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anyone out there thinking that
by nate＠VIS.ColoState.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CypherPunks, Is there anyone out there thinking that in several years all of us will be looking back on this (The Detweiler fiasco) and remarking on it as being something of a ground-breaking flame war that would have repercussions throughout cyberspace and the future? I was thinking this today, while I was working away in my Lab. "What a funny thought!", I thought. Someday, in the near future, all of us will be able to say that we were part of a major breakthrough in Cyberspacial history, the first (I am afraid it will be the first of many) McCarthy-type witch hunts (maybe in the future we'll be accused by "legitimate" government agencies of being the Medusas behind many Tenticles, hunted, wrongly, like dogs). I am chilled to the bone at the thought, personally. -nate -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nate Sammons nate(a)VIS.ColoState.Edu (303) 491-1578 | | Colorado State University -- Computer Visualization Laboratory | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Cypherpunk Archives
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I have been looking all over for cypherpunk archives. Could someone tell me where to find them? Is there an FTP site somewhere? Why has it taken so long to get them together? If I find a server, will someone volunteer to send me their collections? (My collection is quite thorough but I have a lot of private mail with other cypherpunks, particularly the leaders, mixed up in it, and if I put mine online I might accidentally reveal some of the private mail, unless I go through it painstakingly to remove all the incriminating ones, which would take quite awhile because they are quite littered with them, and it would be exceptionally painful for me to look at, to notice how long I was being manipulated, molested, and betrayed, and how others and their pet projects were being suppressed with tentacle attacks, so generally it wouldn't be a good idea for me to go back through my archives like this, although it is certainly possible that I will do so, if no one else volunteers, just out of the venemous spite cultivated in me by this corrupt farce that masquerades as a movement, in fact I consider it all `ammunition' in a kind of uplifting way, to be used as a countermeasure against cyberspatial terrorists who are poisoning Cyberspace, but no one has noticed yet, but increasingly everyone understands that the Cryptoanarchists are completely subversive at heart and must be pursued and oppressed, even though it is a grisly task that few have the balls for, and quite a few have fainted in the sight of the blood.) I heard that the leaders were opposed to archives for some reason or another. Something about it being like an NSA surveillance procedure. I think the problem is that it could capture quite a few of the Leader Tentacles. Oh well.

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NUMBSKULL INFILTRATION ALERT (Fwd)
by mikeingl＠news.delphi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,edit.your.fucking.header.you.morons >Path: news.delphi.com!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!dartvax!news.bu.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!news.ssc.gov!cfnews!cfnews.ssc.gov!henke >From: henke(a)scaly.ssc.gov (Douglas Henke) >Subject: Re: NUMBSKULL INFILTRATION ALERT >In-Reply-To: dasher(a)netcom.com's message of Fri, 3 Dec 1993 20:33:42 GMT >Message-ID: <HENKE.93Dec3174114(a)scaly.ssc.gov> >Sender: usenet(a)cfnews.ssc.gov >Nntp-Posting-Host: scaly.ssc.gov >Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX >References: <dasherCHH3Ey.J1F(a)netcom.com> <tcmayCHH6MA.Mzw(a)netcom.com> > <dasherCHH7s6.4rF(a)netcom.com> >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 23:41:14 GMT >Lines: 10 Leaking viscous fluids from every bodily orifice, tcmay(a)netcom.com (Christ, another netcom newbie) spews: >...I gave up long ago trying to convince Larry Detweiler that I am >a real person. I don't know who to laugh hysterically at first, Larry (for simply being a species of idiot unto himself) or you, for caring what he thinks. "Tentacles," indeed. You only exist on the net in terms of the persona (or personae) you choose to project. That's not a bug, that's a feature.

