- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

Re: what is a law if it cant be enforced?
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As long as it can be selectivley enforced, that's all they need. Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: cypherpunks cc: From: mrwilhe @ odin.cmp.ilstu.edu @ smtp Date: 12/30/96 07:43:01 PM Subject: what is a law if it cant be enforced? can our gov possibly enforce this crypto law? --esp over the net? I think what happend is the dod released the net (arpanet/Internet) to the people without looking at the implications that could arise. The people now control the net and not the gov--and they don't like it! anyway our government is ruled by the people for the people--so we should not have any kind of special laws--ones that only apply to the net and not the rest of the world, after all we have a thing called free speech! fsh

1 0

Musical Instruments WELCOME TO INTERNET'S BEST FULL LINE MUSIC STORE
by mozart＠asianet.net.hk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We supply worldwide the EXACT SAME musical instruments & accessories that one can purchase from the local importers, wholesalers, stores, and teachers, BUT FOR LESS! 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEED! We stock US$ millions in all types of musical instruments and accessories from more 3,000 manufacturers. Orders may be placed in any quantity mix, and shipped directly to you. No minimum orders! For DETAILS, mailto:mozart@asianet.net.hk a BLANK message ONLY and type "INFO" in the SUBJECT HEADER. We sincerely apologize if this is an unwanted e-mail. Please hit REPLY and type "REMOVE" in the SUBJECT area and SEND to be removed from this list. _ _ _ _ / \ -A ll brands/models |\___ALAMO__|_|_|_(__MUSIC LTD._//\ \ -L argest selection |/----//---[!|!|!]-----\\-------\\/ / -A ll credit cards [| (L|O|W|E|S|T) |] \_/ -M ost traffic site \\=(P|R|I|C|E|S)=// -O ne-Stop Cyber Shop \\__|*|*|*|____// [_]_[_]

1 0

Re: Zippy, anonymously
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:18 PM 12/31/96 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml > >Let Zippy provide you with web service. Chaining through the >anonymizer works, too. :) A suggested page is: http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/zippy.mhtml/http://www.nsa.gov:8080/dirn… Pretty damn funny! (At least the version I got...) --- | If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

1 0

Re: Hardening lists against spam attacks
by tmcghan＠gill-simpson.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto wrote: > {snip} the source of any excessive increase could be put on 'hold' > until the system operator has a chance to check on the validity > Bill Frantz wrote: > > > > The Christmas attack against this list shows the need to develop lists > > which are resistant to attacks. ...and how long has Usenet had 'moderated' newsgroups? ( only as long as there have been individuals with the time and patience to screen the volume of input, and exercise thoughtful discretion in selecting the 'worthy' postings.) How smart an 'automatic' filter can clever folks design? for(;;) { ECM; ECCM; } Thomas M. McGhan tmcghan(a)gill-simpson.com http://www.gill-simpson.com voice: (410) 467-3335 fax: (410) 235-6961 pagenet: (410) 716-1342 cellular: (410) 241-9113 ICBM: 39.395N 76.469W

1 0

Re: Hardening lists against spam attacks
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:58 PM 12/30/1996, Bill Frantz wrote: > The Christmas attack against this list shows the need to develop lists > which are resistant to attacks. If cyberspace is to become the town square > of the next century, we need to be able to discourage brown shirts attacks > on political gatherings. If lists are to be a major part of the political > life of the community, then they must be resistant to attacks from > knowledgeable, well financed attackers, not just the shits who were the > most recent perps. > [Fine posting token proposal deleted.] The easiest and fastest solution is to set up toad.com to charge a dollar per message. (Proceeds to be spent by John Gilmore as he sees fit.) We can then leverage off the existing e-cash infrastructure which already provides blinding software for free on all major platforms. What I like about this scheme is that well-financed attackers will be welcomed. A spam attack just means that John can buy more sushi! (I volunteer to modify majordomo to accept e-cash if there is enough interest in this proposal.) Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

