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by Riad S. Wahby 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

test message --- please ignore -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)jfet.org MIT VI-2 M.Eng

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by John Docwra 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

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plausible deniability, watermarking / stego busts
by Major Variola (ret.) 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

FBI makes arrest in movie 'screener' case Chicago man to be charged with copyright infringementThe Associated Press Updated: 9:02 a.m. ET Jan. 23, 2004LOS ANGELES - A man who allegedly used the Internet to distribute Oscar screener movies sent to him by a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has been arrested in Illinois, authorities said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4037016/ Agents said the films have been traced back to a longtime Academy member, 69-year-old actor Carmine Caridi, who was described as a friend of Spragues. In addition to the movies, agents said they found an array of duplicating and illegal satellite television interception equipment in Spragues home about 20 miles south of downtown Chicago. Caridi told investigators he sent VHS copies of about 60 movies he received each year to Sprague. He allegedly told investigators he received no money for the films, and believed Sprague was merely a film buff who wished to watch them.

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Re: 1st amend, compelled speech in US
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

At 08:29 PM 1/22/04 +0000, petard wrote: >On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:47:07AM -0800, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: >> ...public health officials are considering legal action to force AOL and >> certain websites to warn members about... >> >> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,62005,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 >> >> Compelled speech is prohibited, suggesting it is treason, no matter the >> reason. >> >So is it prohibited that drug companies are compelled to disclose known >side effects of their medications in order to sell them, and treason on >the part of FDA employees who enforce that? [ The Ministry of Mental Health would like to caution you that the accompanying text may contain unsoc ideas that may lead to discontent and other psychomedical conditions requiring treatment from licensed MiniHealth technicians. Have a nice day.] Excellent question. It is conceivable that a state can legitimately define some terms of commerce so as to prevent *fraud*. (Congress may do so for interstate trade.) Eg, plant and chemical names, weights and measures, etc. If some physical object has proved side nonobvious effects, its conceivable that the state can compel that speech. Note that these are physical objects, not bits, and its to prevent fraud in commerce that enables state action. [ The Ministry of Mental Health would like to caution you that the accompanying text may contain unsoc ideas that may lead to discontent and other psychomedical conditions requiring treatment from licensed MiniHealth technicians. Have a nice day.] When the state wants to insert speech into other's *conversations*, someone needs to read the BoR. [ The Ministry of Mental Health would like to caution you that the accompanying text may contain unsoc ideas that may lead to discontent and other psychomedical conditions requiring treatment from licensed MiniHealth technicians. Have a nice day.] And note: In a free nation, folks would be able to decide who endorses products, including foods and drugs. If the kosher council required some kind of warning ("Do not smoke this product with diary products") then you would have to follow their rules if you wanted to use their logo. Any federal rating or private Consumer Reports organization would simply be a competitor in the field of reputations. [ The Ministry of Mental Health would like to caution you that the accompanying text may contain unsoc ideas that may lead to discontent and other psychomedical conditions requiring treatment from licensed MiniHealth technicians. Have a nice day.]

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Announcing a new cypherpunks node: al-qaeda.net
by Riad S. Wahby 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

Hello, I recently posted saying I'd be starting a new cypherpunks node; it's now (close to) fully operational. Since LNE's policies were very popular and yielded an extremely high SNR, I've decided to replicate them more or less exactly. Thus: - everything is passed on to other nodes - posting is only allowed from addresses subscribed to one of the CDRs, or from almost all of the well-known anonymous remailers. PGP messages, messages with Hashcash, and things that look like replies to current threads are also allowed. I've also gone back through the LNE archives and pulled out addresses of "known good" users from 2002-2003. - you can email me to request that I manually add an address to the allowed posters list - "CDR" is removed from the subject line - "reply-to" header is removed - MIME attachments are removed To subscribe, send "subscribe" to cypherpunks-request(a)al-qaeda.net. The list entry point is cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net. Current list operators, please add cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net to your backbone feed. In addition, if you could set up a cron job to send your user list to me, that would be great; please send the output of the Majordomo "who" command to cpunk-users(a)al-qaeda.net (or, alternatively, if you allow public access to the who command, let me know and I'll set it up on my end). Finally, please email me if you'd like me to send my user list to you. I think this takes care of everything, but if I've left anything out please let me know. -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)jfet.org MIT VI-2 M.Eng

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by Riad S. Wahby 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

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by Riad S. Wahby 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

test 2 -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)jfet.org MIT VI-2 M.Eng

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LNE CDR shutting down now
by Eric Murray 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

