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SAFE
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bible Revelations 13:17: "And no man shall be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast..." God

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unSAFE won't pass?
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, does anybody besides me think these crypto bills aren't going anywhere? I still think it's just a trick to get the original bill killed. No way are most congresscritters going to vote for this with all the opposition that's coming out. Just my opinion... "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Kaczynski attempts suicide
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I don't get it. The guy is facing the death penalty, and now they're >trying to keep him alive. It's typical government arrogance. They can kill but nobody else can. And they demand that when they consider murdering somebody that the target not murder himself. Stupidity.

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More Drug Raids
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Every day there are news reports like this. Sometimes the targets of the raid die, as in Malibu, sometimes they shoot back and kill some narcs, sometimes the story gets downplayed, sometimes a new libertarian is made. In this story, note especially the line about: "They were told that if they refused, they would be put in handcuffs, a search warrant would be issued, and their belongings would be tossed into the middle of their rooms." In these Beknighted States of Amerika, any assertion of Constitutional rights is met with toilet plungers. Meanwhile, the LEAs scream for more helicopters, more drug-sniffing dogs, more Bradley fighting vehicles, more Nomex ninja suits, more M-16s, and more toilet plungers. ==begin article== ".c The Associated Press LEE, Mass. (AP) - A federal drug agent publicly apologized Thursday for raiding the home of a local building inspector on the mistaken suspicion he was a marijuana trafficker. A spokesman for the couple said, however, they were awaiting a personal apology and intended to press forward with complaints. "This is the all-American family. If it could happen to them, it could happen to anybody," said state Rep. Chris Hodgkins, a relative who acted as their spokesman Thursday. "They are law-abiding citizens, and I'm very, very sorry this happened," said George Fester, the agent in charge of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration's operations in New England. Daniel Keenan, who serves as building inspector in Lee and neighboring Stockbridge, said he was reading the newspaper in his front yard on Sept. 5, with his son playing nearby, when six state and federal officers drove up in separate cars. The agents told him they had reason to believe that 300 pounds of marijuana had been in his garage. Keenan said the agents didn't have a search warrant, but he signed a consent form allowing the house and garage to be searched. They were told that if they refused, they would be put in handcuffs, a search warrant would be issued, and their belongings would be tossed into the middle of their rooms, Hodgkins said. The agents claimed to have video showing a drug delivery to the house. As neighbors and the couple's three young children gathered to watch, the agents used a drug-sniffing dog to search the house and garage. After a fruitless two-hour search, they left. But the agents said they might return for further interrogation. Festa said an internal investigation was under way to determine just how the Keenans came to be targeted. He said he was sending a regional supervisor to talk to the family and also planned to make a personal visit to apologize. Hodgkins acknowledged that two agents had returned earlier to the house to discuss the raid with the family, but he said they refused to apologize in front of the children. "I want to know how they came to the conclusion this house was the house, how they came to be so wrong," Keenan's wife, Laurie, said Thursday. "We're concerned about the shadow of doubt this has created around us." "We had these cowboys of DEA agents violating their rights," Hodgkins said. "The kids were terrified. Everybody's still terrified." He said he was writing complaints on behalf of the family to U.S. Attorney Donald Stern and state Attorney General Scott Harshbarger. AP-NY-09-11-97 1835EDT ==end article==

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Sorry to bother
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

what's the adress to send subscriptions to? Greets, Remo Pini ----------------------------------------------------- Fate favors the prepared mind. (from "Under Siege 3") ----------------------------------------------------- Remo Pini T: +41 1 350 28 88 Pini Computer Trading N: +41 79 216 15 51 http://www.rpini.com/ E: rp(a)rpini.com key: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/remopini.asc -----------------------------------------------------

