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Computer Show Invittion
by fred34＠netsix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ mailto: (fred34(a)netsix.com) with REM0VE in the subject if you do not wish to receive tickets for future shows. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1286 B ++++++++++ Dear Computer User Hello My name is Fred Hansen of the Robert Austin Computer Show Corporation. I would like to extend to you a personal invitation to come to the San Francisco Bay Area to attend the Computer Show at the OAKLAND CONVENTION CENTER Saturday Nov. 8, 1997. The show hours are 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM There is NO CHARGE FOR ADMISSION. This show is THE place to find the latest equipment and information for COMPUTER USE and the INTERNET. It is Northern California's largest computer Computer Show with wholesale prices available to the public. +++++++++++++++ 1286 B +++++++++++++++++++++++ To save 20% to 50% on your Holiday PC Purchases check the values found at: http://www.tradespace.com/rasindex.html Come to the show and meet the the Show Co-Sponsor TradeSpace Inc. for more great values. +++++++++++++++ 1286 B +++++++++++++++++++++++ Approximately 50 computer dealers and manufacturers assemble at this facility to present their products to you. These vendors compete with each other to bring you the very latest technology and selection at the lowest possible prices. Seminars are held by major INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS to answer questions for you. If you are interested in PURCHASING COMPUTER EQUIPMENT or accessing the INTERNET you should attend this show and see for yourself. For show information on the web Visit us at http://www.robertaustin.com Bookmark this site to get up to the minute show information and directions. Email me back (mailto: fred34(a)netsix.com) and let me know what you think after you see the show. I am looking for your input regarding seminar topics and other items you would like to see in future shows. If you have questions please visit our web site at http://www.robertaustin.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1286 B ++++ Please make as many copies of this ticket as needed and BRING YOUR FRIENDS to the show with copies of this ticket. Fill this ticket out and bring it for your PRE REGISTERED admission. It can be used for either of the following two COMPUTER SHOWS. No further registration is required. OAKLAND CONVENTION CENTER 10th and Broadway, Down Town Oakland in the Beautiful Marriott Hotel Nov. 8, 1997 Nov. 29, 1997 COW PALACE Geneva and Santos in Daly City Nov. 22, 1997 Lower Level enter Gate 5 Dec. 13, 1997 Lower Level enter Gate 5 (Ticket Below) Cut Ticket Here>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Name__________________________________________________ Address ________________________________________________ City ________________________ State _______ Zip ___________ Telephone ______________________________________________ Email address ___________________________________________ Age ___ Sex ___ Annual household income _____k$ Do you own a computer Y/N ____ Business use Y/N ___ Home use Y/N ____ Are you satisfied with your Internet service Y/N __ (Ticket Above) Cut Ticket Here>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = +++++++++ WHAT YOU WILL SEE ++++++++++++++++++++++1273 B 1 ++++++ BUSINESS COMPUTER AND INTERNET USE If you use the computer or Internet at your company this is the place to learn about them and buy. DON'T PAY RETAIL PRICES FOR YOUR COMPUTER NEEDS. FABULOUS PRICES--- 40 Companies all bringing their best selection of merchandise and selling at rock bottom prices. DON'T MISS THE BARGAINS. NO LOWER COMPUTER PRICES IN THE BAY AREA. Wholesale to the public. Save up to 90% on new name brand equipment. COMPARE AND SAVE with the Show Co-Sponsor Tradespace Inc. To save 20% to 50% on your Holiday PC Purchases check the values found at: http://www.tradespace.com/rasindex.html Come to the show and meet the the Show Co-Sponsor TradeSpace Inc. for more great values. HARDWARE Huge selection of computer systems, and accessories are rock bottom prices SOFTWARE You will not find a better selection of computer software including CD ROM's anywhere, being sold at prices that you must see to believe. BOOKS FOR COMPUTER AND INTERNET Webster books is bringing the largest selection ever of computer and Internet Books to the show. Over 10,000 volumes are being sold at wholesale prices (20% off list) HUGE SELECTION --- 40 Companies bring their best selection of products and latest technology for you to see. BAY AREAS LARGEST COMPUTER SHOW FREE INTERNET SEMINARS -- These seminars will provide you with the latest information on Internet topics. Come and talk face to face with the technical people from the Bay Areas Premiere Internet Service Providers. LATEST TECHNOLOGY -- These shows bring you together with the manufacturers that are introducing the very latest advances in technology. EXPERT ASSISTANCE -- Are you tired of purchasing products from stores with clerks that have no product knowledge. Each of the vendors has personal knowledge of their products for immediate answers to your questions. +++++++++++ SEMINAR SCHEDULE +++++++++++++++1286 B ++++++++++ 10:30 Beginners Internet. - Everything you need to know to get started on the Internet. 