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Gov't Report
by an52436＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought that some of you might find this interesting... Mephisto **Forwarded Message** To: rsaref-users(a)RSA.COM From: KH3(a)CU.NIH.GOV Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 16:11:53 EST Subject: New GAO report on Communications Privacy Acknowledge-To: KH3(a)NIHCU.BITNET X-Acknowledge-To: KH3(a)NIHCU.BITNET Sender: rsaref-users-request(a)RSA.COM GAO recently issued a report "Communications Privacy: Federal Policy and Actions", GAO/OSI-94-2, dated November 4, 1993, that may be of interest to members of your group. The report focused on the following issues: - The need for information privacy in computer and communications systems--through such means as encryption, or conversion of clear text to an unreadable form--to mitigate the threat of economic espionage to U.S. industry; - federal agency authority to develop cryptographic standards for the protection of sensitive, unclassified information and the actions and policies of the National Security Agency (NSA), Department of Defense, and of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NI ST), Department of Commerce, regarding the selection of federal cryptographic standards; - roles, actions, and policies of NSA and the Department of State related to export controls for products with encryption capabilities and industry rationale for requesting liberalization of such controls; and - the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) legislative proposal regarding telephone systems that use digital communications technology. I have placed an electronic version of the report named OSI-94-2.TXT in the GAO-REPORTS anonymous FTP directory at NIH (ftp.cu.nih.gov) Joe Sokalski, GAO--Los Angeles kh3(a)cu.nih.gov ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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FTP site for t-shirt design
by Christian Void 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I forgot to put this in the last post... Our t-shirt design, as well as any other designs people come up will be available at netcom.com: ~pub/cvoid/cypherpunks. All files should be in *.gif format. Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | V/M/Research, Inc. cvoid(a)netcom.com | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-807-5491 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117-0213 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger *

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T-Shirt Update
by Christian Void 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay. I have compiled a list of people interested in the shirt...If you are not on the list, and are interested, mail me. As for a design, we have a design we are working with, available (a rough draft) via anon ftp. If you have a better idea, or would like to take a crack at designing it, let me know and we can put these designs up as well. A sort of "vote for the best design". Also, Jef Poskanzer (jef(a)netcom.com) has given us permission to use his DOT crypto warning sign, if someone would like to incorporate that into thier idea. We will be finishing up our design over the next week, and working cost, sizes, etc. I'll keep you posted. Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | V/M/Research, Inc. cvoid(a)netcom.com | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-807-5491 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117-0213 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger *

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Momma's boy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<ahem> ...."Lawrence?" From: jim(a)rand.org (Jim Gillogly) Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Date: 5 Dec 1993 21:58:36 GMT Organization: Banzai Institute Message-ID: <2dtlic$naj(a)rand.org> References: <dasherCHH3Ey.J1F(a)netcom.com> <tcmayCHH6MA.Mzw(a)netcom.com> <Dec04.105319.36526(a)yuma.acns.colostate.edu> In article <Dec04.105319.36526(a)yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, L. Detweiler <ld231782(a)casco.lance.colostate.edu> wrote: >oh, BTW Mr. May, when did you decide my first name was Larry and not Lance? >You called me Lance for 10 months or so on the cypherpunks list. Given that somebody using your account in '91 posted an article to sci.crypt about factoring under the name "Lawrence Detweiler", I suppose that either Larry or Lance might be a reasonable guess... if perhaps overly familiar. What nickname do you prefer, if any? Does this make me a pseudopod of the ubiquitous anonymous organism? Will Suicide Squid come out of retirement to counter this new evil? Is L. Detweiler the Colo State equivalent of C-MU's Harry Q. Bovick? The world wonders... -- Jim Gillogly Hevensday, 15 Foreyule S.R. 1993, 21:58

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Security (Encryption) Corps
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To interupt the Monster in the name of Cypherpatriot Activity... I plan on starting up a security and consulting firm over the next few months. A great deal of what we will address are practical applications of crypto technology. Due to the fact that pre-LD experience with this list has showed a great deal of impressive peole or net.entities out there, I would like those interested in getting involved with an upstart (and yet comprehensive) corporation to contact me. The corporation will deal with all aspects of information security including telco product security, data integrity, data security, communication security, and general computer consultations. If you are interested, or have any ideas you think are ready for commercialization, let me know. Cypherpunks Start Corporations! (No longer merely write code). --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ In defense of liberty, encrypt for all purposes, civil and professional. In defense of privacy, encrypt all correspondence, personal and professional. In defense of sanity, do not encrypt your dry cleaning invoice! ++++++++--------mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu (c)1993

