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Inviting the vampires into the house
by Tim May 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

By the way, something else from that ACLU site I cited (and sighted): --begin excerpt-- IN YOUR HOME 1. If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you don't have to admit them unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. 2. However, in some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside, or when the police are chasing someone) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant. 3. If you are arrested, the police can search you and the area close by. If you are in a building, "close by" usually means just the room you are in. --end excerpt-- This is why one should _never_ invite cops into a house, even for a chat. They may use nearly any grounds to make an "arrest" (again, arrest does not necessarily mean a booking, or a formal charging, just an arrest of one's freedom to move about or leave). Once an arrest has been made, they may then search the premises (as above) based on this arrest. And anything they see in other areas "in plain sight," such as bottles of pills or a rifle case, etc., may be used to expand the search. I've also heard it reported that it is _easier_ for cops to arrest a person if he steps _outside_ his house. Not sure why, but it may have to do with some reptilian brain memory of "a man's home is his castle" or even to court precedent related to the above example. In other words, arresting a person in his home opens the home up to warrantless searches "so avoid this if possible." It seems to me the ideal balance is then this: -- if cops knock and one decides to answer the door rather than hole up or shoot it out, then: -- talk to them from inside the home -- don't invite them in -- and don't step out -- keep them on the outside and oneself on the inside Of course, answering the door and, after hearing what their business is (it might be something unrelated to one's own legal status, such as a warning about an impending flood, etc.), one can and probably _should_ say "I have nothing to say to you." Then they can make the next move, either escalating things to an arrest or presenting a duly-signed search warrant (which one can check...and my idea of "checking" would mean closing my door and calling the court house to verify that the named judge did in fact sign a warrant for my address....this is what "duly signed" can only mean, that the presentee gets to check it). (I would never say "Talk to my lawyer" for two reasons. First, I don't keep a lawyer on retainer or even know the name of one. Second, lawyers bill by the quarter hour...I recall in the case of a probate matter I was involved in, that merely phoning the lawyer to ask a simple question showed up as a $75 charge on his probate fee bill. And this guy was just a probate lawyer shlub, not even a highly paid Jew criminal lawyer! There is no way I will let a nosy cop run up a tab with some shyster.) --Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat

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Arrest and Identification
by Tim May 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Reminder about talking to cops, being stopped and held by cops, being told to produce ID, etc. As there's much of the old chatter here about these issues, I dug up the ACLU card that is recommended to be carried by all persons. Or read and understood. Here's a Web version. A PDF version for efficient printing is also available: <http://archive.aclu.org/issues/criminal/bustcardtext.html> A couple of paragraphs relevant to the current discussion about whether being stopped for question is "arrest," whether ID is required to be carried, etc.: --begin excerpt 2. You don't have to answer a police officer's questions, but you must show your driver's license and registration when stopped in a car. In other situations, you can't legally be arrested for refusing to identify yourself to a police officer. 3. You don't have to consent to any search of yourself, your car or your house. If you DO consent to a search, it can affect your rights later in court. If the police say they have a search warrant, ASK TO SEE IT. 4. Do not interfere with, or obstruct the police -- you can be arrested for it. IF YOU ARE STOPPED FOR QUESTIONING 1. It's not a crime to refuse to answer questions, but refusing to answer can make the police suspicious about you. You can't be arrested merely for refusing to identify yourself on the street. 2. Police may "pat-down" your clothing if they suspect a concealed weapon. Don't physically resist, but make it clear that you don't consent to any further search. 3. Ask if you are under arrest. If you are, you have a right to know why. --end excerpt-- --Tim May "'I'm sorry that Tim is being a bother again. He has a long history of being obnoxious and threatening. So far, he has not broken any laws. We have talked to the authorities about him on numerous occasions. They have chosen to watch but not act. Please feel free to notify me f he does anything that is beyond rude and actually violates any laws and I will immediately inform the authorities. Thank You Don Fredrickson

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Ontario, Canada's Largest Marijuana Growing Operation -- Molson Brewery, Barrie, Ontario
by Tim Meehan 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

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Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment
by Nostradumbass＠SAFe-mail.net 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

At 03:20 PM 1/11/2004, Jamie Lawrence wrote: >A client/friend recently spent 9 hours in jail for failure to carry a wallet. He was doing something mildly suspicious, but not illegal. NYC has a very entrenched industry dealing with "processing" people the cops pick up. This has only gotten worse since Bloomberg and his "quality of life" racket. Breathing Without ID is essentially a crime that costs a day of your life, not less than ~$200, and a lot of humiliation. I thought the San Francisco cops were bad, before I moved here. (My friend was even told by the cops what to expect, and how best to optimize for getting out quickly. Kafka would have trouble doing better.) >There was a mildly publicized incident in another part of Brooklyn recently where someone was ticketed after their child's balloon popped in public. A noise infraction. Quality of live, indeed. "There are no quotas, but if you don't meet them, you're on report." This is one of the 'applications' for Zombie Patriots. Set up those practicing tyranny under color of the law for a quick trip to the coroner. Bring the fun of Hammas to New York. "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago

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Cypherpunks List Info
by cpunk＠lne.com 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

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Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment
by Nostradumbass＠SAFe-mail.net 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

At 03:20 PM 1/11/2004, Jamie Lawrence wrote: >A client/friend recently spent 9 hours in jail for failure to carry a wallet. He was doing something mildly suspicious, but not illegal. NYC has a very entrenched industry dealing with "processing" people the cops pick up. This has only gotten worse since Bloomberg and his "quality of life" racket. Breathing Without ID is essentially a crime that costs a day of your life, not less than ~$200, and a lot of humiliation. I thought the San Francisco cops were bad, before I moved here. (My friend was even told by the cops what to expect, and how best to optimize for getting out quickly. Kafka would have trouble doing better.) >There was a mildly publicized incident in another part of Brooklyn recently where someone was ticketed after their child's balloon popped in public. A noise infraction. Quality of live, indeed. "There are no quotas, but if you don't meet them, you're on report." This is one of the 'applications' for Zombie Patriots. Set up those practicing tyranny under color of the law for a quick trip to the coroner. Bring the fun of Hammas to New York. "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago

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Current Operational Nodes?
by Thoenen, Peter Mr CN Sprint SFOR 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Cross posting on multiple nodes since none seem reliable. Now that LNE is shutting down ... are there actually any other reliable operational nodes? Have subscribed to minder.net, algebra.com, and ds.pro-ns.net all in the last two weeks to no avail. Some return subscribed message but never forward actual traffic (just spam). Think I actually got one or two operational messages from algebra but thats it. Do we want another node? I can throw one up if wanted / needed / trusted (being a contractor for 'the man' and all such bullshit jazz) or do we just want to let this list die? Not a big fan of newsgroups. If wanted, will host offsite on a non-gov commercial server. Personal politics aside, its an enjoyable list to lurk on :) -Peter

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Canada issues levy on non-removable memory (for MP3 players)
by Adam 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

I know this story is quite a bit old, but I really have to wonder how legal this levy is. http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/news/c20032004nr-e.html "The Board also sets for the first time a levy on non-removable memory permanently embedded in digital audio recorders (such as MP3 players) at $2 for each recorder with a memory capacity of up to 1 Gigabyte (Gb), $15 for each recorder with memory capacity of more than 1 Gb and up to 10 Gbs, and $25 for each recorder with memory capacity of more than 10 GBs." It just seems to me to be a bit sketchy to tax intended illegal usage. I mean, that'd be like taxing condoms b/c of prostitution. Would something like this go over in the US? I wonder ... -- Adam

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Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment
by Nostradumbass＠SAFe-mail.net 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

> At 08:10 PM 1/9/2004, Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)parrhesia.com> wrote: > > Did you actually read the opinion, or just read some screwball summary of it? Obviously not well enough. Thanks for straightening me out. > > >In Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942) the Supreme Court > >[...] > > Nope. That opinion was written, as the citation indicated, by the Court of > Appeals for the First Circuit, not the Supreme Court. > > > unbelievably held that U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) had not > > intended "to formulate a general rule" regarding which arms were > > protected by the Second Amendment and therefore many types of arms were > > not protected. > > While I do think that the 2nd Amendment does, in fact, protect an > individual right to keep and bear arms, I think that the 1st Circuit's > reasoning re _Miller_ in _Cases_ is actually quite reasonable. The opinion > points out that interpreting _Miller_ so that it says the 2nd Amendment > means that Congress can regulate firearms, but only ineffective or useless > ones, is nonsensical. While I don't think the Ninth Circuit reads _Miller_ > in a reasonable fashion, I don't think the "only useless weapons may be > regulated" is an especially rational interpretation of it, either. > > >A plain reading of Miller meant only weapons with non-military application > >could be regulated by Congress and that could not be right because it > >challenged the 'right' of government to have a force monopoly. So the > >Court's reasoning was that the Founders could not have meant for the > >federal government to have any effective deterrent to its tyranny from the > >citizenry. Even after absorbing the opinion, I cannot fathom how > >convoluted a reading of the historical record those on bench needed in > >order to arrive at their conclusion. Pretzel logic indeed! > > Yes, that is an unreasonable conclusion to reach. It is also unreasonable > to conclude that the 2nd Amendment means that no regulation of weapons is > constitutionally permissible. Its hard to square the Founder's purpose of providing the common citizen, through a militia (which a National Guard), with an effective physical deterrent to governmental tyranny with many restrictions on the type of weapons a citizen in good standing may keep and bear. Though allowing the guy next door to own a nuke or a F-15 may be going too far, its not unreasonable for any of us to keep and bear any arm that our police forces (including S.W.A.T. teams) field. >Even the 1st Amendment - which contains the > words "shall make no law" - is interpreted to allow some regulation of > speech. (e.g., shouting theater in a crowded fire, etc.) Only if there is no fire. When a government comes to a bad end there is indeed a fire in the theater.