11:30 Web Authoring.-How to build a web site using Microsoft Front Page 97. See live demos of web pages being built before your eyes. 12:30 Business Internet Use - Connecting your business to the Internet, ISDN, T1, Dedicated and dial up access, Connecting your office network to the Internet, Multiple Internet E-mail Accounts. 1:30 E-Commerce "Secure Financial Transactions" 2:30 Web Authoring.-How to build a web site using Microsoft Front Page 97. See live demos of web pages being built before your eyes. These seminars are presented by SLIP.NET for the computer show attendee at NO CHARGE. Join the Internet revolution. Attend to learn how. Looking forward to seeing you. Best Regards fred34(a)netsix.com Fred Hansen ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1286 B ++++

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Re: Databasix conspiracy theories
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >My point being that a remailer operator has no way of knowing what >the ultimate effect of *any* filtering/blocking will be. (Unless you >read all of the email, like I do as the 'Bad Remailer' operator.) If you are going to run a remailer, you had better expect that some of the people who use it aren't going to be your friends. >It has been my experience that the 'Fear of Spam/Abuse' is beginning >to be the controlling factor in the usefulness, or lack thereof, of >an increasing number of remailers. And this has to be the lowest pressure attack on remailers that there can be. God forbid anybody should try for real to shut down the remailer network. This is understandable - running a remailer offers little tangible reward. On the other hand, if somebody were making $500,000 a year running a remailer, they might defend it a little more vigorously. And, if they didn't, somebody in the Carribbean might be happy to snap up the business. >I cannot help but feel that there has to be some simple ways of >addressing the spam/abuse issue without making the remailers a hit >and miss proposition for the average computer user. Here are two simple solutions: 1. charge hashcash 2. charge ecash. This eliminates the spam problem. It would probably reduce the harrassment problem as well. >e.g. - A stated policy of allowing only 'X' number of emails from the >same address/ISP per day--UCE spammers *could* work around this, but >they make money by speed and volume, not by farting around with >this-and-that. This is not a good idea. I like being able to pump a few megabytes a day through the remailer network to create cover traffic. Right now this would be an act of bad citizenship. But, if we were paying for remailer usage it would be a good thing. Good for me, good for the businesses I patronize. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGk5K5aWtjSmRH/5AQGFOgf9ELMabax8dmxbyV6DKfcLcr4U2MP/fS+E xHPXpxbf05Tr36opYZCwhNDtZEcrzggaBTiJPSk2leOwz1RvancqnrwrArnh/90R /EyikfLiwKgp7KRc4xVUAdYkqnJMYR+dz7K6DGfkLNgTKE3iExDJJcZcMgxn+VI9 2YbM6X8dtdBcMptC2CNxZC5FS2md+bCsyw2GP3bt25tTyuv786X4rVkD/MyH2w4l JOk/WkjReler06OwHLWj0OMgypMPTdGjB8QMnkIxVinyd+E4+bJHh7UNdvf3GyF6 Did9Fj28aVmi8N1NTeW6GZQNoAMeE1QpCTW/+9fJRepy/LWy6QEE+g== =PjCz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Scared of US; Where to relocate?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has become very clear to me over the past few years that amerika is headed for some pretty rough times, and I've decided to leave before it becomes illegal for me to do so. The only question is, where to? I've been looking around for about a week, and the only country that's looked good so far was Anguilla (lower travel costs for FC99!), but it doesn't meet my requirements for a number of reasons... Key features I'm looking for are: 1) Stable political environment. I'm making the move, after all, to AVOID participation in a civil war. 2) Stable economy, with local sources for all the basics (food, water, energy). 3) Reasonable level of medical technology, and local talent. I want good care for my wife during childbirth, for instance. 4) A job market for unix sysadmins / networking gurus / hackers would be nice, but I wouldn't mind learning a new trade either. 5) Right to keep & bear arms + Freedom of speech are musts, other "bill of rights" type laws strongly desired. 6) Low or no taxes would be nice, but if the first five points are met even a fairly high (30-40%) tax rate would be endurable. So... any suggestions?

