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When did he get traded to the Black Hawks?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > At 05:33 PM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> Great Barrington, MA -- In a recent > >> pronouncement, television evangelist and > >> head of the Christian Coalition, Pat > >> Robertson, advocated death by stoning for > >> crypto enthusiasts. > I've never understood this dumb Christian overlooking of how the world > actually functions. You don't "stone" people to death anymore, > there's other ways to kill them. Second, this "Pat Robertson" is a > fascist. I'm a Frisbeetarian. I believe that, when you die, your soul goes up on the roof, and you can't get it down. Nonethemore, I take umbrage at much of the recent Christian-bashing taking place on the cypherpunks list. Bash Pat Robertson, 'make fun' of Jesus, but please, stop painting with the wide brush. If I claim to speak for the cypherpunks, then I would expect to be roundly booed and set upon by Mongers with long teeth and shot at by whoever May choose to do so. I expect the same for Pat Robertson when he speaks for Jesus. He's an asshole! However, the cypherpunks mailing list serves a purpose for giving us a forum to discuss and debate issues that are important to us, and the Christian faith does likewise for those who think evolution is a Satanist plot, and Jesus plays goalie for the Chicago Blackhawks. (Jesus Saves! {But Gretsky puts in the rebounds.}) > >> While Robertson viewed the Internet with > >> suspicion, on a more serious note, he > >> launched into a diatribe against those who > >> entertain the existence of uninhibited free > >> speech on the Internet. Uuuhhh...forget what I just said. Let's kill this fucker and anyone who tunes him in on "the day of the sun." > >> According to Robertson, the threat is so > >> serious that people who believe in free > >> speech should be put to death by stoning -- > >> according to "God's word." This sounds like a misrepresentation of Robertson's beliefs, by someone who has an axe to grind, but now that I've got the adrenaline flowing, I don't give a shit. Let's kill him! > Fuck him. God's word is fascism, hate, narrow-mindedness, and a Big > Brother State. He can take his bible and shove it up his ass. That costs extra... At least, in the places I frequent, it does. > Sorry, we own earth, and God doesn't exist. If God is Love, and Love is Blind, then Ray Charles must be God. > >> "He has given us the Earth. He also warned > >> us in the book of Matthew of the dangers of > >> corrupting forces such as the Internet which > >> can be used for evildoers: Why do people say things like this, without giving pointers to the relevant URL's? If I'm going to avoid sinful web sites, then I need to check them out first, so that I know what I am avoiding. Being the forgiving type, I would also feel obligated to keep checking these evil web sites out on a regular basis, to see if they have repented, yet. > First of all, this also proves Christians are incabable of making real > world arguments, because they rely so heavily on a 1000-page book > filled with lies. God (pardon the expression), but you have a negative attitude. There are many valuable things one can learn from studying the Bible. e.g. Q?: Who was the smallest person in the Bible? A!: The guard who fell asleep on his watch! Q?: Which stretches further, rubber or skin? A!: Skin. The Bible tells of a man who tied his ass to a tree, and walked over a mountain. > >> "'A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can > >> a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that > >> does not bear good fruit is cut down and > >> thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their > >> fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:17-20)' So, if your brother has a boyfriend... > >> "And you see, there is only one Word, and > >> that is the Word of God: > Bullshit. I've been wondering what that word was. "Bullshit..." I like that word. Does that make me a Christian? > >> "'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word > >> was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)'" Hey! I just typed 'God.' 'God.' Look! I did it again. Watch this... Bullshit! I'm starting to like this Christian religion thing. > Second off, cryptic responses aren't worth a shit in arguments. That's because you don't take the time to understand them. Remember, "Patience comes to those who wait." > >> "Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, > >> funny-looking computer hacker? Well, I've never actually *met* Bill Gates, but... > >> Of course > >> he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive > >> people. And if they can lead somebody away > >> from the true God, or away from Jesus > >> Christ, anyway it happens, it doesn't > >> matter, you will lose your salvation. It > >> doesn't matter how they get you. The > >> question is, did they get you, and under > >> what guise? Well, you have to consider the Support package before you really pass judgement. What kind of Jock strap are we talking about, here? > >> "This is man in rebellion against God, who > >> refuses to take God's Law. And God says, > >> 'My covenant says you won't do this. And if > >> I find anybody in Israel,'-- "which is his > >> pure nation" -- 'If I find anybody in > >> Israel that's doing this sort of thing, > >> then I want you to take him out and dispose > >> of him." > > That is fascism. Nazi fascism. Come on, you're overreacting. Everything is disposable these days. > >> "It's a clear violation of God's word. > >> Stone them." "Everybody must get stoned." - Bob Dylan > >> Skipp Porteous, Freedom Writer publisher, > >> commented: "As the founder and chairman of > >> the Christian Coalition -- a group > >> dedicated to becoming the most powerful > >> political force in America -- Robertson's > >> extreme ideas need to be taken seriously, > >> for they not only negate pluralism, but > >> condemn to death those who dare to believe > >> differently." How differently does one have to believe to just get "spanked?" (I'm not into hard-core.) > This speech of his outlines in entirety the Christian Agenda. > Enslaving, murder of those different, intolerance, fascism. Jesus! (pardon the expression) Do these people put out a magazine? Color glossies? Is there bondage involved? If so, I would be willing to convert. > If Christians try to stone anyone, they should be shot right away. Not if they pick out the seeds and stems, first. > Freedom-Thru-AtheismMonger > "Your god is DEAD!!! And no one cares!!! If there is a hell, I'll see > you there!!!!!" - Nine Inch Nails, "Heresy" I bought a futures contract on "Nine Inch Nails." If they are not "Eleven Inch Nails" by this time next week, I lose my ass. I know this post doesn't make much sense, but it's Friday night and I haven't got a date. Is anybody out there getting laid tonight? Could you send me pictures? I'm desperate. The posts to alt.boring have slowed to a crawl. I'm running out of Pop Tarts. Still no word from the Reader's Digest Sweepstakes. And the way this relates to cryptography is... ...uuuhhh...John Gilmore is a cocksucker! (Bet you thought this whole damn post was going to be off-topic, didn't you?)

