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Would the anonymous person(s) please...
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would all those anonymous remailing people with a flame tendency, please flame the person of your attacks, and don't send this bullshit to the list? Thanks...

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 16:01:35 1997 > On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote: > > I suggest that nobody do this, as this will filter out anonymous mail > from these remailers. You do, of course, have the right to filter out > whomever you want, but there are worthwhile anonymous contributions > from these remailers. I personally don't see what the big deal is > with these ascii-art messages. 95% of the time, these messages are > very easy to spot, and the remaining 5%, it takes two seconds to hit > the "delete" key. hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3jIoqAC4xvMjGa1AQHYGQf+LnnFnEHTlH+7N1X9gdG+Q+qyp44r1mHu kw6FcENloFaE7oRpaDffaCOlBEAwJEQYnPNr6LOD18rTYQ2ZgruI/sv73KslBDI9 CLRjBRpzPSyF3+59uGusxOdLzHIzKjUSrB0xF5n/C07DnEoDa9DvXz1p+XnuPxf5 ZgXbrPMrac66K+Mz16XyJeI7eUjUEpqgc1s4OJuBpLZkCskncL9lUr9lfoHw8neE g4fjzH4csJ6XWh7z5ZZWN1dK9n8dUe13Er7rTLXT7Y0Md7DlkeyinJqPGd4eoPZ9 z2Rka6QJKBs4JC5cki4Hf9zOnHfJiqc5d30v1A0S+u1paOkoGQd0zQ== =tJQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Public Key Break Paper
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In early April we posted a message which referred to William H. Payne's paper "Public Key Cryptography is Easy to Break." Mr. Payne has provided the 1990 5-page draft paper along with other documents, which we've added to the file at: http://jya.com/snlhit.htm The paper is part of several attachments supporting Mr. Payne's charge against Sandia National Laboratory. Other documents in the file help explain why the paper is sensitive to SNL and perhaps to NSA.

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KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary...
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Net's crypto wet-dreams were demolished this afternoon by a Congressional committee's fear of coffee-drenched kids and the Ku Klux Klan. A two-hour debate over whether KKK volunteers could be sued for spilling coffee on an 8-year old at a bake sale blew through millions of dollars in billable lobbyist-hours and prevented the House Judiciary Committee from voting on Rep. Bob Goodlatte's (R-VA) SAFE crypto bill today. Somnolent yet somehow alert, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) wasted an hour sparring with the avuncular Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Illinois) over the "Volunteer Protection Act," which insulates people volunteering for nonprofit organizations from civil liability. But would that apply to the KKK, wondered Conyers? Is the KKK a registered 501(c)(3) organization under the IRS code? What about 501(c)(4) organizations? What if a KKK member decided to build houses for Habitat for Humanity? I kid you not: these are the questions that the august House Judiciary committee grapples with. The members ran out of time and never got around to voting on SAFE. It was a bizzare meeting, to be sure, but at least one point made sense: these decisions should be left to the states, not imposed on them by the Feds. Some Congressmen even cited the landmark Supreme Court decision in _Lopez_, which shortened the reach of the Federal government. Conyers: "Someone has to explain why this is a federal issue." Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "I don't see why it's necessary for the federal government to invade." Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) coughed up an odd position: he likes the bill, but wants to make sure his GOP colleagues appreciate that this bill would screw the states. (It uses the Constitution's "interstate commerce clause" to justify the Feds interfering.) Frank said: "The notion that the coach of the Little League is involved in interstate commerce -- unless the third baseline is in another state -- strikes me as a hard sell. A dispute involving the coach in a little league will now be federalized... I don't have a problem with that... I do insist, however, that those in the past who have invoked [states' rights understand that] this is an obliteration of Lopez." Those were the high points of the debate, and it went downhill from there. Frank claimed that the Civil War meant that states have no rights. Someone rambled about girl scouts in South Carolina. Someone else spoke passionately about "standards of tortious behavior." Then there was talk about tricyles and hammers. By this time, the audience was falling asleep. I counted 10 people nodding off before I ran out of fingers. A frustrated Hyde tried to broker a deal: "If your staff person can work with your staff person, can you draft replacement language?" Conyers replied. "We're trying to help chairman Hyde. We've got 12 minutes [left]. There's no way in the world we're going to allow hate group hangers-on to be exempted from simple negligence." It worked. By 5:15 pm, after a dozen amendments, the committee passed the "Volunteer Protection Act." As for SAFE -- well, if you're a Congressman faced with the choice of bashing the KKK or tackling crypto policy, what would you do? -By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) and Will Rodger (rodger(a)worldnet.att.net) who refuses to wear a tie to these events any more.

