or otherwise) or transferred without the prior > written consent of Netscape. You acknowledge that the Software in > source code form remains a confidential trade secret of Netscape and/or > its suppliers and therefore you agree not to attempt to decipher, > decompile, disassemble or reverse engineer the Software or allow others > to do so, except to the extent applicable laws specifically prohibit > such restriction. You further agree not to modify or create derivative > works of the Software. Now how do you expect me ... poor little "Alice" ... to exploit KNOWN documented and undocumented security holes in Netscape Navigator ... holes which Netscape willfully and deliberately or alternatively through the grossest of negligence, engineered into the product, when I have implicitly agreed not to violate your License Agreement. My hands are kindof tied, aren't they "Jeff". I need written permission to do that, and considerring that Netscape hasn't even *bothered* to acknowledge email which was sent to them, email which asked whether they will voluntarily open up their experimental MIME objects to IETF review, I somehow doubt that permission will be forthcoming. You can't suck and blow at the same time Jeff. Maybe, what I'll do ... is snail mail Netscape and ask for explicit permission to do just that. I'll also ask for access to all of the source code, and maybe at the same time ask for the email address of Dr James H. Clark, since the Netscape postmaster doesn't seem to reply to email. Afterall, he DOES know about this issue, doesn't he?? Dr. James H. Clark has been briefed, I hope ... Let's see ... Dr. James H Clark, founder of Silicon Graphics Inc, and co-founder of Netscape Communications Corp. does know about this "itsy bitsy" "teeny-weeny" problem doesn't he?? I mean there _will_ be questions as to what he knew and when he knew it and what he did about it. But that'll be his baby ... and I'll let him speak for himself on that one. But the other question ... the question of what the other co-founder of Netscape Communications Corp., Marc Andreessen, knew is not a subject for speculation. We know that. Marc Andreessen, vice-president of technology at Netscape, and creator of NCSA Mosaic's knowledge is clear. We "know" what Marc knew. Marc won't be able to pull an "Ollie North" and redact the public domain electronic archives. It's clear what he knew and when he knew it. A simple one line command tells all ... a command like, maybe: mget rfc* |grep Andreessen run at one of the public domain archives might give us some clues and pointers to anyone who might be familiar with how the net works. Then a little follow up and search of some mailing lists ... lists of the Internet Engineering Task Force ... cross-referencing the records of the IETF might tell us what Marc knew and when. NOTHING which has been written, is gone, is it Jeff?? There are no hidden acts, and there are no solitary acts when it comes to the Network. And isn't that a shame, "Jeff"?? But then what would I know about such things ... I don't *understand* the technology, do I "Jeff", my boy?? Simple question, once again ... does Netscape have any comment to make? Or does it continue to say "no comment". Will Dr. James H. Clark, and/or Marc Andreessen please step forward and address this issue at this time? The international community is beginning to loose its patience. > --Jeff > > -- > Jeff Weinstein - Electronic Munitions Specialist > Netscape Communication Corporation > jsw(a)netscape.com - http://home.netscape.com/people/jsw > Any opinions expressed above are mine. Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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by Support 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IRC #cypherpunks
by Judd Howie 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A cypherpunks channel has also been set up on the Austnet IRC network irc.austnet.org and then /map for your closest server /join #cypherpunks that's where we are in the southern hemisphere anyway GBH

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17 Dec '03

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by owner-cypherpunks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Tim's views on the racial problem in America
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: >The center is gone for good, cry a tear, then bravely affirm: >good riddance to Ptolemaic centricity. Normalcy is now para. >Listen to what your teeth are picking up from the spectrum >transmitting to the inner ear bone: the spheres whistling >Dixie in the dark. ............................................ I know just what you mean, JYA. "He took his vorpal sword in hand; Long time the manxome foe he sought - So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. .. Blanc