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None Re: Databasix conspiracy theories
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Andy Dustman <andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu> wrote: > > Maybe the next time Gary, Linda, or Paul send a remailer operator a > > complaint, the operator will know what to expect next. > > I did get one complaint from Gary Burnore about stuff being sent directly > to him. He wasn't a jerk about it, and I haven't heard a peep out of him > since. Jeff Burchell's systems, Mailmasher and Huge Cajones, seemed to bear the brunt of the wrath and attacks by Gary Burnore and his associates Billy McClatchie (aka "Wotan") and Belinda Bryan. Perhaps that's because they were most often utilized by one or more of his detractors in posting public criticism about the tactics of himself, his company, and his associates. > > thing that's not so random is the high percentage of words that are > > related to DataBasix, such as "DataBasix", "Burnore", and "Wotan". I'm > > almost waiting for Gary Burnore to give the remailer and mail2news > > operators a "helpful" suggestion that they could curb most of this > > "abuse" by simply blocking any anonymous posts containing any of those > > three keywords. <g> Or perhaps he's done so and politely been turned > > down. > > He's never asked us, at least. Although, when spam-baiting started hot and > heavy this summer, another Databasix employee did suggest that his address > should not appear in posts. I made it quite clear we don't check for > specific names, words, or addresses, and that he was a legitimate topic of > discussion. Never heard back after that, and this was several months ago. IMO, that's a good policy. In fact, the best strategy seems to be to have a plan in place before starting a remailer so that when attacks and/or demands come in, the operator will have already decided what responses are appropriate and what aren't. To fail to do that is to leave one's system open to "designer abuse" where a certain kind of fabricated abuse implies a certain "cure", which is exactly why the abuser did it in the first place. For example, if someone comes along and starts spamming newsgroups, seemingly at random, and the common thread seems to be that each of the spams mentions Gary Burnore or DataBasix, the "obvious" solution would seem to be block all posts which include the keywords "Burnore" or "DataBasix". By doing that, you stop the abuse -- as well as effectively censoring any anonymous criticism of Gary Burnore and DataBasix. It's not hard to figure out the motives behind such actions. > > Perhaps the next wave of attacks on remailers will not consist of > > attempts to shut them down altogether but to progressively cripple them > > by getting certain features disabled, one by one. This seems to have > > already started. The strategy seems to be to fabricate a form of > > "abuse", anonymously through remailers, for which the seemingly > > "logical" solution is to disable a certain feature. This has already > > proven successful with header pasting, for example. Now you can't post > > to Usenet and set the From: address to that of your own 'nym. > > If you really want the post to have the From: address of your nym, send > the post with your nym and not with the remailer as the last hop. The > point of anonymous remailers is to be anonymous. If you want to use a > psuedonym, use a nymserver. If I remember correctly, the documentation for at least one of the nymservers suggested that posting through a remailer and pasting in the return address would be quicker and impose less burden on the server than having to process each outgoing message through the server. > > If the "camel" can get his nose under the tent and convince operators > > to start filtering on the *CONTENT* of the Subject: line or body of > > usenet posts, the anti-privacy nuts will have scored a major victory. > > In fact, from reading Jeff Burchell's posts, it looks like Gary and his > > DataBasux-ers had initially convinced Jeff to do exactly that. But, in > > a symbolic victory for freedom of speech, he removed those filters for a > > week before he finally shut down Huge Cajones altogether. > > Cracker does have a spam-bait mangler which is somewhat simpler than the > scheme Jeff used. In a nutshell, if there are an inordinately large number > of addresses (compared to other text), the addresses are mangled, i.e., > president(a)whitehouse.gov becomes president <AT> whitehouse <DOT> gov. > Still human-readable but useless for address harvesters. No posts get > dropped or filtered out under this scheme, and no keywords or particular > addresses