The LNE node of the cypherpunks list will be shut down after this message. If you want to stay on cypherpunks you'll need to subscribe to another node. http://www.lne.com/cpunk/ has a list of CDRs. Eric

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RE: Quartering soldiers
by John Washburn 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

I was incorrect. No case has come before the US supreme court on Quartering. The case I was remembering was New Mexican case where the quartering issues were never addressed as part of the dismissal. So, the point was raised but the state court decline to consider the argument. The only federal case is district 2's Engblom v Carey. That case hinged on whether Engblom (as a resident of a dorm-like room within the prison) had sufficient control of the premise to be an "Owner". The ruling was maybe Engblom was an Owner maybe he was not. The case was remanded back to the district court so a trial court could decide the material fact of whether Engblom was or was not an Owner. The only state where quartering any agent of the state is expressly forbidden is Louisiana. The state constitution states: "No person shall be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner or lawful occupant." This would include all agents of the state (federal, state or local) as well as any other person quartered by government fiat. (such as any FEMA refuges quartered at the local private school gymnasium) It applies to fee simple owners and tenants. It covers both peace time and war. The only restriction would be the question: "Is a place of business a "House" for the purposes of the law?" Fourth amendment cases (secure in papers, person and house) would seem to provide the framework that a "House" is more than a residence for constitutional interpretation. So I think this means that a person desiring to provide a carnivore-free ISP should locate the server in Louisiana in a literal house you own or rent. But, even then you get to be the guy/gal who gets to litigate the first case. See the compressive article on quartering at: <http://www.tomwbell.com/writings/3rd.html> http://www.tomwbell.com/writings/3rd.html -----Original Message----- From: bgt [mailto:bgt@chrootlabs.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:45 PM To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com Subject: Quartering soldiers On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 12:48, Tim May wrote: > On Jan 13, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Schear wrote: > > > At 11:23 PM 1/12/2004, Tim May wrote: > >> "But if I own a computer and I rent out accounts to others and the FBI > >> comes to me and says "We are putting a Carnivore computer in your > >> place," how else can this be interpreted _except_ as a violation of > >> the Third?" > >> > The pure form of the Third (in this abstract sense) is when government > knocks on one's door and says "Here is something you must put inside > your house." For this to make sense, we have to interpret Soldier to mean not just agents of the armed forces (military), it has to mean law-enforcement as well. I can accept the idea of abstracting the Third beyond humans to software/hardware agents, etc... but I'm not so sure about the military vs. law enforcement distinction. Can anyone point me to some founder's writings that may help support the interpretation of Soldier to mean any agent of the government? Even if we did extend the Third to mean law-enforcement... since Congress has repeatedly ceded their authority to determine when the country was "in a time of war" to the Executive, and as such we are now in a perpetual time of war, any quartering has to be prescribed by law, rather than prohibited outright. For these reasons, I have to agree with Tim's earlier referenced post, to the effect of "the only solutions now available are Technology and Terrorism." > By the way, there have been a bunch of cases where residents of a > neighborhood were ordered to leave so that SWAT teams could be in their > houses to monitor a nearby house where a hostage situation had > developed. (It is possible that in each house they occupied they > received uncoerced permission to occupy the houses, but I don't think > this was always the case; however, I can't cite a concrete case of > this. Maybe Lexis has one.) > > If this takeover of houses to launch a raid is not a "black letter law" > case of the government quartering troops in residences, nothing is. > Exigent circumstance, perhaps, but so was King George's need to quarter > his troops. I think someone in this case would have a much better argument for a Fourth amendment violation (unreasonable seizure of their home, albeit temporarily), though probably, today, still unsuccessful in a court. --bgt

