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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:40 PM 1/27/97 -0500, Phillip M. Hallam-Baker wrote: > > >jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote in article <5ch9f2$cuu(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > >> Look, I've proposed what I consider to be a remarkably consistent method to >> prevent the kind of political tyranny that you criticize, and I don't see >> any recognition of this fact. > >Thats because its a whacko solution that has no credibility >or consistency. > >If anyone tried to set up such a market and a price went out >on any of the heads of state fantasized about Mr Bell would be >dead as a doornail in a week. > So you're saying that the system would work. Mr. bell would be targeted, a price on his head, for starting that very system. Mr. Bell would be a martyr, his system being proven by his own death. It would be some varient of his idea that would be used to kill him, a bounty. I think that the system would work, I also think that it would be easiest to use by those already in possession of the money. It would take care of part of our overpopulation problem though...

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 AM 1/29/1997, Declan McCullagh wrote: > * Many 1st Amendment experts don't believe in the legal concept of > libel. It is, they say, a rich man's game -- if I'm libeled by the > NYT, I'm probably not going t be able to sue them, but Donald Trump > can. Moreover, if I don't have the resources to sue but the > statement is libelous, it creates a *presumption* in the minds of > the readers that the article is certainly true. (If it were not, I > would have sued, right?) The wealthy also use libel suits to suppress dissent. Greg's point that poor people aren't worth suing is only true if the motivation is financial. Often it is not. Conveniently, many of those whose silence is desired are among the petty bourgeouis and have a net worth of roughly $50,000. Enough to make the suit appear legitimate, but not enough to allow the target to brush off the legal fees, if they win the case. Consider also the artificial distinction between private and public figures. It is easier for a private figure to sue for libel. Yet, the most influential people in the country are private figures. Reporters must tread very carefully when covering the activities of these people. Thus, we hear little of them. It would be interesting to know when libel law was first introduced to the United States. Does anybody know? John Peter Zenger

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think that with the demise of Mr Bell and anyone running a remailer there would be an end to his scheme pretty quickly. Society is not bound to put up with cranks and psychopaths. there is no right to anonymously call for murder. The authorities could easily stop Bells scheme. The point I was making is that it is not consistent as claimed. Phill

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Re: OFFSHORE RESOURCES
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You sez: : There has been sporadic interest on this list with regard to : offshore incorporation, banking, etc. While ads for offshore : services are common in the international press, until now, none : of these companies has an Internet presence. : THE ECONOMIST has an ad for OCRA, a group that specializes in : offshore company services. What's new is that they have a Web : page. It includes a good primer on the benifits from going : offshore and on selected offshore jurisdictions. I've never done : business with these folks, but they have good info. I maintain a small page with offshore resources at: URL: http://www.replay.com/offshore bEST Regards, -AJ-

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"Meeks Unfiltered" on ISP-TV Wednesday nights
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: "Meeks Unfiltered" *** Wednesday Nights *** *** 8:00 PM ET *** If you missed "Meeks Unfiltered" last week, you missed how easy it was to intercept cell phone calls, the recent decision on the Phil Karn encryption case, and electronic freedom in Hong Kong as it is taken over by China. Don't miss "Meeks Unfiltered" this week! Brock N. Meeks is the publisher of the 800,000 subscriber CyberWire Dispatch electronic news service, and he brings his crusading style into real-time Internet video with "Meeks Unfiltered." The live uncensored hour-long show, produced and distributed through ISP-TV, explores cyberspace and cyberpolitics Wednesdays at 8 PM Eastern Time. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. Tell Brock and co-host Declan McCullagh what you think! **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://www.digex.net/isptv/members.html. See URL http://www.digex.net/isptv for more information about the ISP-TV Network To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 AM 1/29/1997, Declan McCullagh wrote: > * Many 1st Amendment experts don't believe in the legal concept of > libel. It is, they say, a rich man's game -- if I'm libeled by the > NYT, I'm probably not going t be able to sue them, but Donald Trump > can. Moreover, if I don't have the resources to sue but the > statement is libelous, it creates a *presumption* in the minds of > the readers that the article is certainly true. (If it were not, I > would have sued, right?) The wealthy also use libel suits to suppress dissent. Greg's point that poor people aren't worth suing is only true if the motivation is financial. Often it is not. Conveniently, many of those whose silence is desired are among the petty bourgeouis and have a net worth of roughly $50,000. Enough to make the suit appear legitimate, but not enough to allow the target to brush off the legal fees, if they win the case. Consider also the artificial distinction between private and public figures. It is easier for a private figure to sue for libel. Yet, the most influential people in the country are private figures. Reporters must tread very carefully when covering the activities of these people. Thus, we hear little of them. It would be interesting to know when libel law was first introduced to the United States. Does anybody know? John Peter Zenger