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Re: None
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

anon(a)anon.efga.org wrote: >> Great Barrington, MA -- In a recent >> pronouncement, television evangelist and >> head of the Christian Coalition, Pat >> Robertson, advocated death by stoning for >> crypto enthusiasts. AN> This post has moved me considerably. Some parts of his speech AN> requires a response that words could not adequately describe. Jim Bell has a solution for that <G> BellMonger

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Re: Welfare Solution #389
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Frantz wrote: > The Swiss friends we visited earlier this week agree that this policy has > had positive effects. We passed a park in Zurich that had formally been > used by heroin addicts as a "shooting gallery", and was now being used by > ordinary citizens including families with small children. They mentioned > the change in the park as one of the benefits of the new policy. Yeah, the kids no longer have to pay "mall prices" for their heroin. Let's be *real* here--it means the kids are giving some pervert a blow job for fifty cents worth of heroin, instead of for twenty dollars worth of heroin. Boy, just talking about this makes me miss my Uncle Jim.

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Re: Breaking Legal News.... (fwd)
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:18 PM -0700 8/22/97, Greg Broiles wrote: >>The American legal system has spun out of control. I don't argue that she >>should not have the right to sue...everybody does. But a judge can quickly >>dismiss a case on a matter of law. > >According to the Mercury-News, the suit has been dismissed. > ><http://www.sjmercury.com/news/breaking/docs/016909.htm> Thanks for this info. I looked at it. Believe me, when I wrote my article this morning (Friday morning) I did not know this was happening. I wonder if Alan still thinks there is merit to the case? --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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In Defense of Pat Robertson and the "700 Club"
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Returning home from a night on the town here in scenic Santa Cruz (The Kingsmen, "Louie Louie" on the Boardwalk, and Dick Dale, "Miserlou" ("Pulp Fiction") at a local club, I see various and sundry articles blasting Pat Robertson. Some are obvious Toto-spoofs, and some quote Robertson as saying UFO enthusiasts ought to be stoned to death. In late 1993, months after the Clipper travesty was unveiled, Pat Robertson's "The 700 Club" denounced Clipper as an unconstitutional, and perhaps Satanic, plot. Not being a Believer, I can't comment on the Satanic part. (At the Hackers Conference, 1993, we sat and watched the "700 Club" videotape with amazement.) But I sure do know that I felt more commonality with Pat Robertson and "The 700 Club" than I ever have felt with Billy Bob Clinton and his fake Christian piety. If Pat Robertson called for the death by stoning of UFO believers, it was almost certainly rhetorical hyperbole, like Rush Limbaugh's suggestions of what ought to be done to lesbians. I'm not a believe in any religion. but I have more in common with Pat Robertson or the Grand Mufti of Mormonism than I do with Bill and Hillary and George and Barbara and Ronnie and Nancy and.... --Tim May, who thinks bashing of Christians can be carried too far. There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Shooting the taggers
by Wazoo MixMaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > And yet can J. Random Businessman defend his property against this > defacing? Nope. The cops say "Let us handle crimes." But they don't. > > There's a solution for taggers: snipers. There appears to be a wonderful market for long-range nonlethal stun weapons. I wonder, if a tagger is marking your building, would it be legal to stun him from a distance and then call the cops? Rape can be argued to be deserving of serious punishment of some kind, but would tagging deserve death when a nonlethal option exist? Could not the woman stun the rapist and then call the cops? -THE LIE