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Assoc Press sports contact list
by Anonymous 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Some # for GWB is in this. > The AP Sports desk accidentally emailed out there sports rolodex > today to other newsies. If you've been wanting to raise hell with > Peter Ueberroth, talk to Hammering Hank, or see how much Pete Rose > was actually wagering - give em a call. Before they change their > numbers. 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713-351-8171 > Colangelo Jerry 602-379-7999; 602-379-2020; 602-263-8416 > Coleman Leonard 908-706-9015 (h) > Collins Bud 617-929-2842; 617-862-1730 (h) > Condon Tom 816-531-5777 > Condron Bob USOC-719-578-4529 > Cook Beano 412-281-2456 > Cook Stanton 312-222-3301; 312-404-4050; 708-251-3065 (h) > Cooperstown 607-547-7200; 607-547-0332 > Corso Lee 800-824-9430; 407-333-2228 (h) > Cortez, Christine 522-1905. > Cosell Hilary 203-322-5501 > Cosell Jill 203-329-7778 > Cousy Bob 508-791-2777 (h); 617-326-8825 > Cowens Dave 617-787-7678 > Cox Bobby 404-916-0460 (h) > Coyle Harry 201-696-5420 (h) > Criqui Don 201-226-1170 > Csonka Larry 216-424-7467; 904-221-0921 > Cubbage Mike 804-985-2076 > Cunningham Sam 213-598-4809 > Curtis Mike 202-463-2100 > Dallos Andrew 212-456-4878; 212-532-4401 (h) > Dalton Harry 414-351-4792, 2206 (h) > Dark Alvin 803-855-2163 > David Chili 602-585-3524 (h) > Davidson John 914-273-3983 > Davis Al 213-821-0690 (h); 213-322-3541 > Davis Eric 818-704-1771 (h); 513-731-6567 (h) > Davis Marvin 303-623-1000; 303-861-4600; 303-789-2555 (h) > Dawson, Len 816-561-7510 > Dawson Len 816-942-7614 > de Varona Donna 972-9170 > Deane Bill (baseball hof librarian) 607-547-1201 > DeBartolo Eddie 216-533-4060; 415-854-3350 > DeBusschere Dave 943-4175 > DeFrantz Anita 213-730-9614 > DeLuca Len 212-975-1117 > Dent Bucky 407-368-0780 (h) > Devine Dan 314-882-2055 > Dierdorf Dan 314-469-6960; 314-469-3221 (h) > DiMaggio Joe 415-931-5711; 305-865-9961, ext 1721; 415-673-2266 > Ditka Mike 708-735-0315; 813-434-2818 > Dixon Don 463-2620 > Dodds, DeLoss 512-471-5757 > Dolgon Howard - 714-1280 > Dombrowski Dave 305-626-7404; 305-767-0015 (h) > Donlan Jack 914-779-4192 > Doubleday Nelson 212-223-6518; 516-676-4284 (h); 508-325-5550 (h) > Douglas, Buster 614-265-2257 > Downtown Athletic Club 425-7000 > Doyle Brian 813-293-8516 > Dozoretz Linda IMG-213-656-4499; 213-654-1196 (h) > Driesell Lefty 301-622-0786 > Drucker Jim 704-541-6339 > Dryden Ken 416-962-7280 > Duffy Bill (Jason Kidd's agent) 510-975-5955 > Dundee Angelo 305-964-9592; 305-625-9999 > Dupree Marcus 601-264-8141; 601-583-4943 > Duva Dan 201-389-9000 > Eagleson Alan 416-863-6000 > Earnhardt Dale 704-596-9002 704-371-3334. > Ebersol Dick 212-664-2468 > Edwards Harry 510-642-4773; 510-657-8005 > Edwards Harry 415-657-8005; 415-642-4773 > Einhorn Eddie 312-451-5237; 201-784-0090 (h) > Elias Stats 869-1530. > Elliott Bill 404-262-7811; 404-993-6380. > Eller Carl 612-642-9363 > Elway John 303-792-2000 > Eruzione Mike 617-846-9484 > ESPN Newsroom 203-585-2135 > Face Elroy 412-829-7073 > Fairbanks Chuck 619-773-3727 > Falk David (agent for Jordan, Ewing) 202-686-2000 > Favell Doug 416-562-5489 > Fehr Don 914-939-3439 > Fehr Steve 816-474-1240 > Fencik Gary 312-472-8793 (h); 312-390-8500 > Ferguson Claire US Figure Skating-401-423-2114 > Ferraro Jim football agent-305-375-0111 > Ferrin Arnie 801-583-4313 > Finkel Shelly 682-9400 > Finley Charley 312-946-8900; 312-467-0442 (h) > Finn Richard 772-9761 > Firestone Roy 213-469-8111 > Fishoff David 757-1605 > Flutie Doug 617-653-8374 > Foerderer Norma Trump Plaza-832-2000 > Foley Dave 513-324-0092 > Ford Whitey 516-482-3504 (h); 516-997-9690 > Forte Chet 397-9870 > Fouts Dan 503-388-2078 (h) > Fraley, Bob 407-843-0191; 876-3766 (h) > Francesa Mike - 718-706-7650 WFAN ; 516-432-9427 > Francis Bevo 216-532-1879 > Finkel Shelly 682-9400 > Finley Charley 312-946-8900; 312-467-0442 (h) > Finn Richard 772-9761 > Firestone Roy 213-469-8111 > Fishoff David 757-1605 > Flutie Doug 617-653-8374 > Foerderer Norma Trump Plaza-832-2000 > Foley Dave 513-324-0092 > Ford Whitey 516-482-3504 (h); 516-997-9690 > Forte Chet 397-9870 > Fouts Dan 503-388-2078 (h) > Fraley, Bob 407-843-0191; 876-3766 (h) > Francesa Mike - 718-706-7650 WFAN ; 516-432-9427 > Francis Bevo 216-532-1879 > Francis Carl (NFLPA) 202-463-2216; 703-264-9093 (h) > Frank Barry 772-8900 > Fratello Mike 404-951-0144 > Frazier Joe 215-221-5303 > Frazier Walt 222-3704 > Froemming, Bruce 414-355-2565 > Futch Eddie 818-918-0280 > Gaines Rowdy 702-647-6939 > Garagiola Joe 602-951-9091 > Garagiola Joe 602-951-9542 (h) > Garner Phil 713-358-3545 (h) > Garvey Ed 608-258-1522; 608-238-0544 (h) > Gastineau Mark 516-421-3294 > Gaston Cito 813-736-0335 (h) > Gedman Rich 617-877-8487 > Gene Scott - 753-8961 (h) > Genelius Sandy 212-975-5392; 724-0587 (h) > George Tom Grant Hill agent-202-333-3838 > Giles Bill 215-462-1170; 610-525-5540 (h) > Gillick Pat 416-341-1233; 416-278-8132 (h) > Ginsberg Stu NBAPA-371-0798, 718-793-4912 (h) > Glass Sam 516-922-3255; 308-3647 > Glickman Marty 212-628-8200 > Glover Rich 408-294-5813 > Goetz Raymond 913-842-3786 > Goldstein Joe 212-629-0370; 516-877-2674 (h) > Gooden Dwight 813-864-0415 (h) > Goodenow Bob 416-482-4182 (h) > Gordon Jeff 704-377-8727; 704-455-3400. > Gordon Randy 417-5700; 516-785-4299 > Gorman Lou 617-236-6655; 617-235-2734, 2984 (h) > Gossett Peggy (Evert flak) 407-495-5599 (h); 407-394-2400 > Gowdy Curt 603-869-2257 > Gowdy Curt Jr 203-966-1145 > Green Dallas 610-869-0736; 809-946-4548 > Green Roy 314-432-6160 > Greenberg Steve 212-529-8000; 212-348-5430 (h) > Greene Joe 214-298-0374 > Greenspan Bud 212-249-1800; 212-838-7651 (h) > Greg Sharko ATP-904-285-8000 > Griese Bob 305-443-7416; 305-665-9857 (h) > Griffith Calvin 305-725-6296 > Griffith Emile 718-479-4955; 718-479-7330 > Griffith Joyner Florence 714-759-9079 > Grinker Ron 513-761-7770 > Gumbel Bryant 664-4147 > Guthrie Glenn (Barkley manager) 205-970-9113 > Gwynn Tony 619-679-9289 (h) > Haas Wally 415-221-2667 > 9 Haddix Harvey 513-322-4528 (h) > Ham Jack 412-741-9475 > Harazin Al 914-472-5403 (h) > Harp Dick 913-843-7655 > Harrell, Akieva 522-4461. > Harrelson Bud 516-360-0139 (h) > Harris Franco 412-322-5500 > Harvey Doug 619-279-7177 > Hazzard Larry 609-292-0317 > Heep Danny 512-751-2519 > Heiss Jenkins Carol 216-864-3200. > Heitz Thomas (Baseball HOF) 607-547-1201 > Hillenburg Andy 704-455-1700. > Helmick Bob 515-244-1116 > Helmick Robert 888-9028 (h); 415-9200 > Henrich Tommy 602-772-7866 > Herzog Whitey 314-842-5609 (h) > Hinckley Rob 415-945-8260 > Hobson Butch 508-898-3544 (h) > Hoffman, Stan 629-3410 > Holmes, Larry 215-253-4553 > Holtzman, Jerome 708-475-5163 > Holzman Red 516-295-5745; 516-295-4565 > Horner Bob 214-252-0814; 602-931-4739 > Hornung Paul 502-583-9000; 502-897-7085 (h) > Houk Ralph 813-324-1073 > Howe Steve 406-862-2658 > Hrbek Kent 612-884-6833 (h) > Huarte John 602-438-1324 > Hubbard Jan 212-407-8324; 908-789-9670 (h) > Huff Sam 202-897-7070 > Huizenga Wayne 305-832-3223; 305-467-2576 (h) > Hunt, Lamar 214-691-9189 > Hunt Ron 