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Re: Trigger-Words...
by Elliot Lee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 harka(a)nycmetro.com wrote: > Actually, I might not have chosen the correct words for what I > wanted... > I am looking for sniffer-programs, that analyze e-mail traffic on > the Net and filtering out all e-mails potentially interesting for > _intelligence services_. For example, I've heard, that if an e-mail > contains the words: "assassinate President" (DISCLAIMER: I hope, our > President lives a long and happy life, even after his > impeachment...:)), it will automatically get filtered and checked > out by the Secret Service. Everytime someone sends a message through White House web site to the president ( there is a comment form on the site ) it is scanned for keywords. It probably happens on other key avenues as well. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. I heard of a woman who wrote to Clinton something like: You are such a dynamite leader. I think you have such an explosive personality, and I'm dying to meet you. If you want to scan your E-mail, write a little perl script that takes a list of keywords to scan for, and the action to take when the keywords are found. It shouldn't be too hard. -- Elliot http://www.redhat.com/ "I'm a member of the Association of Federations of Linux Project Initiators That Never Really Get Much Done (AFLPITNRGMD, for short)." Just do it!

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Bruce "Penis With a Blister on it" Taylor strikes again...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:19:03 -0800 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Robert Cannon <cannon(a)DC.NET> Subject: Members of Congress file CDA Amici Curiae Brief To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Approximately 22 members of Congress filed an Amici Curiae brief with the Supreme Court in Reno v. ACLY, the constitutional challenge to the Communications Decency Act (this makes three known briefs filed so far in support of the CDA). The brief was filed on behalf of, among others, Exon, Coats, Helms, Grassley, Hyde, and Goodlatte. It was written by Bruce Taylor and Cathleen A. Cleaver. This brief can be accessed at http://www.cdt.org/ciec/SC_appeal/970121_Cong_brief.html Litigation update page: www.cais.net/cannon/cda/cda-up.htm --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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Important information and instruction
by helpinghands＠lgcy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Best Computer School?
by Cynthia H. Brown 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon 27 Jan, SpyKing queried: > This is a little off topic but maybe someone can help. I've got a > teenage son (HS sophomore) who's interested in majoring in computer > science in college with a particular interest in cryptography. He's > leaning toward MIT. Any suggestions from list members as to colleges > to investigate? Avi Rubin at NYU has compiled a list of all security- and crypto- related university courses that he is aware of. The URL is: http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~rubin/courses.html (This was posted on sci.crypt a couple of weeks ago.) Hope this gives a starting point, Cynthia -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQCVAwUBMu/0bpOg7xGCJGQtAQEEPgP8DIMqGqUmGWXtWWrQpv7OP+iIFxegwS9J 6+ZRg1OeB/ivLV2ZTvPbyZJ5a0zevrGIM4uPPjt2YQVLdpyZrpWm0TNPlPE4bgb8 hWEKkpfF8HVRF5jf4s80x3nhmtMzRLSSXy9L03f/m+I45l9HkTOQ4tX7U3WE42ea 9rGdR7SUm1U= =qDPt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- =============================================================== Cynthia H. Brown Ottawa, Ontario, Canada E-mail: cynthb(a)sonetis.com Home Page: http://www.sonetis.com/~cynthb/ PGP Key: See Home Page Junk mail will be ignored in the order in which it is received. It is morally as bad not to care whether a thing is true or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to care how you got your money as long as you have got it. - Edmund Way Teale, "Circle of the Seasons"

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