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by brownlist＠goplay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Robinson CypherPunk
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: "Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally." -- sez DataBasix
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > No, otherwise it'd say 'theanonassholeislosing@ ^^^^^^^^^^^ Keep up your bigoted remarks towards those of us who'd rather not contribute our e-mail addresses to spammers and abusers. Your true colors are showing ever more clearly with each passing day. > Changing your tune a bit? hahaha You're losing. If believing that makes you happy, go right ahead. > I remember that you have no clue what you're talking about anymore. You > complain that I don't sign my posts yet you miss one thing. I'm not posting > from databasix.com. That's where the accusations are leveled towards. Those > were the posts that were forged. When I post from DataBasix, I'll pgp sign > them. You were posting from Netcom, not DataBasix, when you accused the poster of a technical question to alt.privacy.anon-server of wanting the the information so that he could permit "forgery". > You're an abusive asshole and you're posting anonymously. There are > legitimate reasons for using a remailer. None of your posts have fit that > criteria. If you're campaigning for "privacy czar", this isn't going to win you any votes. Once again, when you take the time and effort to set up your own remailer, then you have the privilege of determining "legitimate reasons for using it". Have you, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, or your other flunkies at DataBasix EVER had ANYTHING civil to say publicly about anonymous posters? Care to cite an example? > : Then why did you demand that Jeff violate the privacy of all of his > : users by turning over his user logs to you and Belinda Bryan > : <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>? > : And when he said that the only condition > : he'd release them was in response to a letter FROM YOUR LAWYER, > : Belinda Bryan sent such a letter? > > One doesn't need to be a lawyer to send a letter. You didn't answer the question. You demanded ALL of the user logs for Jeff's Huge Cajones remailer. Why? What would have happened to all of the e-mail addresses of his users if Jeff had given in to that demand? > : Perhaps the remailer users would like to know what purpose you had > : in mind for demanding the e-mail addresses of EVERYONE who either > : SENT or RECEIVED anonymous mail through Jeff's remailer. > > Perhaps readers would be interested in knowing the real reason you're so > attracted to me. Maybe someday you'll post your demands. Just leave remailers and their users the he** alone, Gary! > Blah Blah Blah. You're such a lousy liar. You've still never posted one shred > of evidence that I ever abused anything or tried to shut a remailer down or > had one shut down or whatever you like to think. It's more likely it's YOU > who want remailers shut down. Many are now complaining about tactics such as > yours. Posting lies from behind a remailer is one good way to try to get them > shut down. Why do you want remailers shut down so badly? You call me a liar, then you proceed with your typical "big lie" technique of accusing me without evidence. "Posting lies from behind a remailer"? Do you fancy yourself to be the "truth squad" or "Thought Police", Gary? Have you got a Perl script in your back pocket that will filter posts for "truth" and "lies" that you'd care to donate to the remailer net, or should remailer operators just block all posts that even mention your name just to be on the "safe" side? It's interesting that you'd claim "Posting lies from behind a remailer is one good way to try to get them shut down". Is that your goal? Have you tried that tactic before, perhaps as a pretext to get a remailer shut down? Your unproven accusations are a bit mis-targeted. I'm the one who's USING a remailer, you're the one who's consistently CRITICIZED them. Have you even USED a remailer (that you'll admit to)? Have you ever contributed money or technical expertise to setting up or operating one? Back when you were lecturing people on how a remailer ought to be run, you were politely invited to set up your own and SHOW us all how a remailer should be run. That invitation is still open. > : Just to refresh your memory, you were asked whether you had asked > : Jeff Burchell to censor any anonymous posts that mentioned your > : name. You stonewalled the question, flippantly suggesting that > : he/she ask the operator. Someone did just that, and Jeff's post is > : the result of that. Looks like you gambled and lost that time! > > I said (and I told him) I wanted any post with my email address in the From > line or To line dropped. > > Looks like your creativity is running out. Looks like you gambled > and lost. You were harassing Jeff in June and yet you weren't able to produce any evidence of "forged" posts any more recent than February, and even those appeared to have been forged to LOOK like they had originated from a remailer. The problem is, the person who posted that manufactured "evidence" was not very knowledgeable about remailers, and attempted to implicate a server, Mailmasher, that didn't even support header pasting. (It was a 'nym server, not a remailer.) Nevertheless, your associate at DataBasix, William J. McClatchie, used this bogus "evidence" as part of his campaign to get Mailmasher shut down. (Still wanna claim that DataBasix is not anti-remailer?) According to Jeff, you also demanded that he block what you called "inflammatory posts". He also indicated that he was blocking posts that contained your e-mail address in the *BODY* of the post (which most replies to your posts would contain) because YOU DEMANDED IT. Once again you've been caught in a lie, Gary. "Forged" From: lines were already a non-problem -- it was the CONTENT that you sought to censor. I might add that while remailers have long ago removed the capability of "forging" From: lines to usenet posts, your own ISP, Netcom, has not. Maybe you ought to be whining to them and accusing your fellow Netcommies of being "abusers". There certainly seem to be a lot more abuse complaints about Netcom users than there are about remailer users. Could it be that spammers and UCErs find Netcom more tolerant of their net abuse than do the remailers you continually attack? > You've lost. It's not working anymore. Your unfounded and unproven > accusations have proved you the liar. You've yet to explain why you've go t > such a 'thing' for me. Bet I got your account closed for spamming or UCE. You weren't able to send any spam or UCE to my account because I've never given the address to you. That, apparently, is what's bugging you about the fact that I'm anonymous. We all know about how you and Belinda Bryan like to Netcop anyone who dares to disagree with you, but I was not among your victims. Sorry to disappoint you. The existence of people like you on the net is one of the best selling points for posting anonymously and not indiscriminately broadcasting one's name and e-mail address worldwide with every post. It's sort of hard to blackmail someone by posting confidential information, like old tax liens, if you don't know his name, isn't it? Is that what's bugging you about not knowing my name? It's interesting that in a recent post, your fellow DataBasix-er Belinda Bryan expressed concern about her UNLISTED phone number or her street address being revealed on the net. So why is it OK to "hide behind the skirts of" an unlisted phone number, but using an "unlisted" e-mail address somehow makes one a "dickless coward with no balls" (to use her own words)? --

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