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RE: OFFSHORE DIGITAL BANKS
by Claborne, Chris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> > Subject: OFFSHORE DIGITAL BANKS [SANDY SANDFORT wrote] > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > Chris Claborne wrote: > > I guess it boils down to this, we have to have someone > that we can trust. The issue of currency conversion > would also be a new one for me. Would my money be > Swiss? If the transaction gos south, what do I do, I am > no longer covered by US law and would have no proof that > this transaction ever took place (remember, no one can > ask the bank for records). Hmmmm > > Your money in a Swiss based bank would be Swiss if that's what > you wanted. Almost certainly, you would have additional options > for your "unit of accounting." > > Though US law might not help you, it is not true to say that "no > one can ask the bank for records." You can. The proof that a > transaction (such as a deposit) took place, is the digitally > signed receipt you get from the bank. It is VERY good proof. > If I my e-note instructed the bank to deposit some funds into a numbered account of my supplier, then I have no proof that that transaction was actually going to supplier X. Remember, one of the requirements by cypherpunks is to mask (if desired) where money is going. Even if I used the supplier's name on the e-note instructions, how could I prove that the name on the note and said supplier are the same? The only thing I could have PROOF of is that I spent N ammount of money. ... __o .. -\<, chris.claborne(a)sandiegoca.ncr.com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 PGP Pub Key fingerprint = A8 FA 55 92 23 20 72 69 52 AB 64 CC C7 D9 4F CA Avail on Pub Key server.

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Re: CHAUM CHIMES IN
by cme＠ellisun.sw.stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: 08 Sep 93 16:30:55 EDT >From: Sandy <72114.1712(a)CompuServe.COM> >Subject: CHAUM CHIMES IN >Message-Id: <930908203054_72114.1712_FHF95-2(a)CompuServe.COM> ..From: > SANDY SANDFORT Reply to: ssandfort(a)attmail.com [ . . . ] >Of course, the next letter to the editor calls for the adoption >of systems to track every vehicle at all times. The genius who >wrote the letter, thinks it would be a good way to prevent >nuclear, biological or chemical terrorism. Geeeeez. It was signed by Dorothy Denning, right? Actually, they should take that to its full conclusion. We need implants in every individual, broadcasting to the local surveillance agency, giving not only location but also every word spoken in the vicinity. It could also do a chemical analysis of the air in the neighborhood. It should also have a radiation counter. It should also monitor the host body, looking for signs of anger or sexual arousal? How else will we be guaranteed safe from mad bombers, rapists and child molesters? How else will our big budget LE agencies be able to protect us? I know. When it's finally adopted, worldwide, they'll call it the Ellison Plan. :-( - Carl

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Free Money
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In response to outside pressure, Swiss bankers have abandoned their traditional secrecy laws and published a list of all bank accounts opened by non-Swiss citizens prior to May 9th, 1945, the end of World War II. This list and instructions for claiming your share of the millions of dollars offered may be found at... http://www.dormantaccounts.ch/ Happy browsing. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Re: Public-Key Crypto Toolkit
by Timothy Newsham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> THUS SPAKE Mike Ingle <MIKEINGLE(a)delphi.com>: > # Any ideas as > # to what language/method would be best for implementing a PK toolbox? This > # could really get the "Cypherpunks write code" ideal moving. Anyone want to > # help? > > Yeah, let's write some code! > > "TCL" is my language of choice for this -- it was designed specifically > for wrapping other libraries and embedding inside other tools. good choice, I think a crypto library written for TCL or TCL/TK would be nice. > I've been wanting to build the crypto-toolkit, too, and have started with RSAREF wrappers. > > There's a nice TCP module for TCL that lets you implement clients and > servers. There's also the "TK" X-windows toolkit, for seamless graphical > interfaces to TCL stuff. > > Ftp to sprite.berkeley.edu and ftp down TCL or TK (which will include TCL). > (A lot of people may suggest perl, but perl was designed with a different > set of goals in mind.) I havent had alot of luck getting different add ons compiled for tcl/tk, perhaps because I use one of the newer versions of tcl, the tcp module was one of them. > strick > strick(a)versant.com What we need most of all is an interface. This is basically what you are proposing. Since tcl add-ons are usually written in C I think it would be best off to start with a C library calling interface. Once this is made, you could build a tcl shell (or a wish shell) on top of it. I expressed what I would like to see in a C library interface a few days ago. It would be based on PGP routines and the PGP "shell" would be re-implemented over it. I have gotten no feedback on the idea at all. Are there any members of the PGP team on this list? If not how could I get in touch with them? This is an idea I really would like to see done, and which would pave the way to coding alot of applications and interfaces to PGP. I would gladly work on such a project myself, but I am afraid if I do my code will be both un-exportable and non standard and will hence go unused. ...

