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Re: e$: Come aaaannnndddd Get it!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:20 AM 11/17/95, sameer wrote: >> >> 3. The success of BankAmericard (later renamed Visa) came when real >> customers and real shops started to use it, not when early pioneers set >> themselves up as clearinghouses and whatnot. > > I'm sorry, but Community ConneXion is a real shop, with real >customers, selling real services, and we accept ecash. You guys are getting way too sensitive about all this. I'm in favor of real shops selling real things or real services. My point was that there is no compelling need to get people to sign up just for moral support. Lighten up. --Tim Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Java & Netscape security (reply to misc. postings)
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After reading http://java.sun.com/1.0alpha3/doc/security/security.html my (possibly faulty) understanding of Java security is that it will not allow an applet to speak to IP addresses other than the one it was loaded from. I have a question: Doesn't restriction this prevent an applet from checking some ecash it has just received for validity with a bank computer? Thanks - Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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COMMUNITY CONNEXION BECOMES FIRST INTERNET PROVIDER TO ACCEPT ECASH
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For Immediate Release - November 17, 1995 Contact: Sameer Parekh sameer(a)c2.org 510-601-9777 COMMUNITY CONNEXION BECOMES FIRST INTERNET PROVIDER TO ACCEPT ECASH Community ConneXion today announced that it has become the first and only Internet Service Provider in the world to allow for payment using ecash, a digital cash system developed by DigiCash bv, of Amsterdam, Holland, released jointly with Mark Twain Bank, of St. Louis, Missouri. On October 23rd, DigiCash bv announced jointly with Mark Twain Bank that they would be issuing ecash denominated in real U.S. Dollars. In the past DigiCash had been running a trial "CyberBucks" payment system, which was not backed by any strong currency; it was a form of "Monopoly Money". The ecash system provides full payor anonymity. Consumers can use ecash tokens to pay for goods on the Internet, with full anonymity from the merchants. This lets consumers buy things without fear of merchants compiling and selling databases of their spending habits. It also allows for a convenient and safe mechanism for payment through the Internet. Sameer Parekh, President of Community ConneXion, said that ecash is a significant improvement over the payment systems widely in use on the net today. He described one example, "Currently people usually just send their credit card numbers over the net to the merchant if they want to buy something. This opens up the security risk of having the merchant's computers broken into; every consumer's full credit limits are then subject to attack. With ecash, only the limited sums that have been spent are at risk." Community ConneXion has begun accepting ecash as payment for its services, offering a five percent discount for customers who pay with ecash. "It simplifies our accounting and protects the privacy of our clients; it is to everyone's benefit to use ecash," said Parekh. "Ecash has greatly simplified account creation procedures for our anonymous accounts. In the past someone creating an anonymous account would need to wait until their payment arrived, and their check cleared, before the account could be created; now, the account is created automatically, immediately after the ecash payment is made over the world-wide-web." Community ConneXion is the leading provider of privacy on the Internet. They provide anonymous and pseudonymous internet access and web pages in addition to powerful web service, virtual hosts, and web design consultation. Information is available from their web pages at http://www.c2.org/. Information about the Mark Twain Bank ecash release is available from http://www.marktwain.com/ecash.html. DigiCash, CyberBucks, and ecash are trademarks of DigiCash bv. Mark Twain Bank is a trademark of Mark Twain Bancshares. Monopoly is a trademark of Parker Brothers, Division of Tonka Corporation.

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Ecash account
by don＠cs.byu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So who here is going to use their ecash account to set up a money lau^H^H^Hexchange service? Ob Cyphernoise: Would Dr Fred, Alice, and any other names LD has set up for himself lately please keep the noise limited to email? Please? Ob Plonk: amen. So let it be written, so let it be plonked. Don

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17 Dec '03

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[Fwd: JDC Newsletter Vol. 1 No. 6] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Electron Microscope...