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The Bad Lie / Re: in defense on Lon Horiuchi
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chief Cypherpunks Spokesperson, Anonymous wrote: > In any case, it wasn't really my intention to "compare" the deeds of > Horiuchi and McVeigh. I was merely noting that the defense of > Horiuchi by Herr Direktor Freeh could have been used nearly > verbatim in McVeigh's behalf. As you've pointed out, though, there > /is/ that crucial difference though, isn't there? One of them has a > badge and gets paid by the taxpayers, which makes him a "policeman." My other brother, Anonymous, points out something obvious but often forgotten, since "respect for authority" has been ingrained in us much more than we are generally aware of. "The winner makes the rules." is a truism, and it has a corollary: "So does the tyrant." But nobody ever seems to 'announce' that they are a tyrant. Chairman Mao wasn't a tyrant. Abraham Lincoln wasn't a tyrant. Sadaam Hussein isn't a tyrant. Bill Clinton isn't a tyrant. Well, OK, maybe _some_ of them are tyrants, but only after they are gone, and even then, it depends on who the next winner is. If the winner is, "My other brother, Sadaam." then there is a difference, not just in history, but in the present, from what officially recognized reality is when "My other brother, the-US-backed-shill." is the winner. Many people are impressed with themselves for their brilliance in being able to recognize the truth someone else pointed out, "The winners write history." I am more impressed with people who realize that the winners also write the present. And even more impressed with those who realize that one of the great scourges of our age is that winners *rewrite* the present. We live in the age of the Spin Doctor. Our generation has evolved past the Big Lie, to the 1/2 Lie, to the Bad Lie. We used to be content to smear our enemies with the Big Lie, so that we could round up the Communists and not let them work to feed themself and their families. Then we advanced to the 1/2 Lie, where we would give lip service to freedom of religion/politics and merely subtly discriminate against Communists if they applied for a job. Now we have graduated to the Big Lie, where there are no Communists. A test you can take in the comfort of your own home: Question #1: Yoo hoo! Anybody know what that huge country over there with the billions of people and the nuclear warheads is called? Can you say 'China?' Sure you can... Why is Communist nuclear power, China, not a threat, as the Russians were? Because those in power don't _need_ them to be a threat, right now. How can a country with that many potential consumers possibly be a threat? Look for them to *become* a threat very quickly if they nationalize the McDonald's franchises. Question #2: Who are the 'good' guys? Right! *Our* guys! <trumpets blare> <crowd cheers> <banners fly> Moments In History: WacoShima & RubySaki Remember? When all those Japanese committed suicide when they saw the nuclear bombs coming? For those of you too young to remember this event, it was similar to when all of those Branch Davidians committed suicide when the military tanks sent to 'save' them began firing chemicals and explosives into the Waco complex to get rid of the mosquitos so that the rescue team wouldn't get bitten. The Bad News: DoubleSpeak has come and gone, replaced by the Bad Lie. The Bad Lies: "I didn't inhale." "I don't recall." (dropping the bomb/shooting the child/seeing the money) "It is a 'Police Action,' not a War" "Peace Keeping Force" "It's a 'PeaceMaker', not an 'Instrument of Doom.'" "I promise not to cum in your wallet." "Democracy." And Even As We Speak: Newsworld - CBC (TV) - "Four federal inquiries have found no evidence of price-fixing in the gasoline industry." News Flash!!! New study finds Big Oil Executives psychic! All change prices at the same time, with no collusion. [Please excuse me for a moment, while I PgUp to remind myself what this post is about.] Oh, yeah... > In any case, it wasn't really my intention to "compare" the deeds of > Horiuchi and McVeigh. I was merely noting that the defense of > Horiuchi by Herr Direktor Freeh could have been used nearly > verbatim in McVeigh's behalf. As you've pointed out, though, there > /is/ that crucial difference though, isn't there? One of them has a > badge and gets paid by the taxpayers, which makes him a "policeman." Kevin McHale, Boston Celtic, replying to comment by reporter that his teammate, Danny Ainge, was considered the biggest asshole on the pro basketball circuit: "Yeah...but he's *our* asshole." Say what you want about Waco, but parking ticket payments skyrocketed after the event. Say what you want about Ruby Ridge, but fewer people have missed court appearances for their parking tickets, since then. Say what you want about Jim Bell, but now there is hardly anyone on the Cypherpunks mailing list running around, saying, "NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! NUKE DC! " NON-APOLOGY FOR LONG POSTS -------------------------- 80's Rocker, on the 'new music': "People don't have time for twenty minute guitar solo's anymore, man. They've gotta *be* somewhere." Note to Zooko: My other brother, Anonymous, may be a "vile slander", but he is *our* vile slanderer. Note to 'my other brother, Anonymous': But if Zooko hadn't ripped into you, one of us would have. We're Cypherpunks! The Bad Lie ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hand me the nine-iron."

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Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I'm just pointing out that we saw this situation several years ago with >Clipper. The list was, predictably, sidetracked with literally thousands of >suggestions about how best to recruit more public supporters. T-shirts, >gimmicks, and suggestions for songs about crypto, for getting t.v. >producers to put crypto, pro-privacy themes in their t.v. shows, and so on. >All pretty hopeless, wouldn't you say? Why do you say that? Clipper was defeated. People all over the net united and opposed it. Now there is this new threat, but at least defeating Clipper bought some time. There is no reason the same thing can't happen again. Sometimes I think cypherpunks *want* crypto to be outlawed. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Thanks from NIST
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:05:56 -0600 From: someone(a)somewhere.nist.gov To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Thanks Thanks for the warning about SAFE. I was too suspicious of the way government works to send any supporting mail and now you have confirmed my reasoning.

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test
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lag test

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test
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lag test

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