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Brit Fascists To Track Motorists
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I see on the news that the British Government are installing cameras with OCR capabilities throughout London so that they can track all the cars which pass by. Of course this is only to track 'terrorists and car thieves', not ordinary law-abiding citizens, no, no, no, not at all, guvnor, so that's all right. And don't worry about all those reports that the British Police Force is full of corrupt officers who the superiors can't fire. I wonder why no-one in the media has pointed out that terrorists and car thieves, being, after all, criminals, will have no qualms about strapping on false plates. Oh, but I guess it will catch 'stupid' terrorists and criminals, so that's all right after all. Odd that this was announced the same day as other annoucements of the British Government joining an EU-wide system to track millions of European subversives (including, apparently, those who have been to rock concerts?). I bet it's just one of them coincidences... SpyMonger

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Rating online content can work
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since the Supreme Court said the online world should be as free as print, and no self-labeling system exists for magazines or newspapers, why should the Net be any different? I don't believe that a self-rating system is either practical or desirable. Enactment of any laws to put teeth into Internet self-ratings will almost certainly run afoul of Constitutional challenges, and without such laws compliance and thus widespread acceptance is unlikely. Quite full of youself, aren't you Mr. Barr? I have no doubt that the definition of what qualifies as a bona fide news organization is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly would not class CNET with any of the major US newspapers, magazines nor the WSJ. Be careful where you tread, lest CNET and other Internet Content Coalition members be judged as relatively no more than garage-shop operations unworthy of the protections you so clearly covet. --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear (N7ZEZ) | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com 7075 West Gowan Road | Voice: 1-702-658-2654 Suite 2148 | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 Las Vegas, NV 89129 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Standard Headers for Anonymous Remailers
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <9309210809.AA08533(a)jobe.shell.portal.com> pierre(a)shell.portal.com writes: > > of the net community responds to wider access to anonymity by filtering out > > anonymous mail, my prediction (and suggestion :) is that people [...] > > will resort to mail which is non-obviously anonymous. Just to let you know, this *is* happening. I got so pissed off at the postings here from anonymous remailers that I've now put them in my kill file. (I gate this stuff into a local newsgroup and read it with a newsreader). Actually it wasn't the content of the articles that narked me, it was that I actually wanted to *reply* to the authors. However the subjects were way too off-topic to be worth responding to in public, which is the only option the anonymous remailers allows. I've no objections (and haven't kill'd) articles from penet etc that I can reply to. I'm not entirely happy with the whole concept of 'hit&run' anonymous remailers - they're only good for throwaway comments on public lists, or whistleblowing. That's not how they're being used - they're forcing people to have private conversations in public lists like this, which I think is unfair to the rest of the list community - I'm *sure* it's contributed to the number of people dropping off this list lately. G -- Personal mail to gtoal(a)gtoal.com (I read it in the evenings) Business mail to gtoal(a)an-teallach.com (Be careful with the spelling!) Faxes to An Teallach Limited: +44 31 662 4678 Voice: +44 31 668 1550 x212

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Master Key: A Clipper Story
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For god's sake, how many copies of this trash are we going to get? If you're going to use anonymous remailers to mailbomb our list, at least learn to use them properly and just send us one copy! That makes three so far - two of them via the same remailer even! G PS To the person who was bragging about using a spelling checker to hide his anonymity, erm... have a closer look at your post, buddy! I don't think it would take more than 10 minutes with an index of all usenet postings over the last month or two to find you :) -- Personal mail to gtoal(a)gtoal.com (I read it in the evenings) Business mail to gtoal(a)an-teallach.com (Be careful with the spelling!) Faxes to An Teallach Limited: +44 31 662 4678 Voice: +44 31 668 1550 x212

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Re: Alt.Gvmt.Bad.Bad.Bad
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Michael Conlen: Theft could be from thoes who do not protect there property and from thoes who do not respect others property, so can it also be said that 'bad government' can be from people not protecting there rights and people who have no respect for the rights of others? ............................................................... What should really be said is that theft does not happen of its own accord; someone must decide to accomplish the so-called criminal act. To describe theft as the result of another's inaction is to imply that human action of any kind is mostly automatic, that there is a pull like gravity which will cause action upon intelligence the way gravity affects inanimate objects, and that nothing better could be or should be expected from it. It is also to imply that the possession of intelligence is negligible because any opportunity for taking advantage of another's vulnerability will be irresistible to humans, as if they were basically scavengers looking for the spoils of other people's negligence. In which case, rather than speaking of bad government, the subject should be a question on the existence of intelligence & the possibility for morality. I don't know who would be qualified to discuss it, though, without the possession of the one and an appreciation of the other. Blanc

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Revisionist History of the US....:( (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by chen(a)intuit.com (Mark Chen) on Thu, 1 Sep 4:47 PM >This country's >"progress" is really just a series of grudging >concessions made by authoritarian power structures to >various nearly catastrophic crises. > >Good observation about periodicity, Jim, but I'd say >that the typical span is much shorter than 100 years. Jim and Mark, Sound remarks about domestic upheavals. Parallel to these, it should be added that internal strife has declined as US foreign interventions have increased. From Teddy Roosevelt forward, whenever domestic strain builds, there just happens to be an urgent matter somewhere else that needs patriotic attention to our "national interests". Soothing, addictive, social and economic bribes flow from warmaking -- industrial growth, jobs, education, research, technological advances. A bitching citizenry is a happy citizenry where domestic Government affairs are concerned, but the most obedient people are those united against a foreign foe. Lesson 1 of world affairs leadership. John

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