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:08 PM 2/1/98 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > - You might also try one of the 4 schools in the US who have a certified > Semiconductor Technology program. There is one here in Austin, one in > Phoenix (I believe), and one somewhere in Oregon. I don't remember where > the fourth one is. Call Intel or AMD and ask their HR or PR people > where the schools are, they'll know. There's also the Cornell University Sub-Micron Research Facility, founded back when microns were still very small, with lots of IBM funds. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Chaining ciphers
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: Cypherpunks ## Date: 02/01/98 ## Subject: Re: Chaining ciphers ] >Subject: Re: Chaining ciphers >From: ghio(a)temp0201.myriad.ml.org (Matthew Ghio) >Date: 1998/01/30 >One other possibility is to encrypt with plaintext block >chaining, then superencrypt it PBC in reverse order, >starting with the last block first. An attacker would thus >have to decrypt the entire message before knowing whether >the key was correct or not. I've seen proposals along these lines before (I think there was one by Ron Rivest). If you have a hash function and any symmetric cipher, you can do this. BEAR and LION, the two arbitrary-size block cipher constructions by Ross Anderson and Eli Biham, have this property; you have to process every bit of the message to check a key guess. Using normal chaining modes for this kind of thing, at least with 64-bit block ciphers, usually exposes you to internal-collision kinds of attacks. >> One word of caution (which should be obvious, but can't >> hurt to repeat it): if you chain ciphers (e.g. DES | IDEA | >> 3DES | CAST | Blowfish), be sure to use separate keys for >> each of them; otherwise breaking the last one will give the >> key to the whole lot. >Only if the cryptanalyst knows that the decryption of the >last one was correct, which shouldn't be possible without >also decrypting all the other layers. Actually, this isn't necessarily true. The problem is that you can't guarantee that there won't be some interaction between those encryption operations unless you can assume independent keys. The classic example is this: Suppose the first cipher is double-DES encryption with DES keys (K0,K1), and the second and third encryptions are single-DES decryptions with keys K1 and K0, respectively. You now have e_0(e_1(e_2(x))) leaking all your plaintext directly. The proof for why something like E(X) = IDEA_{K_0}(3DES_{K_1}(X)) is at least as secure as 3DES is as follows: Suppose those keys are random and independent, and suppose you have a way to break E(X). Now, anytime you see a 3DES-encrypted block of data, you can break it, as well, by simply choosing a random IDEA key, encrypting it under that key, and then applying your attack on E(X). In other words, the attack on E(X) implies the attack on 3DES(X), but only if the keys are independent. If there is some dependency between K_0 and K_1 that's required for your attack on E(X), then you can't generalize that out to an attack on 3DES, since you don't know the 3DES key when you start attacking it. To take this a little further, note that an attack on E(X) also implies a chosen-plaintext attack on IDEA. If I have an attack that allows me to break E(X), then I can choose a random 3DES key, pre-encrypt all my chosen plaintexts with it, and then request the encryption of all those plaintexts under the secret IDEA key. The result is E(X), so I can now apply my attack to E(X). For more elaborate constructions, like E3(X) = 3DES_{K_1}(IDEA_{K_2}(Blowfish_{K_3}(X))), we can make the same kind of proof. Suppose I can break E3(X). Now, I can mount a chosen-plaintext attack on IDEA. I select a random encryption key and use it to encrypt all my chosen plaintexts under with Blowfish, and then I request their encryptions. When I get the ciphertexts from that, I select a random 3DES key and encrypt them again. I then apply my attack on E3(X) to break the system. Thus, an attack on E3(X) implies an attack on 3DES, IDEA, *and* Blowfish. But only if the keys are independent and random. Note: I read CP-LITE instead of the whole list. Please CC me on replies. - --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNNRSUiZv+/Ry/LrBAQGTgAP9EhO0wyPT0HKSXqZD61YPwId8E5C4GJK2 c/+27LBZy8WLhiD92NBc42Rzjbxbir8oWlPkSkZa565mYoaILM0CcP7S15ECyfBY yV2yCOlJdoUo2ea70uIucowxpc2zx2G2KPKBLmGS5P5cwNsx8h3i7KDiRfcWSIGN Omqf38rAy6E= =+f39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subskribe cyferpunks <billy.bob(a)whitehouse.gov>

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Re: CSE gets flak on TV
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alice here (the real one) ... On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: > Hmm, actually the news tape is reading a little strange here in Canada. > Not AP, or REUTERS, but simply the Canadian Press newswire. [long exercise in character assassination deleted] I think that this "writer" who felt that it was desirable to attach MY name to this drivel deserves a good flogging. Clearly, someone is spending WAY to much time on //WIRES on the Dow Jones News Retrieval Service, or wherever else they get to Canadian Press news stories. The matter Mr. mystery-writer detailed is in fact a Canadian matter, a domestic affair, which has no concern to an international audience. Taking three successive news stories from three days ... (press stories, I've since pulled for my own reference) and pasting them together to indicate some type of Machiaevellian?? (sp) exercise is simply "not done." > And all these stories ... coincidentally ... broke back to back. > > It's almost as though the country is disinfecting itself, or has taken > one particularly powerful laxative. I don't see this at all. The CSE story has no connection to anything else which is occurring domestically nor internationally. No relationship whatsoever. > But the CSE story is really, really smelly. The worst of the whole lot. > > I