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Re: Guilty!
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger sobered up and wrote: > The bottom line is that no matter what our position in life, no matter >what our beliefs, opinions and actions, there are a few billion other >entities sharing our world who are organized into camps which support or >oppose us today and may do the opposite tomorrow. .................................................................... In the end you have to be prepared to defend yourself from anyone; as anyone can become an enemy. The only true support is an active intelligence. .. Blanc

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Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes
by Wazoo MixMaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Spectre, writing under an anonymous name bravely wrote: From: The Spectre <spectre(a)nac.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:57:15 -0400 [snip] hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone each day. I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, or any other for that matter. If you've got something to say, say it. Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another. Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete key for me... [snip his cowardly key block] [snip his cowardly anonymous signature] Let me get this straight Mr. Cowardly Lion; if one uses a remailer, he is cowardly (in one form or another). But not an anonymous address? Not PGP? Wise up, friend; this is cypherpunks. Some of us DO these things, and we do not have to explain ourselves to you or or anyone. Some times it's for fun; sometimes it's deadly serious. So use the delete key; add a "filter file (;--);" do whatever you choose, but spare me the sanctimonious lecture. Hugh_Balls(a)lucifer.penet.fi TruthSmuggler's Alter Ego

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Re: "The policeman inside"
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 13 May 97 at 9:19, Tim May wrote: > As ur-cyberpunk Burroughs noted, we must beware "the policeman > inside." > > Authorities _want_ people to "police themselves," to think twice > before speaking freely, to limit the topic of their conversations, > and to generally fear the knock on the door late at night (or, in > fin de siecle Amerika, the suddent appearance of black-clad ninja in > one's bedroom at 4 a.m., shooting anything that moves). Hey, that shit scares me, too. BUT: > Bomb-making information is protected by the First Amendment. Period. Correct. It's using that technology that's the crime, in most cases. > So is crypto information. So is saying Congressmen are vermin who > need to be taken out and shot. I think you can say "taken out and Spanked Naked In The Streets" I don't think you can advocate shooting them... Correct me if I'm wrong. > Get this straight, people! The First Amendment *IS* still in force. > (Now whether such opinions are to one's taste, or whether the > Cypherpunks list is a reasonable forum for posting bomb-making > plans...well, that's a completely different issue, one of taste and > appropriateness, First Amendment issues are *on topic*. > than the calls by Declan and Ray that such messages > are dangerous and could invite retaliation by the Authorities. If > that's indeed the case, then by all means we should be posting > bomb-making instructions and calls for treason trials with street > justice.) Hey, *They* read this list anyways. Fuck *Them* Hard. > Beware the policeman inside. Fuck the FBI, Fuck the CIA. Fuck 'em all. Now that's freedom! God, I love America! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:19 PM 5/11/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >You might remember I wrote recently about the DoJ report released this >month that calls for new legislation to ban bomb-making info online. Now >Feinstein's office tells me she's going to introduce a bill. Feinswine never saw a gun/mind control bill she didn't like. She is an ultra fascist that rose to power thanks to the yellow dog Bay Area voters. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 97 19:23:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... > I personaly think that this is a good thing. :))) > > Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom > that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. > could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one > except the STATEST). Yeah, Blacks could go back to being niggers. Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant etc... Talk about statest. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Tue, 13 May 97 20:33:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: KKK derails crypto bill, report from House Judiciary... (fwd) > >> Every bill that *is not* passed by congress is just that much more freedom > >> that is saved. If all the bills passed by congress over the past 100yrs. > >> could all be repealed no one would miss them in the least (well no one > >> except the STATEST). > > >Yeah, > > >Blacks could go back to being niggers. > >Women could go back to being barefoot and pregnant > >etc... > > >Talk about statest. > > I don't know where you get the above from? Constitutional Amendments are general passed by Congress. Hence, your statement taken literaly is advocating a great deal of good that has come from such actions. > I supose that your statest brainwashing has convinced you that such social > issues could have only been resolved by Federal intervention. Quite the > contrary is true. Any laws passed by congress in these areas were brought > about *because* society was already moving in those directions not the > other way around. I was a small boy in the 60's in and around Houston. I remember what it was like before and after the desegregation that took place in the mid-60's when I started elementary. I can promise you from personal experience there were still seperate washrooms and fountains. Sweeney, Tx. still had a sign on Interstate 90 that said (and I quote) "If you are black don't let the sun set on you in Sweeney." (the sign was on private property adjacent to the interstate I found out years later) As to a little modern social commentary. Ride the city bus in your town for 1 month each day. During that time keep track of where people sit. Would you like to explain why the majority of blacks still sit in the back of the bus? And for those who are white with real cajones, walk into a black bar around 1AM on a Sunday. > If someone is going to descriminate on the basis of race or sex or any > other criteria they are going to do so reguardless of what laws are passed > in DC. Absolutely, as is their Constitutionaly protected right. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERY OTHER FORM OF SOCIAL AND LEGAL INSTITUTION SHOULD NOT EVER, PERIOD. Private individuals and companies should, and can, discriminate to their hearts content. I personaly wouldn't deal with a business that I knew a priori discriminated against employees or customers based on sex, religion, etc. as a matter of standard policy. I suspect that most others with 2 halves of a clue to rub together would refuse as well. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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