314-673-2921 > Hunter Catfish 919-426-7998 > Hyde Harvey 818-355-1709 > Iacobelli Pete 803-741-9077 > IBF - 201-414-0300 > IMG 202-822-1360; 216-522-1200 > Irvin Monte 904-382-0228 > Jackson, Charlie 914-476-7809 (h); 212-872-5225 > Jackson Jesse 202-986-0550 > Jackson Keith 818-783-7643; 604-883-9386 > Jackson Reggie 510-644-0044 (h) > Jackson, Roger 212-522-2420. > Jacobs Eli 212-688-7166; 212-688-7110 > Jeffrey H. Smulyen 317-266-0100; 317-297-9700 (h) > Jiggetts Dan 312-565-5532 > Joe Billy 513-376-6319; 513-767-7153 (h) > John McMullen 212-466-2200 > Johnson Davey 407-628-4860 (h) > Johnson Dave (horse racing) 212-755-6867 > Johnson John Henry 412-682-7743 > Johnson, Magic 310-788-7690; 310-451-4530 > Jordan Lee Roy 214-357-7317 > Joyce Andrea 212-787-3346 (h) > Kapstein Jerry 619-457-2470; 619-453-8757 (h) > Karch Sarge 202-861-1671 > Kasten Stan 404-827-3826; 404-614-1366; 404-394-2228 (h) > Katz Mike 673-0133 > Kazmaier Dick 508-371-1732 > Keener, Steve (Little League) 717-326-1921 > Kensil Jim 516-541-5871 > Kern Rex 805-654-1548 > Kessler, Jeffrey 310-8646 > Kheel Robert 212-821-8234; 212-799-0332 (h) > Kibler John 619-433-6125 > Kidd Dusty Nike-503-671-6453 > Kiefler Carl Willie Mays agent-201-251-9307 > Kiick Jim 305-765-1041; 305-249-6570 > King Billie Jean 216-522-1200; 312-245-5300; 312-647-0505 > King Don 212-794-2900; 212-758-4285; 216-272-5474; 305-568-3500 > King, Peter 522-1212; 201-509-2240. > Kinney Jeff 708-668-5308 (h); 312-559-1761 > Kiper Mel 301-744-7922; 410-692-2032 > Klein Eric (Rickey Henderson agent) 310-858-1872 > Kliever Lonnie 214-692-2102 > Knoblauch Chuck 713-782-3345 (h) > Kohn Marvin 838-9230; 838-4230 > Koufax Sandy 207-469-2053 > Kramer Jack 213-472-3801 > Kramer Jerry 208-722-5877 > Kristin Matt (US Figure Skating) 719-635-5200 > Kuhn, Bowie 904-285-9935, 904-285-9938; 516-653-4133 > La Russa Tony 510-838-4679 > La Russa Tony 415-838-4679 (h) > Labonte Bobby 704-788-7979 > Lachemann Rene 602-488-4575 (h) > LaCivita Ric 203-226-3465 > Land Peter 212-249-6312 (h) > Landeta Sean 410-825-8855 > Landry, Tom 214-750-7474 > Lane Mills 702-328-3220 > Lanier Bob 414-241-4667 (h) > Lans Allen Dr 754-2500 > Lapchick Richard 617-373-4025 > Lapchick Richard 617-437-4025 > Lapin East West 532-7673 > LaPlaca Chris 203-585-2239; 203-676-8587 (h) > Lasorda Tommy 714-870-4894 > Lauren Rich 718-858-4370 > Lavalle Nye 214-407-9560 > Lawton Lynnore (Women's Sports Foundation) 516-542-4700 > Leaird Ana (WTA) 813-895-5000; 800-425-9488; 813-576-6001 (h) > Leaver Linda (Brian Boitano coach) 415-948-2478 > Lemon Bob 213-424-9839 > Levinsohn Ross 512-1066 > Lewin Dennis 212-456-3437 > Lewis Butch 302-582-4344; 302-594-0700 > Lewis, Carl 713-984-1933 > Ley Bob 203-585-2144; 203-583-2300 (h) > Lilly Bob 505-523-7749 > Lindsay Ted 313-375-2437 > Little Larry 614-792-6189 > Lolich Mickey 313-693-0029 > Lopez Al 813-839-6584 > Lopez Hector 516-678-6118 > Louganis, Greg 310-312-3132; 310-457-3910 > Lucas John 713-799-8336; 713-799-1705 > Lucchino Larry 619-584-7201; 619-454-1995 (h) > Luckman Sid 305-932-6200; 312-544-1600 > Lynch Dick 248-7990 > Lynn Mike 612-475-1016 (h) > Macallister Steve (NHLPA) 416-408-4040; 905-455-0563 (h) > Mackey John 213-684-1459 > MacPhail Lee 407-752-1369; 407-278-9945; 407-243-1371 > Madden John 415-846-7770; 212-874-3958; 415-820-2630 > Magowan Peter 415-330-2599; 415-931-3295 (h) > Major League BB Alumni 800-33-MLBPA > Mandel Mark 212-456-4867; 201-251-8156 (h) > Mangione Steve Steinbrenner flak-- 518-1600 > Mann Carol 972-9170 > Mantle's Restaurant 688-7777 > Mara