think that there might be more to this than appears on the surface. > Maybe filling in some details might help our friends on this list. > > You listening, Perry??? I think Perry has far more interesting fish to fry, than to worry about domestic Canadian affairs, and what occurs within another sovereign's borders. Whether or not Canada has collected and analyzed communications traffic on the activities of foreign states, corporations, and people is simply a Canadian matter. It's OUR affair. > "And if, in fact, there has been illegal activity going on, we'll want to > deal with that in as public a way as possible," said Sheila Copps. > > The Mexican government has presented a diplomatic note to Canada > expressing "surprise and concern" over the report that it was spied on > during the North American free-trade talks. > > South Korea is looking into the matter as well. Airing dirty laundry like this serves no purpose, whatsoever. It's not productive and is not focused to any particular policy objective. And in n any event, the Canadian Communications Security Establishment does serve up "sloppy seconds" (as some other poster named them) under intelligence sharing agreements with its counterparts in the United States, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand. In the same vein, it also is a recipient of same. These agreements and working relationships have historically benefitted all. > And I guess ... that's all of the news that I've got to this hour. Except > for one brief note, that Prime Minister Chretien tried to call the States, > but the Government shutdown meant that his call couldn't get through. > I think he tried to call NASA. Fella ... whoever you are ... please get your stories straight. The Prime Minister of Canada was trying to call NASA, not the NSA. There IS a significant difference between the two, as near anyone on this list can attest. The Prime Minister was attempting to contact Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield, who is on the space shuttle Atlantis which is presently docked with the Russian space station Mir. He wasn't trying to call the NSA ... it was the NASA. In fact, the Prime Minister's comments from the Commonwealth meeting in New Zealand were most clear. "This is an organization that works within the law of Canada. They do not report to me on a daily basis and I cannot make any comments on if they are spying on anybody, I don't know. But they have a mandate to check a few things around the world." Please try reading the list for a bit, before posting and confusing people. > Speaking personally, I just think that something is a bit fishy. I mean > "Jane Shorten" is a nym if I ever heard one ... probably married to > "Dick Lengthen" or something. Your juvenile antics deserve no further comment. > I mean ... HELLO .... GiGGle TesT ... what on earth did she think the CSE > did?? Made snowmen and skated on the Rideau Canal?? I don't think that this is relevant. And btw, it's giggle test ... it's not "GiGGle TesT". I learned how to use a shift key long, long ago. You oughta try it some time. > The agency IS obligated to destroy information about Canadians it scoops > up in its electronic net. A rare exception might be a phone call > describing a terrorist plot, but that would truly be exceptional, I think. > > I mean its not like one big fishing expedition. The CSE does not target its own citizens and has agreements with other agencies that they will not either. If someone's communication is accidentally caught in the net, the CSE is obligated to destroy the information except in the rarest of circumstances. (i.e. foreign terrorists) > And that's the fleshed out version of the story. Your fleshed out story was very interesting ... especially the way you tied things together. Did they teach you to do that type of thing somewhere?? But it's not appropriate for this list. And this is a Canadian matter. > I'm just sorry that our Prime Minister is in such a bad position because > of the timing of this "Jane Shorten's" revelations. She also revealed > that Canada spied on Japan. > > To think ... Canadian Prime Minister Chretien is a guest of the Japanese > people today. Talk about some awkward moments. I mean, what on earth do > you talk about?? > > George Bush and Sushi?? Cute ... really. I'm certainly amused. As I'm certain were all the Americans on this International list. George Bush, simply had jet lag, when he threw up at Japan. What does he have to do with anything? Canada and Japan have a great deal to speak about. Canada might even be a good friend and help the US with the Okinawa problem. Who knows? We never know how these things play. I really don't think that Canada will be marginalized by this, and I certainly hope that neither will I. Your antics, notwithstanding, and your imagination of "tying things together" serves no purpose. The people on this list can filter fact from fiction. > Alice de 'nonymous ... > > ...just another one of those... > ...hunters... > > P.S. This post is in the public domain. > C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E. Like, I said ... very, very cute. There's only one problem, mr mystery-writer, I only have one or two interests on this list. And politics is not generally one of them. My interests are simply and in order of personal importance, - removing known Security Holes in existing software or removing the software, (e.g. Netscape Navigator and Java), and - finding some secure way to implement functional international commerce via the Internet. Probably, something ECU based. Security and E-cash. Your attempt to create some type of political "brownie points" or desire to gain some attention or notoriety simply destracts me from addressing the real issues, and addressing my backed-up email. MALICE DE MONSTEROUS wasn't enough for you?? Please don't bother with any reply. None is expected. Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... ...hunters... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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