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[Laffs] Citizen in need of correction
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: 21 Apr 1996 03:25:13 +0200 From: anon-remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl (Anonymous) (by way of rah(a)shipwright.com (Robert A. Hettinga)) To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: Citizen in need of correction Organization: Hack-Tic International, Inc. Path: news-central.tiac.net!news-in.tiac.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!how land.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!xs4all!utopia.hacktic.nl!not-for-mail Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.soci ety.anarchy,alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.activism,alt.anarchism,alt.cyberpun k,alt.politics.datahighway Lines: 4 Sender: remailer(a)utopia.hacktic.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: utopia.hacktic.nl Comments: <postmaster(a)utopia.hacktic.nl> Xref: news-central.tiac.net talk.politics.crypto:205 talk.politics.libertarian:3955 alt.politics.libertarian:5165 alt.society.anarchy:606 alt.privacy:251 alt.security.pgp:802 alt.activism:3485 alt.anarchism:116 alt.cyberpunk:492 alt.politics.datahighway:297 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 We seem to have a problem with an inconsiderate citizen. This is a call for bids on the case of jimbell(a)pacifier.com (jimbell) -- Please send your bids to getjim(a)blacknet.net by midnight GMT, April 25th, 1996. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: java security
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:24 PM 4/21/96 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: >>A couple of glitches I've gotten from Javascripts are poorly >>(purposely?) written applets that crash. One kept printing a modal >>dialog box continuously, the result being a need to reboot the >>computer because there was no way to exit Netscape or Windows. > >I can confirm this. Under Win95, I have seen applets that keep running >after the browswer instance that loaded has been closed. Even run over >other applications windows, leaving aninmated artifacts on the screen. >Sometimes only the power switch will do. I thought that the applets weren't >supposed to be able to wander out of their memory space... Were they Java, or JavaScript? Much different. Among other things, JavaScript runs on Win3.1, and Netscape doesn't let you turn it off. I've had at least one event of JavaScript crashing Netscape; the part of the script I noticed was scrolling lots of stuff along the bottom (Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia! Etc. Etc.) but maybe there was more. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215

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Re: DES as a stream cipher
by Tim Dierks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:45 PM 4/22/96, Karl A. Siil wrote: >Folks, > >As this sounds like a previously solved problem, I wanted to find out about >using DES (or any block cipher) as a stream cipher, i.e., in a manner that >keeps input and output data length equal. I don't want to use a true stream >cipher, as I want to use the same key for multiple messages and stream >ciphers tend to place the bulk of their overhead in the re-key. Since stream >ciphers have "memory," I would have to "re-key" to the same key for each of >my messages. I would rather key something like DES once and run it in CBC >mode or use some other form of IV. > >Help or pointers to help are greatly appreciated. Just generate a stream of octets by running DES (or some other block cipher) in the following mode: C_-1 = IV C_n = E_K(C_n-1) i.e., start by encrypting the IV with your key, and thereafter generate a block by encrypting the previous block with your key. Here the IV is essentially part of the key. XOR the resulting bits (or octets) with your plaintext to generate an encrypted stream. Remember within your cipher's state the current output block and how much of it you've used. Note that if you reuse a key, you'll enable attacks that rely on the fact that similar messages will produce similar ciphertext. - Tim Dierks Tim Dierks -- timd(a)consensus.com -- www.consensus.com Head of Thing-u-ma-jig Engineering, Consensus Development