Chris 914-234-6764 > Mara Wellington 914-967-1776 (h) > Margenau Eric Dr 353-3560; 473-1700; 741-4668 > Markbreit Jerry 708-677-9379 (h) > Markey Ed - 212-664-2014; 932-2665 (h) > Marlin Sterling 704-782-2588 > Martin Mark 910-622-5160. > Mays Willie 884-2424; 415-326-2424 > McCovey Willie 707-649-0900 > McDonough Sean 617-984-0928 (h) > McDonough Will 617-929-2873; 617-749-6070 > McEnroe John Sr - 212-373-3016 > McGraw Tug 215-581-4573 > McGuire Al 414-781-6300; 414-483-2110 > McIntyre Brian NBA-212-826-7000; 914-633-7596 (h) > McKernan Pat 505-843-6573 > McLain Denny 219-432-4679 (h) > McMorris Jerry 303-312-2342; 303-484-4441 (h) > McMullen John 466-2200 > Meggyesy Dave 415-546-7866 > Mercante Arthur 516-292-9000, ext 218; 516-248-6884 > Mercein Chuck 914-472-4021 (h); 232-6922 > Merritt Tom 201-583-4445; 212-371-5910 > Michael Gene 718-579-4405; 201-934-6166 (h) > Michaels Al 213-395-2174 > Michaels Walt 717-256-3425 > Mikita Stan 718-574-2370 > Millen Matt 215-434-3781 (h) > Miller, Marvin 212-737-5047 > Modell Art 216-951-3637 (h) > Moe Doug 303-694-6167 (h) > Monaghan Kevin 212-664-5407, 718-965-4371 (h) > Moore Archie 619-238-0450 > Moore Lenny 301-655-6239 (h); 301-333-6777; 301-333-1059; > 301-333-8289 > Moran Mike USOC-719-578-4529 > Morgan Joe 510-482-0876 (h) > Morrall Earl 305-475-8200 > Morris Mercury 305-443-4040 > Morrison Scotty 416-245-0443 (h); 416-595-1345 > Moses Edwin 513-263-5180; 714-855-1846 > Moss Dick 988-6767; 310-454-9991 > Motta Dick 208-945-2571; 407-229-1071; 801-752-5839 > Moyer, Jay (NFL lawyer) 212-534-2464 (h) > Murphy Eileen (Nightline) 202-887-7289 > Murray Bill 413-637-2617 > Musburger Brent 203-227-4651 (h) > Musburger Todd 312-664-2600 > Muster Brad 415-897-3853 > NBA - 212-826-7000 > Neale Harry 716-689-2234 > Neinas Chuck CFA-303-530-5566 > Nelson Todd 619-268-2871 > Nettles Graig 619-481-5444 > Newman Rock 202-371-2100 > NFL - 212-758-1500 > NHL 212-789-2000 > NHL - 212-398-1100 > NHLPA 416-408-4040 > Nichols Hank 215-645-4621 > NL - 212-339-7700 > NYRA 718-641-4700 > O'Connor Chuck 212-249-8586; 703-329-1968 (h) > Oerter Al 516-669-1376 (h); 516-575-3218; 516-349-5273 > Oliver Al 817-792-3511 > Olsen Merlin 818-576-0434 > O'Malley Peter 213-224-1314 > O'Neil Terry 212-664-4021; 203-661-0247, 9744 (h) > Orr Bobby 617-451-1963 > Orza Gene 212-980-9024 > Ostertag Thomas 914-337-3240 (h) > Owen Mickey 417-866-2148 > Pacheco Ferdie 305-573-2874 > Packer Billy 919-998-2505 > Page Alan 612-297-5922; 612-296-6951 > Pahl Al 414-465-6766; 414-465-6646 (h) > Palmer Jim 407-626-6661 > Palmieri Sergio (McEnroe's manager) 39-51-226214 > Parseghian Ara 219-233-9481 > Parseghian Ara 219-272-0186 (h); 219-233-9481 > Pascal Sal 212-822-1399 > Patkin Max 215-783-5933 > Patterson Floyd 914-255-0802 > Paul Gabe 813-831-8178 (h) > Payton Gary 415-536-2190 > Payton Walter 312-843-0034; 708-605-0034 > Pearl Davey 702-451-9931 > Pearson Drew 214-638-2414 > Pensick Matt (US Figure Skating) 719-635-5200 > Perez Tony (boxing) 212-293-0908 > Perman Marc (Barkley agent) 212-529-5800; 213-275-6800 > Perry Barbara (Capriati agent) 215-568-4444 > Peters Keith (Jordan marketing) 503-671-3732 > Petronelli Pat 617-583-6637; 617-697-7617 > Phelps Digger 219-232-6486 > Phillips Bum 713-499-6369 > Phillips Richie 215-979-3200; 215-647-5785; 215-647-6141 (h) > Phipps Mike 305-566-2742 > Pincus Arthur NHL-212-1789-2150; 718-796-7397 (h) > Pohlad Carl 612-341-7927; 612-922-3613 (h) > Policy Carmen 415-326-7701 > Posey Sam 203-364-0156 > Postema Pam 714-361-3792 (h) > Pound Dick 514-397-3037; 