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[LOCAL] pdx-cypherpunks-l Announcement
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A mailing list for Cypherpunk issues local to Portland Oregon (and the surrounding area) has been created. It will have meeting notices and other topics of interest to local Cypherpunks in the Portland area. To subscribe send a message to majordomo(a)teleport.com with: subscribe pdx-cypherpunks-l in the body of the message. Due to problems with spammers to lists on Teleport, the subscribe request will feed back an authorization code to verify that it was actually you who subscribed to the list. If you have any problems getting subscribed, please send me mail (or owner-pdx-cypherpunks-l(a)teleport.com) and the problems will get resolved. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMQhG4eQCP3v30CeZAQFQZwf/Uxc+NYHNVwsXaH8co6vlN2qgKdt46Ymq itCZTdzlOHHnU4rcMdsDeUzod3WYsFBH3UD90x+Z+n+3tX8Y0YB0H0j+imJJhJSo 28kscZnoji0CZKevuOxbL8AFWJ3wUiaa88S6sb0+1aa97TKIuBC845p2ctMqkD90 fExZl/DobXH0HxV+O19UpWoekceIBBoWYsFwBF/6SGLmzmyoBpXmc2lpR3CuJfgk Nk8w3LIAbSmyI2ERxaUMNKffnItoBt9aCBAR+tybTDLj1RgBYkYO54qqDHVwTSOW /pkqRN0mQWjYZlryvflPYlykpSN2VUR0dqIVoO9z7ME9P/99iTytVQ== =bAIW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ National Security uber alles!

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CENSORED CENSORED
by shift.control＠nml.guardian.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In this week's special Censorship Issue Shift Control... "The US is decidedly more robust about censorship. For starters, any art using the American flag is banned automatically (it's in the Constitution, alongside all that stuff about freedom of speech)." - Lisa Jardine on Western "liberalism". "In the movies,as in advertising, cars have played a strategic role sex-wise: when Hollywood rotated the gender wars through 180° in 'Thelma and Louise', it was female possession of the car - and of driving skills - that became the dominant and ultimately liberating motif." - Robin Hunt on Cronenberg's 'Crash'. "Fans of the 'Eastenders' will never forget last year's Blackpool episodes, which reached a riveting climax when Tony, the sexually confused ex-drug dealer, kisses Simon - his pregnant girlfriend's brother. Great stuff, but viewers were actually prevented from witnessing the full smacker. New BBC1 controller Michael Jackson made a last-minute decision to cut the kiss down from a lingering two-second smooch to a measly half-second peck." Paul Robinson on the history of censorship. Plus our new daily film section, a pre-millennial global singalong, Freebee the animated bee, the coolest shoes in the world, free books and CDs, and your last chance to win 200 quid in our fiction competition. It's all waiting, unexpurgated, at http://www.shiftcontrol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Shift Control is produced by the Guardian's New Media Lab with help from Boddingtons and Stella Artois Dry To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to shiftcontrol-request(a)nml.guardian.co.uk with the following text in the body of the mail message: unsubscribe

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Re: No, it's PayWord, no, it's MicroMint, no, it's...
by daw＠cs.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <199703272018.MAA00322(a)crypt.hfinney.com>, Hal Finney <hal(a)rain.org> wrote: > It appears that MicroMint is jointly by Rivest and Shamir. It is described > at: > > http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/RivestShamir-mpay.ps > > This also describes PayWord. Both schemes are designed for lightweight > payments. PayWord uses a chained hash concept similar to s/key and to > Micali's lightweight signature revalidations. MicroMint is as I described, > literally a "minting" of coins, with similar economies of scale to real > mints. > > Neither one appears suitable for anonymous payments. Wow, a perfect straight line. I couldn't ask for better. Actually, I posted to sci.crypt.research a while ago about how to adapt Rivest and Shamir's PayWord scheme to do anonymous micropayments; see http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/my-posts/anon-micropayments In short, instead of asking the bank for a hash stick and a signature on the top of the stick, you get a blind signature on a top of a stick you've generated yourself. Then you patch up some issues (like double-spending) that the anonymity raises. Sadly, it's got a problem that'd probably be a killer for practical deployment -- it's got the same patent problems that ecash has. Sigh.

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Re: Sigh Re: not a flame please read and think about this
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pat F A R R E L L wrote: / Subject line is bull*&^&, IMHO, of course Hey everyone has an opinion. In message Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:40:00 UTC, an116512(a)anon.penet.fi writes: > to make my point: why is pat farrel helping the nsa and nist make /Learn to spell my name. It is on my .sig, my keys, and in my userid. /We blockheaded, Irish Catholic Americans are damn proud of our name. /Farrell's (along with other cheap Irish labor) built the railroads /from Chicago west. Please spell it correctly, even if you are flaming me. F A R R E L L M O U S E > hey why not just write the escorw code for them!!!??? > is mr farrel just being naive or is does he realize who hes working for? > sorry to single him out but this is just an example of what im talking > about. /I doubt that this clown deserves a response, but... Then shut up. /There were a number of cypherpunks there. I can't speak for all, /but I expect movites include: /- attempting to clarify vague and confusing wording so we could /understand what they wanted. 'k /- seeing that working with them, rather than yelling at their stupidity, /has a higher chance of getting results. Beware of compromise, you become the rag puller for the rapist. / - we got to meet influential folks from industry who agree with us. 'k /- some of us aren't completely apposed to CKE. I think it has value. /If we could convert their plan for GAK into CKE, it would be a big win, /well worth the effort. Yea right. / - they are going to promulgate a FIPS PUB standard next week, whether I /like it or not, and whether I help or not. It is better to have that /standard understandable and clear than fuzzy and subject to subective /evaluation. Clear as any government forced standard can be. / - getting preposterous misstatements into the formal Federal Register so / we can quote it back to them in the congressional hearings. Mr Geoff / Greivelddinger's words should be handy to quote, for one example. 'k /- there are lots more, but I doubt that I can convince this clown. Then shut up.