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Re: Entropy
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:16 AM 4/22/96 EST, Jed Liu wrote: > I've heard a lot of discussion here about "entropy tests" and "tests > for randomness". Could somebody please explain to me one of these > tests (or would that take too long?) ? Thanks. You cannot test for entropy, not can you test for randomness. You can however test for particular kinds of non randomness and particular kinds of lack of entropy. Such tests are only useful if you have an adequately understood source of entropy. Each such test is only appropriate for particular sources of entropy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Nazis on the Net
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU>' wrote: > > Randy Weaver was neither a neo-Nazi nor a racist. He was > > (and, so far as I know, still is) a white separatist. > > (One would think liberals would tolerate this - they > > tolerate the equally offensive black separatists, > > after all...). The well known child molester tallpaul wrote: > Might we know the source of his complete info on Weaver's political and > racial beliefs. > > I see, in essence, three hypothesis: > > 1) Cover the ass of a potential neo-Nazi or racist (or both) without any > reference to what is really true; > > 2) Get information from outer space; Well, child-molester-tallpaul, I notice that the liberal lapdog press calls him White-Separatist-Randy-Weaver as though he was baptized "white separatist" at birth. Presumably if they had one grain of evidence that he was a Nazi or a white supremacist, they would call him White-supremacist-Randy-Weaver. I notice that you have not one grain of evidence that he is a nazi, just as I have not one grain of evidence that you fuck little boys up their asses, but you insinuate that he is a Nazi until somehow proven innocent (and how can anyone prove himself innocent of thought crime), and you also insinuate that anyone who suggests otherwise must be a nazi or nazi sympathizer himself. Obvious proof that you are a homosexual child molester. (Note for the seriously humor impaired. I have no more reason to believe that tallpaul rapes little children than tallpaul has to believe that Randy Weaver was a white supremacist or tallpaul has to believe that Allen Smith is a Nazi sympathizer.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: 5th protect password?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:25 PM 4/21/96 +0000, Jonathon Blake wrote: > > The first forensic use of graphology may have occurred as early > as 1960. In 1975, a Juvenile Court Judge in Boulder CO used > graphology forensically to determine the most appropriate method > of handling some of the cases that appeared in _his_ court. > > Most courts in the United States regard the forensic use of > graphology as dubious, at best. A few have ruled against > it. > >> The point is that the demanding of handwriting samples is a fairly new >> What do you want to bet that it first occurred in this century? > > For questioned document examination? Sometime during the > sixties. > For graphological examination? Hasn't occurred yet. Tell this to Unicorn. He seems to disagree, although he hasn't cited specifics yet. > >> If that were the case, there there would be no justification for demanding a >> handwriting sample. Nevertheless, it is apparently done. And while a > > Can you provide a citation where a court has demanded a handwriting > sample for graphological purposes? Adding the conditional "for graphological purposes," I can't. I was merely referring to a SC decision previously quoted here. The writing of that reference didn't make clear what purposes the sample could be used for. > >> Question: Let's suppose, for the purposes of argument, the policy was >> diametrically opposite, and no such samples were taken, ostensibly because > > The gist of the argument is that handwriting samples are public, > and that things are written for public consumption, not private > consumption. > >> would come to the opposite conclusion. You would have to explain to people >> why the precedents were all wrong. > > > You are taking a completely hypothetical situation that never had > a basis in what could have happened. No. What I was trying to do is to get people to stop thinking of legal precedent as being some sort of end-all incident that makes all further discussion pointless. >> demanded of a defendant in 1783, which was about when the 5th amendment was >> written. > > What they said. > Where they said it. > What they had in their possession. > Where they had said items in their possession. > > Note in passing that rules for admitting something into > evidence was a lot looser then, than it is now. If that's really the case, and this would today be considered a clear violation of the 5th, what does that say about the claim that "current government policy" must be right? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Meta: The Arguing about the Terms of the Wager Continues
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:45 PM 4/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > And so the back-and-forth continues...taking up even more list space > arguing, waffling, finessing, rebutting, disputing, and on an on. > > Exactly as several of us have predicted. True, but one should note that it is Jim Bell that is weaseling, and that Unicorn is not weaseling. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Golden Key Campaign
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PRESS RELEASE Wednesday, April 24, 1996 URL: http://www.privacy.org/ipc/ Contact: Marc Rotenberg, EPIC, 202/544-9240 Lori Fena, EFF, 415/436-9333 Barbara Simons, USACM 408/463-5661 Kurt Stammberger, RSA, 415/595-8782 ------------------------------------------ INTERNET PRIVACY COALITION FORMED Golden Key Campaign Launched Groups Urge Good Technology for Privacy and Security Senator Burns to Introduce Legislation ------------------------------------------ WASHINGTON, DC -- A new coalition today urged support for strong technologies to protect privacy and security on the rapidly growing Internet. The Internet Privacy Coalition said that new technologies were critical to protect private communications and on-line commerce, and recommended relaxation of export controls that limit the ability of US firms to incorporate encryption in commercial products. Phil Zimmermann, author of the popular encryption program Pretty Good Privacy, expressed support for the effort of the new coalition. "It is time to change crypto policy in the United States. I urge those who favor good tools for privacy to back the efforts of the Internet Privacy Coalition." GOLDEN KEY CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED The Coalition has asked companies and Internet users to display a golden key and envelope to show support for strong encryption technology. Copies of the logo are available at the group's web page on the Internet. According to Lori Fena, director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the purpose of the campaign is to educate the public about new techniques for privacy protection. "Society's feelings about privacy have not changed, only the medium has," said Ms. Fena. US industry has pressed the US government to relax export controls on encryption as consumer demand for software products has increased. They cite the fact that foreign companies have been able to sell strong products in overseas markets that are now restricted for US firms. Jim Bidzos, President and CEO of RSA Data Security, said that US firms continue to face excessive burdens. "Encryption is the key to on-line commerce. Government regulations are simply keeping US firms out of important markets." The Internet Privacy Coalition is the first attempt to bring together a broad base of companies, cryptographers and public interest organizations around the central goal of promoting privacy and security on the Internet and urging relaxation of export controls. Dr. Barbara Simons, chair of the public policy committee of the Association for Computing said, "The broad support for the Golden Key campaign shows that the reform of encryption policy is a shared goal for companies, users, and professional associations." SENATOR BURNS TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION The Internet Privacy Coalition is being established as Congress considers new legislation to relax export controls on encryption. Senator Conrad Burns (R-MT) today introduced legislation that would relax export controls on commercial products containing technologies for privacy such as encryption. Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said "We believe that Senator Burns has put forward a constructive proposal. We look forward to working with him to ensure that good tools for privacy and security are widely available to Internet users." Hearings on Senator Burns bill are expected to take place in early June. The proposal has already gathered support from a bipartisan coalition in Congress. For Internet users who are interested in following the debate about encryption policy, the IPC has set up a Web page with information about encryption regulations, court challenges, legislative developments, and organizations and companies involved in the campaign. The Internet Privacy Coalition was established by more than a dozen of the nation's leading cryptographers, and thirty associations, companies, and civil liberties organizations committed to strong privacy and security technology for all users of the Internet. URL: http://www.privacy.org/ipc/ ---------------------------------------------- A KEY, AN ENVELOPE -- Both are historic means for communicating privately and protecting personal information. Today, encryption tools provide this privacy in the electronic world. The Golden Key Campaign is being launched to raise awareness and support for the preservation of the right to communicate privately and the availability of new techniques which make it possible. Privacy, a fundamental human right, has been affirmed by the US Supreme Court, the constitutions and laws of many countries, and the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Privacy must be preserved as we move from paper to electronic communications. The Internet Privacy Coalition is urging members of the net community to display a Golden Key & Envelope symbol on their Web pages to show support for the right of privacy and the freedom to use good tools of privacy without government restraints. ----------------------------------------------