514-931-0000 (h) > Presten Sy 42-5058 > Pro Serv703-276-3030 > Puckett Kirby 612-493-4647 (h) > Pugh Jethro 214-939-0431 > Quinn Bob 415-330-2502 > Quinn Jim 914-273-3651; 310-8000 > Quisenberry Dan 913-491-1262 > Raines Tim 813-254-7844 > Ralph Nader 202-387-8030 > Ralston John 415-854-5308 > Ramsay Jack 609-399-0104 > Randolph Willie 201-848-0281 (h) > Rappaport Dennis 718-631-7228 (h); 718-978-3300; 718-528-4087 > Ravitch Richard 212-570-1030 (h); 914-764-5574 (h) > Reaves John 713-496-3690 > Reich Tom 213-556-2750; 412-391-2626; 813-957-1372 > Reinsdorf Jerry 312-440-1122; 312-640-1313 (h); 602-596-8500 (h) > Rich Lauren 718-858-4370 > Richard Henri 514-687-8500 > Riggs Bobby 619-435-0402; 819-436-3627 > Rigney Bill 510-837-8353 > Riska Rudy 425-7000 > Roberts Robin 813-985-7688 (h) > Roberts Tom 213-377-6969 > Robertson Oscar 513-984-0990 > Robinson Brooks 301-539-7400; 301-659-4899 > Robinson Eddie 318-247-3907 (h) > Robinson John 714-692-1994 > Robinson Rachel 290-8600 > Rodgers Bill 617-655-9232; 508-653-9313 > Rodgers Guy 213-665-4370; 213-660-3857 > Rose Pete 800-803-7383 radio show ; 407-488-7383 restaurant > Rose Rich 310-552-2711 > Rosen Al 619-321-7627 > Rosenstein Jay 212-975-6657; 914-354-9164 (h) > Royal Darrell 512-495-4517; 512-327-5554 (h); 512-471-1156 > Rozelle Pete 619-756-2635 > Rubenstein Howard 489-6900 > Rudd Irving 516-741-3232; 718-428-1427 (h) > Rudd Ricky 704-663-7778. > Runge Paul 619-579-5808 > Russell Bill 206-232-2405; 206-236-0765 (h) > Ryan Buddy 502-839-9838 > Ryan Jim 913-749-3325; 913-631-1100 > Saban, Lou 813-645-1495 > Sack Alan Dr 203-389-5284 (h); 203-932-7285 > Sain Johnny 708-968-8779 > Sam Rutigliano 803-768-7058; 216-256-9829 > Sample Johnny 215-472-5227 > Sands Jack 617-227-5535 > Sax Steve 916-652-3775 (h) > Sayers Gale 708-982-1030 > Schaffel Lewis 305-577-4328 > Schanzer Ken 212-664-2437 > Schayes Dolph 315-446-5186 > Schmidt Joe 313-353-5577 > Schramm Tex 214-363-6665; 305-294-6715 (h) > Schuerholz John 404-614-1368; 404-237-8711 (h) > Scott Ray Bass Anglers-205-286-9724 > Seifert George 408-732-8822 (h) > Selig Bud 414-933-4114; 414-352-0927 (h) > Selmon Lee Roy 813-974-2125 > Sexton Jimmy (Reggie White, Heath Shuler agent) 901-763-4900 > Shamsky Art 751-6387 > Shell Donnie 803-252-1223 > Sheridan Danny 205-476-1122 > Shula Don 305-828-0281 (h) > Silverman Ira 686-5983 > Simpson OJ 213-820-5702 > Skowron Bill 708-893-3379 > Slusher Howard 213-541-0035 > Smith Tal 713-965-0410 > Solomon Artie 914-472-3390 (h); 914-472-6598 > Soltys Mike 203-585-2242; 203-589-8361 (h) > Spahn Warren 918-297-2400 > Spence Jim 605-0255 > Sperber Murray 812-855-4433; 812-339-5308 (h) > Spitz Mark 213-879-1184 > Springstead Marty 813-922-9149 > Stabler Ken 205-433-8888 > Stabler Ken 205-433-8888 > Stack Ed 269-1833 > Stallworth John 205-533-6497 > Starr Bart 205-945-4974 > Staubach Roger 214-386-0739 (h); 714-720-8700 > Steinbrenner 813-281-9001; 813-886-7130; 718-884-0591; 718-884-0791 > Steiner Jim 314-862-5560 > Stephenson Dwight 305-5573230 > Steve Young 801-226-1010 > Stouffer Kelly 308-327-2969 > Stram Hank 504-892-4771 > Strickland Bill Chris Webber agent-202-822-1360 > Strock Don 305-887-7756 > Suder Pete 412-375-7518 > Sugar Bert 730-1374 > Swann Lynn 412-391-8242 > Swanson Dennis 212-456-3710 > Tagliabue Paul 212-472-1998; 301-320-7271; 212-758-1500, ext 6923 > Tanner Chuck 412-658-6717 > Tarkenton Fran 404-231-8575 > Taylor Alan 714-1280 > Team Tennis - 312-245-5300 > Tekulve Kent 412-257-0471 > Theismann Joe - 305-428-7507 parents > Thomas Dave-Te 718-843-6934; 