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Pabo and Interception
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This from the state department, -> COLOMBIA 12/02/93 SC14249 MORE ON ESCOBAR DEATH MEDELLIN, ANTIOQUIA DEPARTMENT REUTERS REPORTED THAT POLICE AND TROOPS SHOT AND KILLED FUGITIVE DRUG LORD PABLO ESCOBAR ON THURSDAY AFTER A FURIOUS ROOFTOP SHOOT-OUT IN MEDELLIN'S LAS AMERICAS SUBURB. (ALSO SEE THE OTHER DECEMBER 2 REPORTS.) WITNESSES AT THE HOUSE WHERE ESCOBAR WAS KILLED SAID THEY HAD SEEN THE BEARDED FUGITIVE ATTEMPTING TO FLEE ACROSS THE ROOF BEFORE SECURITY FORCES OPENED FIRE. ESCOBAR'S BROTHER-IN-LAW CARLOS MARIO HENAO WAS ALSO KILLED IN THE SHOOT-OUT. ESCOBAR HAD BEEN ON THE RUN SINCE ESCAPING FROM JAIL IN JULY 1992, ALONG WITH NINE OF HIS ASSOCIATES. POLICE CAUGHT UP WITH HIM AFTER A 16-MONTH SEARCH BECAUSE OF A FATAL MISTAKE -- A TELEPHONE CALL TO HIS FAMILY ON WEDNESDAY, ESCOBAR'S 44TH BIRTHDAY. ELECTRONIC MONITORING EQUIPMENT ALLOWED POLICE TO PINPOINT THE LOCATION OF THE CALL AND MOUNT THE OPERATION IN SECRECY, SURROUNDING ESCOBAR'S HIDEOUT WITH SHARPSHOOTERS. WITHIN HOURS OF THE DRUG LORD'S DEATH, ESCOBAR'S 17-YEAR-OLD SON VOWED REVENGE AND HIS MOTHER PREDICTED THAT "HORRIBLE THINGS" WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THE YOUNGER ESCOBAR LATER SAID HE WAS REACTING OUT OF GRIEF AND WAS NOT ISSUING THREATS. <- I don't know where the babble about calling a radio station came from, but this caught my eye as it seems to be the "offical" state department word on the topic. -uni- (Dark)

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Re: Digicash question
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One problem with your proposal is that at *some* point you want to be able to get *real* cash for your digicash - at that point you've got to give the bank the password, but also an account to deposit the cash into (or equivalent), and at that point the bank can compare it with the original owner of the bill. You not only have to trust them to not rip off the money, you have to trust them to not give away the information, which may be tough if the government requires it. Another problem is that: Suppose Alice gives the password to Bob, who gives it to Carol, and then Alice spends the cash before Carol can get it - you don't know if Alice or Bob ripped you off. Alice could also try spending it before Bob deposits it, but that's an issue for any offline cash protocol, though this appears to give you less protection. Different denominations aren't much of a problem - you need something like that anyway. Having each separate coin have a separate number registered with the bank is somewhat more annoying than some of Chaum's schemes, where you could prove the coin had been signed by the bank but the bank didn't (and couldn't) track the coins. Another trusting-the-bank problem is what happens if the government comes to you and says "Alice is a drug dealer (mushrooms?) - give us the passwords for all her digicash, and if she's given them to anyone else, we can still forfeit them because the law lets us confiscate them after she's spent them, just like stolen goods." In Chaum's case, that's explicitly impossible. (In the cases that led to Swiss Banking Secrecy laws, the crime wasn't "drugs",it was "being Jewish".) Similarly, even if the bank as a whole is honest, there may be employees trying to embezzle the funds - tough to prevent in your approach. Bill Stewart

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