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Re: [NOISE] Re: Nazis on the Net
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org" "Rabid Wombat" 23-APR-1996 21:57:59.91 >I'm typing green letters on a black background. All you people with black >characters on a white background should go talk on another 'net. I never said I approved of separatism; I just consider it slightly less evil than racism. It's sort of like the distinction between Chinese censorship of the Net and American (attempted) censorship of the net - both are evil, the American one is just less so because it doesn't go as far. The distinction between racism and separatism isn't as great, admittedly. -Allen

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Re: "Separate but equal" as a racist doctrine
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tallpaul(a)pipeline.com" 24-APR-1996 03:36:53.30 >For some considerable period of time the doctrine of "separate but equal" >was one of the major racist theories in the U.S. I am quite aware of this; I grew up in the South. In practice, it wasn't seperate but equal; it was separate but unequal. This was the intent of the persons pushing it, which made them racist. (They are also justifiably classified as racist on many other grounds). >People who wish to organize for racist ideology behind this doctrine while >proclaiming they are not racists merely place themselves in the old racist >camp. Their organizing for (and their denials of) racist ideology does not >make them less racist, just less honest. Persons who wish to organize for _racist_ ideology, yes. But assuming that every separatist is actually a racist is about like assuming that everyone on this list is an anarcho-capitalist; while correct in the majority of cases, it isn't correct in all. (You and I are both exceptions, for instance.) -Allen

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