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Re: FCPUNX:Socio-Economic Cults (Re: CypherPunk Cults)
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:00 PM 8/21/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > Interestingly, many of the strategies for moving assets offshore, to > offshore banks and money havens, is not so much to evade taxes as to > "protect assets." Protect them from ransom/extortion demands of the _legal > profession_ sort, e.g., "deep pockets" lawsuits. For example, somebody > finds out that J. Random Cypherpunk is financially well off--perhaps from > the increasing number of online credit report records, etc.--and decides to > have a convenient "fall" on his property. He then sues for some large > amount, either covered by Homeowner's Insurance, or more. In addition to famous deep pockets attacks on big corporations, for example the woman who supposedly lost her psychic powers as a result of a CAT scan, or the silicone lawsuits, there is also a significant business suing private individuals. One particular vicious scam is the famous child molestation accusation. You privately agree you molested your child and pay $50 000 for "therapy", and provided you pay and cooperate your admission will be kept quiet, or you are charged with ritual child abuse involving upside down crucifixes and the like. > (Don't anybody waste their or my time with penny ante ideas for getting > small amounts of money out of the country.) Use the beef futures tactic: Somebody placed a bet on beef going up. If it goes up, it was Tim's offshore corporation that bet on it. If it goes down, it was Tim that bet on it. Gee, it seems that Tim has had a run of bad luck in his gambling on the futures market. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court appointed attorneys") (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:42:34 -0700 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)songbird.com> > Subject: Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court appointed attorneys") > The evolutionary definition of "competent" is "propagate your genetic > material". A rough corollary is that those who raise the most children > to child-bearing age are the most competent. With all due respect, bullshit. Fecundity is in no way related to long-term survival as detailed in the various theories of Neo-Darwinian evolution or in actual studies. I would suggest strongly that you read Ernst Meyr and get a better grip on how evolutionary theory works. Just being fecund does not in any way guarantee success, in fact it may guarantee failure because it keeps the limits of genetic spread of the population constrained. There is also a book, Extinction: luck or genes?, which you should look into. I apologize for not providing better cites but I don't have any of Mayr's or the extinction book on hand at the moment. They are commenly found in the science section of larger bookstores though. Also note that Mayr has a new book out (about a year old I believe) that covers some of the most recent changes of the punctuated-equilibria and neo-darminian camps. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Practical Assassination Politics
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just browsing the Foresight Exchange (formerly Idea Futures) and notice that there have been a few changes. First, the instruments are now referred to as "bets" and there is quite a bit more use of the language of "Non-Traditional Wagering." One claim that caught my eye was BCPrez, owned by sburnap(a)wsgc.com and judged by Gafter(a)eng.sun.com. This claim pays $1 for each YES coupon if Bill Clinton is President of the United States at noon on January 1, 2001. This claim pays $1 for each NO coupon if Bill Clinton is no longer President of the United States at noon on January 1, 2001, for any reason including, but not limited to resignation, impeachment, or death. ^^^^^:) -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> > Subject: Plot of the Platypus > In fact, many disorders of reading (alexia) and writing (agraphia) > exist, and are sourced to small lesions in different areas of the brain. > Functionality is so distributed physically, in fact, that there are > even particular lesions which can disrupt reading of phonetic kana > Japanese but not ideographic kanji Japanese. This is only part of the story. Most persons afflicted with these sorts of disorders are not caused by any sort of lesion but rather a geneticly based anomaly in brain development. Dyslexia is a prime example. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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