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RE: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey
by Tyler Durden 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Well I be darned if Mr May hasn't inspired a major burst of eloquence, between this response and Mr Young's. As for this comment: "Schools don't educate, but merely serve as a filter for employers to locate those individuals who aren't going to make trouble at the factory." At best. In the inner cities the function of schools is strongly hinted at by the following well-used phrase: "Stay In School!" In other words, schools keep the crime rates down, as is a well-known statistic. They are basically storage facilities. For real schools we white folks with $$$ can move out to the suburbs or send our kids to private school. As for, >Nonetheless, I think we do such people a disservice when we attribute >their dislike of the education business to some sort of culturally >ingrained sloth, and characterize them as looking to live on handouts of >other peoples tax money. I basically agree with this, though no doubt there are "Leaders" that play on this (and the latent laziness of all teeneagers) to a tune similar to what May is saying. But in most cases, even "good" schools are a joke, and black folks at least realize this. Did anyone notice that there's only 1 or 2 states in the nation that still require Regents endorsements? I'll tell you a story. Back in the late 1980s I taught at a notorious HS in Bedford Stuyvesant. 90% of my students were black. I regarded few of them as stupid, but almost none of them saw the point of studying math...they just didn't see how it could benefit them, and they said this to me on a regular basis. In one class I had some relatively young and non-troublemaking students. I told them from the beginning that I would not slip the standards so they could pass...they HAD to do homework in order to pass, as that would be the only way they could practice enough for the tests. For the first couple of tests all of the non-immigrant black kids failed. But I hammered them and told them it was going to continue like this unless they did the homework and studied. I made it absolutely clear what I expected from them. By the end of the semester most of the kids were doing their homework, and passing the quizzes and tests, which I did not make easier in any way. I remember Willie Horne coming in before a test and "complaining" "Mr Durden, I STUDIED last night!". I reached out to feel his forehead and said "Willie? Are you feelin' alright?" Of course, he pulled back and stifled a smile, but he got a 90. -TD >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:14:10 -0800 (PST) > >Tim May observes: > > > Meanwhile, the "black folk" kept listening to Rev. Jess Jackson and > > Rev. Al Sharpton tell them that they were owed reparations, that they > > were owed a series of "entitlements." No suprise that a large fraction > > of negro teens subscribe to the view that "reading be for whitey." In > > fact, negroes have invented a whole series of insult terms for those > > who study too much, for those who break out of the "field worker" > > status: Uncle Toms, Oreos, etc. > > > Imagine where the Asians would be if Asian kids who did well in science > > and math were taunted as race traitors? > > > "Math be for whitey. Reading be for whitey. We be owed repa-ations for > > diskiminashun!!" > >In the real world, a society can not consist 100% of chip designers. It >also requires cooks, toilet and floor scrubbers, and people who lug >concrete in wheelbarrows up stairs. > >This is no problem in a society with an explicit class system. You just >assign jobs to people based on their social class, with the untouchables >getting the shit-hauling and scrubbing jobs, and the more attractive jobs >going to their betters. Some countries, like the US and Japan, have as a >part of their political doctrine that everyone has the opportunity to be >wealthy and successful, so they can't openly have a class system. Of >course, they still need one to determine who gets the shit-hauling jobs, >and the usual method of doing this is to hide the class system in the >education system. Now you don't get the shit-hauling job because you are >an untouchable. You get it because you "didn't do well" in school, or >you "dropped out, and "you could have been successful if you had just >tried harder." > >Of course, it's a zero sum game. The bottom X% will always be >shit-haulers, and the school is just making the proles fight with each >other over who those shit-haulers will be. The fact is that the society >can't make everyone successful, and the success of the few is at the >expense of the failure of the many, determined by the uncompensated rat >race and endless toil on the wheel of public education. > >The US is an excellent example of this. The AFT and NEA together are the >biggest labor organization in the country. THe school system functions >not to educate, but as a tool of inculcation in collectivist thinking, and >a awarder of certificates which give one the right to work. > >Schools don't educate, but merely serve as a filter for employers to >locate those individuals who aren't going to make trouble at the factory. > >A well known experiment is to take some 10th graders, and divide them >randomly into two groups. Send one to college, and make the others finish >the remaining two years of high school. THere will be no statistically >significant difference in their college performance, thus demonstrating >that public schools do not teach, but merely act as filters through which >only the most talented and sociable can pass. > >Now, minorities in this country, including almost all Asians, and quite a >few blacks, have gotten with this program that "education is the way out >of poverty," and have successfully turned the vicious education-based >class system to their advantage, by trying to beat the dominant class at >their own game, with varying degrees of success. This has required them >to refrain from criticizing the system itself, because no one wins a >beauty contest by having a bad attitude. > >I think that mentality is changing, and when you hear comments like >"Reading be for whitey," what is being said is not that literacy and >calculus and physics and chemistry are bad, in and of themselves, but that >a system which rewards only "getting ahead by playing along" is not a >arena in which these people choose to compete. > >Learning by doing is always vastly superior to learning by listening to >someone else talk about doing. > >Now in a world where most jobs are not skilled people individually >producing something in demand, but are the very lowest form of >commoditized labor, the opportunity to screw such dissenters probably >exceeds their ability to avoid being sent made to the back of the line. > >Nonetheless, I think we do such people a disservice when we attribute >their dislike of the education business to some sort of culturally >ingrained sloth, and characterize them as looking to live on handouts of >other peoples tax money. > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize

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