718-848-5256 (h) > Thompson Charles 513-268-9304 > Thon Dickie 809-796-2198 (h) > Thrift Syd 804-435-0515; 703-591-6459; 703-591-6511 > Tisch Bob 212-545-2828 > Tittle YA 415-328-7586 > Torre Joe 314-425-0668 (h) > Towler Deacon Dan 213-343-4446; 213-684-1556 (h) > Trabert Tony 904-285-4362 > Trainer Mike 301-657-4771 > Tranghese Mike 401-831-0588 > Trautwig Al - 887-6793; 516-674-3730 > Trebelhorn Tom 503-232-5903 (h) > Trope Mike 213-478-4799 > Troy Jim 203-352-8649 > Trudeau Garry - 721-5075 > Tunney Jim 408-624-1111; 408-659-3200 > Turner Bulldog 817-865-5561 > Turner Ted 404-827-1827 > Tutko Thomas Dr 408-688-7249 (h); 408-924-1374 > Ueberroth Peter 213-312-1888 > Underwood John 305-367-3172 > Upshaw Gene 202-463-2212 (h); 703-759-6004. > US Figure Skating 719-635-5200 > USTA 914-696-7000 > USTA 914-696-0300 > Vaccaro Jimmy 702-791-7242 > Vaccaro Sonny 213-454-0921 > Valentine Bobby 817-925-0919 (h) > Vargo Ed 412-287-3066 > Veeck Mike 305-783-2111 > Vermeil Dick 215-486-0199 > Vincent Fay 212-288-0112 > Viola Frank 305-788-1751 (h) > Visser Lesley 212-752-1832 > Vitale Dick 813-794-6841 > Waitz Grete 904-332-0544 > Wallace Allen 714-494-7866. > Wallace Kenny 704-785-9191 414-931-4307 704-664-2300. > Wallace Mike 910-631-9375. > Wallace Rusty 205-582-3711. > Walsh Bill 415-327-1991 (h) > Walsh Jim 688-6310 > Walton Bill 619-294-9085 > Waltrip Darrell 704-455-3500. > Washington Kermit 503-684-5713 > Washton Arnold Dr 213-4900 > Watson Bob 713-799-9611; 713-467-0760 (h) > Weaver Earl 305-558-2610 > Weber Michael (WWF) 203-352-8600 > Weisman Mike 310-471-5565; 213-551-2270 > White Bill 215-982-5816; 212-754-4611. > White Charles 714-458-3844 > Whitfield Shelby 908-536-7084 > Williams Buck 503-720-1002 > Williams Ted 813-796-7716 > Wilpon Fred 516-773-3800; 212-953-4000; 516-759-5500 (h) > Wilpon Fred 516-759-5500 > Wine Bobby 610-539-6755 (h) > Winfield Dave 213-472-8704 (h) > Winslow Kellen 708-655-5939 > Wladika Vince 212-556-2472; 908-264-3689 (h) > Wolf David 362-3686; 595-0454 > Wolff Roger 618-826-3866 > Wooden John 818-343-2266 > Woods Ickey 513-769-3334 > Woy Bucky 214-252-4738 > Wynn Early 813-485-3996 > Young George 201-935-3491; 201-935-9212; 201-825-7361 (h) > Young Steve 801-226-1010; 801-649-2499 > Youngblood Jack 714-633-2251 > Ziegler John 313-625-2914 > Zimmer Don 813-360-6835 (h) > Ken Macha (Pittsburgh): 724-325-3371 > Jeff Kent's agent, Jeff Klein, (Weil Gotshall Manges) 212-310-8000 > David Bell (Seattle): 206-669-4194 > Reggie Sanders: 602-740-4600 (agent Eric Goldschmidt sp???) > Mark Ellis: 605-484-7526 (Phoenix) > Scott Hatteburg: 253-857-8776 (h), 617-877-6706 , schoop10(a)aol.com > Tim Hudson: 813-645-7162, thuddy15(a)aol.com > Lou Piniella: 813-265-2023 (home in Tampa, Fla.) > Brian Sabean, general manager: 415-793-3214 , 972-1910 (o) > Ned Colletti, assistant general manager: 415 793 3213 , > ncolletti(a)sfgiants.com > Giants owner Peter Magowan's assistant: 972-1952 > Russ Ortiz: 480-221-5806 (h in ariz), 480-539-7929 , > play4him48(a)aol.com > Rich Aurilia: 602-840-4878 (h), 602-421-0850 , dilli(a)aol.com > Bud Black cell: 619-548-0306 > Johnnie Baker (Dusty's dad in Sacramento): 916-978-9644 > Billy Beane: 925-855-1665 (h), 510-917-3456 > Barry Zito: 323-481-0084 , leftyripper(a)aol.com > Mike Venafro: 941-267-7044 (h), 214-684-4853 , mrven1(a)aol.com > Kathy Jacobson, Zito's publicist, 925-736-5333 > Jim Zeches, 49ers West Coast regional scout, 408-562-4949 (office), > 480-226-2146 (cell), jzeches(a)niners.nfl.com

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