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> writes: > I have argued with JB in the past over his ideas. while I think they > are reprehensible, a govt raid is an extremely chilling result. > I hope it doesn't have the effect of stifling the free flow of > discourse here (actually nothing ever has) but it seems likely > to have some effect. Well - at least they're not "moderating" the list, like Cocksucker John Gilmore did, and not lying blatantly about their moderation policies, like Sandy Sandfort, the C2Net salesman, did. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Crypto Sabots
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

American Banker, April 2, 1997: Consortium Formed For Data Security Carlisle, Pa.: The data encryption community has a new advocacy group: the Cryptography Products Consortium. Organized under the auspices of the National Computer Security Association, the consortium said it aims to "foster interoperability and transparency of cryptography products" and define and advance the common goals" of vendors and system integrators. The charter members are many of the companies active in data security as it relates to electronic banking and commerce. They include the smart card manufacturers Gemplus and Schlumberger as well as BBN Corp., Cylink Corp., Pretty Good Privacy Inc., Rainbow Technologies Inc., RSA Data Security Inc., Sterling Commerce, Trust Information Systems Inc., and V-One Corp. -----

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Quantum Computers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert970322.html

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Re: remailer spam throttle
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm a bit behind on my e-mail again... paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk writes: > > > > Well, they can compile the list of addresses off of USENET postings and > > > > such and then compute the hashes of the compiled names and identify > > > > those that are on the anon acceptance list. Not that it completely > > > > invalidates the idea, but certainly it is a problem. > > > > If a time delay isn`t a problem a remailer could operate on the list > > with a MAC, if someone wants to find out if a name is on the list > > they submit a request to the remailer operator who daily executes a > > batch job using a (memorised) key to verify the hashes against one > > another. > > Another idea I just had. > > Alice`s remailer recieves a message for Bob. > > The remailer blinds the message with the prime p, sends bob the > blinded message, a product pq and a random number, x, all the remailer > keeps is q and x. Bob, to retrieve the message as cleartext sends the > remailer x and a request in return the remailer sends bob q, bob > divides pq by q to get p and unblinds the message... Any comments? This is cute, but if Bob has enough clue to do this, then Bob can probably handle anonymous e-mail whose content he doesn't like... --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Sabotaging Big Brother Inside Corporate Complicity
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 1997 at 03:45:47PM -0800, "TruthMonger" wrote: > > > No matter what lengths the government goes to to infringe > > on basic human rights, there will always be individuals and > > corporations fighting over who gets to profit from the actions, > > all the while claiming, "We don't put them in the ovens, we > > just turn on the gas." > > Oh, we're to the death camps, are we? I guess that counts as > invoking Hitler. ...or how Native Americans who died on the Trail of Tears *really wanted* to go for a walk in the country? > > TruthMonger > > "We have met the enemy, and he is Kent." > Actually, you don't have a clue what I think, what my motives > are, or what I favor. Awareness of reality is the first requirement > for sanity. The reality is, dropping the .gov sig-reference _doesn't_ count as 'devoking' Clinton. And given the muddled nature of your thinking on key escrow, I'm not sure whether either one of us has a clue as to what you think. As far as your motives go, that's a matter between you and the Cosmic Muffin. The road to Key Escrow is paved with good intentions. (All of the Chinese got used up building the railroads.) TruthMonger

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Re: LJL into key-escrow? (was Re: The Balloon is Going Up....criminalization of noncompliant crypto)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 1997 at 12:03:27AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: > > "Entrust" is a company Kent has been quoting to > > us in a long running thread on cpunks, as an example of how companies > > really want "key-escrow". > > Just so things are clear, the reasoning is as follows: > 1) Entrust provides a product that includes enterprise > key escrow. > 2) <useless redundancy> > 3) The point of my posting it was to illustrate > that industry perceives a market. > 4) Entrust is a product I happen to be familiar with. You go > to "security" trade shows and you see other companies as > well. Kent, You should try to refrain from embarassing yourself by referring to the above as "reasoning". I'm of a like mind with Bill Stewart and Dr. Robert's, or whoever, who appear to think that compromises on privacy and freedom lead to yellow stars and barbed-wire fences. Now, if you could just give us similar examples to illustrate how the burdgeoning market for Zyklon-B showed that corporations *really wanted* the Holocaust... Or how the Allied POW's in the Battan Death March *really wanted* to go for a walk in the country... -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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