are looked for. I'm not sure that even that is a wise precedent to set. In itself it seems innocuous enough, but it could always lead to a demand, "Well, you already mangle e-mail addresses contained in the bodies of posts, so why not also alter the contents of posts in the following way..." Also, I hope that your mangler is smart enough to distinguish e-mail addresses from lists of Usenet message IDs, since a list of such references should be perfectly valid in the body of a post. The problem with destroying machine readability of e-mail addresses is that many newsreaders will turn an e-mail address into a hot link where one could simply click on it to send e-mail. If someone were to anonymously post a message in support of or in opposition to a certain piece of legislation, and include a list of the e-mail addresses of the Congress-critters on a certain committee considering that bill, such a scheme might defeat the purpose of the list. IMO, anything that makes posting via a remailer less functional than doing so non-anonymously is ultimately detrimental to the cause of privacy. BTW, is there any evidence to indicate that anyone is really harvesting e-mail addresses from the BODIES of Usenet posts? Gary Burnore posts his flames quite widely, so it's quite likely that any bulk e-mailing lists he's on is the result of his (non-mangled) e-mail address being in the From: line of his own posts. Perhaps the ultimate reality check is whether someone is seeking to impose a standard on remailers that's stricter than the one imposed on the phone company or the postal service. I can drop some coins in a pay phone and call anyone at any time. The functionality of a public phone is not restricted merely because the users are not identified. Similarly, I can drop a letter in a public mailbox without anyone verifying my identity. No return address is required. Or I can write in a return address and nobody will check whether it's "genuine" or "forged". It would be ludicrous, for example, for someone who had received a couple of crank phone calls from payphones to demand that the phone company either totally prevent this abuse from ever happening again or else remove all of its pay phones! And yet those are exactly the demands that anti-privacy zealots have made on remailers, and often they've succeeded. Should one's willingness to broadcast his/her name and e-mail address indiscriminately to a WORLDWIDE newsgroup be a prerequisite for one to express one's views? Is that not tantamount to saying that one cannot walk down the street without wearing a badge containing his name, address, and phone number for all to read? Or should one's name and e-mail address be considered his property to be divulged only if and when he chooses? -- Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind. -- General William Westmoreland

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Re: FCPUNX:PGP's SMTP enforcer and ISPs
by Lance Cottrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SSH and a remote shell account can solve this problem. If they close port 22 it is time to change providers. <shameless plug> Cyberpass <http://www.cyberpass.net> provides anonymous shell accounts and SSH. </shameless plug> -Lance >Recently, my ISP became the victim of spammers. Their response, like many >other ISPs, is to block port 25 for all their dialup users. This means >that all outgoing email must be routed through their mail server. > >Now that PGP has an SMTP enforcers, and that others will eventually follow >with a S/MIME equivalent, we are literally an executive order away from an >effective (if not 100% complete) ban on "inappropriate" encryption on email >communications. > >All it would take is a national emergency, like the next war against Saddam >Hussein, or a law that does not treat ISPs like common carriers and holds >them liable for what their users do. > >And the worst thing of all is that most people won't even notice it. Hell, >I was the only person on my end to notice that my ISP had blocked port 25. > >-- Phelix, "perfect paranoia is perfect awareness" > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| The above message was sent from the Filtered Cypherpunks List, a free | >| filtering service. Direct any replies in regards to this message to | >| its author. Archives available from www.sundernet.com/fdigest.html | >-------> For help see http://www.sundernet.com/crypto.html <------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)infonex.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. http://www.infonex.com/~loki/ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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