1 0

Booms, busts and cranks
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

by Terence Corcoran "ONCE again the holidays and other sources of good cheer, including a growing economy and rising stock markets, have been wrecked by the annual Maclean's/CBC News poll. In this annual national survey, the majority of Canadians express generally sensible views on most issues--less government isn't so bad, a bigger role for the private sector is good, debt reduction hasn't gone far enough, private health care is acceptable, as are multiracial immigration ... ... "An accompanying Maclean's story on the looming expansion of the private sector is mostly an anti-business report that chastises companies for layoffs and mean-spirited bottom-line thinking. The problem, it claims, is the failure to hold companies responsible for anything other than maximizing shareholder value, a popular theme among statists who have run out of state. http://web.theglobeandmail.com/web/cgi-bin/ DisplayPage?SITE=web&KEY=961231.ROBColumn.RCORC

1 0

Re: Just another government fuckover: New crypto regulation
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 31 Dec 96 at 13:56, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > "Cypher punks" write stupid racist flames and postmaster complaints, > not code. Yes, and they are sad that ebonics IS NOT going to be a course taught in school. I spoke with a source at the Oakland School District who said they would not allow papers to be turned in written in ebonics. It is just an effort for educators to better understand how their students may communicate. So everyone who liked Tim May's fake sarcasm are now sad that they made fools of themselves. > > > I am not "here" - I've been unsubscribed by the head censor, > cocksucker John Gilmore at the request of Ray Arachelian and Timmy > May. They're "here" to harrass and to flame and they don't want > followups from the victims of their harrassment. You are correct, there Doctor! Just look at what just happened to me. > > > Freedom for whom, or from whom? I have no great despect for Abraham > "I freed who?" Lincoln, but I like the quote from him: "Those who > deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." > Some folks on this mailing list remind me of hardcore communists > that believe that orthodix marxism works, and everyone who tried and > failed to implement it, was perverting marx's ideas. > U.S.constitution was an instrument of class warfare. > > Yes, let's see some more "dissidents" unsubscribed! Let's see some > more mailbombs and postmaster complaints! Let's see punitive action > in response to speech! That's all "cypher punks" are good for. > Yes, Yes, Yes! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

2 1

Re: Hardening lists against spam attacks
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:04 AM 12/31/1996, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > There is a simple solution to keeping anonymous posters anonymous > under this or any similar scheme. Volunteers could act as > "gateways" for anonymous posts. Self-selected list members could > announce that they would forward anonymous posts using one of > their own tokens for the purpose. (In the alternative, the > gateway volunteers could be given extra tokens solely for that > purpose.) Would this expose the posters to liability? Unlike an anonymous remailer, they are deciding what to post. In the case of software, criminal liability result. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

2 1

RE: Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the m...
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: RE: Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the masses ( vipul(a)pobox.com wrote: >*** Iranian clergic attacks Internet as 'poison' to the masses >A senior Iranian cleric called Friday for restricting Internet access >because the global computer network fed "poison" to the masses. I have seen this article elsewhere, and the sentiment is not as nefarious as it sounds. You may know that many Arabic and Persian countries have a heavy exposure to French. In this case, the confusion arises due to the similarity between the English "poison" and the French "poisson" which means fish. Restated, the problem is that the Internet is feeding "fish" to the masses in the form of information, hence the masses are not feeding themselves. A similar English adage is: Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life. As the mullah implies, we need to help people to increase their critical thinking skills, rather than passively accept what others tell them via the Internet. Start now. James

2 1

Re: Old Russian Orthography
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji <yamato(a)YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP> writes: > Hello friends, a Happy New Year to you all. Thank you! And a Happy New Year to you too. <very interesting stuff - near year's present? - skipped> > Incidentally, I wonder how one can transliterate oldish Russian alphabets? > I am sure fita should be "th", but as to dotted i and jat', I haven't got > the faintest idea. I remember seeing an old Library of Congress transliteration table where jat' was transliterated as e with some accent, and dotted i was an i with some accent. I took a quick look on my shelf and can't find it now. (LOC is not a good scheme, since one can't always recover the original from it. :-) The U.S.G. Printing Office manual seems to suggest that one translates into the new orthography before transliterating (fita to f, dotted i and izhitsa to i, yat' to e or yo). This may lead to an occasional problem: suppose you have an index alphabetized according to the old rules: ib.. ik... (regular i) ia... ie... (dotted i before another vowel) If you fold dotted i into i, you'll be looking for 'ia' before 'ib'. Ditto for yat', which came much later than e in the collating sequence.

1 0