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oh, sh__
by Somebody 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

Bob, Please be careful about the forwarding of this epistle in it's entirety. The contents might be considered inflamatory. [moi? *I*'m not saying anything here, *you* are... :-) --RAH] But I recommend your synthesizing an opinion about it, and communicating to the usual suspects. See my "bottom line", at the end Well, 1st Data Corp has made their move, and it's a doozy: eONE Global, a new e-payments company capitalized with $600 million ($360 in assets transferred from First Data, $135 in equity investment from iFormation -- a GoldmanSachs, BCG, Genl Atlantic Partners creature -- and a commitment from the parties to kick in another $100 in cash). The headquarters are in Napa (Rutherford). Remember Rutherford Partners? With principals Robert W. Greer, Scott J. Loftesness, Garen K. Staglin? eOne Global has a Garen Staglin, President and CEO, located in Rutherford, CA. eONE Global has a Menlo Park office with a Managing Director by the name of Loftesness. Greer is also involved. Brochure at: http://www.eoneglobal.com Includes a slightly amusing and very gushy whitepaper http://www.eoneglobal.com/whtpaper.html (by Garen) News at: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-3141623.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni Oh, yes...and by the way: "eONE Global welcomes inquiries from emerging payment technology companies with a business plan they are prepared to execute against. We require that a prospective strategic partner have proprietary rights to the technology it is presenting." See: http://www.eoneglobal.com/started.html I guess this means Scott has money now. Among the assets they own, or have and equity interest in are SurePay, CashTax, Yclip, MeetChina.com, Reciprocal, PassLogix, Achex, RRE Ventures (?1?) and others. In reality it's mostly the 1stData/EnTrust payment initiative SurePay. Bottom Line: This is a significant event, well capitalized, and an "instant company" because of the the transfer of some FirstData assets. However, their major challenges will be (a) they are already an operational company with a bunch of realworld operating challenges for the management team (who seem more venture, finance oriented), and (b) they don't yet have any breakthrough exciting technologies or products and need to acquire same. I actually wouldn't be too surprised to see them buy back eCashTechnologies, or do a JV with something like Spectrum or Wells/eBay. I'm afraid, though, that (in spite of their brave words about the need for innovation and new models) this venture is going to be inevitably tied to the current banking structure with which FirstData is so deeply in bed. I suspect that Rutherford Partners put up a bunch of half- baked intellectual property (as well as their bodies and a great spiel) to take over management of 1stData's total e-payment strategy. Quite a coup. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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oh, sh__
by Somebody 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

Bob, Please be careful about the forwarding of this epistle in it's entirety. The contents might be considered inflamatory. [moi? *I*'m not saying anything here, *you* are... :-) --RAH] But I recommend your synthesizing an opinion about it, and communicating to the usual suspects. See my "bottom line", at the end Well, 1st Data Corp has made their move, and it's a doozy: eONE Global, a new e-payments company capitalized with $600 million ($360 in assets transferred from First Data, $135 in equity investment from iFormation -- a GoldmanSachs, BCG, Genl Atlantic Partners creature -- and a commitment from the parties to kick in another $100 in cash). The headquarters are in Napa (Rutherford). Remember Rutherford Partners? With principals Robert W. Greer, Scott J. Loftesness, Garen K. Staglin? eOne Global has a Garen Staglin, President and CEO, located in Rutherford, CA. eONE Global has a Menlo Park office with a Managing Director by the name of Loftesness. Greer is also involved. Brochure at: http://www.eoneglobal.com Includes a slightly amusing and very gushy whitepaper http://www.eoneglobal.com/whtpaper.html (by Garen) News at: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-3141623.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni Oh, yes...and by the way: "eONE Global welcomes inquiries from emerging payment technology companies with a business plan they are prepared to execute against. We require that a prospective strategic partner have proprietary rights to the technology it is presenting." See: http://www.eoneglobal.com/started.html I guess this means Scott has money now. Among the assets they own, or have and equity interest in are SurePay, CashTax, Yclip, MeetChina.com, Reciprocal, PassLogix, Achex, RRE Ventures (?1?) and others. In reality it's mostly the 1stData/EnTrust payment initiative SurePay. Bottom Line: This is a significant event, well capitalized, and an "instant company" because of the the transfer of some FirstData assets. However, their major challenges will be (a) they are already an operational company with a bunch of realworld operating challenges for the management team (who seem more venture, finance oriented), and (b) they don't yet have any breakthrough exciting technologies or products and need to acquire same. I actually wouldn't be too surprised to see them buy back eCashTechnologies, or do a JV with something like Spectrum or Wells/eBay. I'm afraid, though, that (in spite of their brave words about the need for innovation and new models) this venture is going to be inevitably tied to the current banking structure with which FirstData is so deeply in bed. I suspect that Rutherford Partners put up a bunch of half- baked intellectual property (as well as their bodies and a great spiel) to take over management of 1stData's total e-payment strategy. Quite a coup. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
by Declan McCullagh 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/09/1933206&mode=nested Nader Sends Privacy Quiz to Bush and Gore posted by cicero on Monday October 09, @02:22PM from the never-liked-those-safeway-discount-cards-anyway dept. Vergil Bushnell of Ralph Nader's presidential campaign just sent us news about a privacy survey. Turns out the Green Party hopeful wants to nail down where rivals George W. Bush and Al Gore stand on things like supermarket videocameras and marketing by Internet service providers. Unfortunately, Ralph doesn't include any questions exclusively on the topic of government surveillance, such as wiretapping, Echelon, or Carnivore -- which are precisely the areas the next Oval Office occupant can do the most to reform. Nader is, typically, focused only on corporate wrongdoing. His privacy survey is attached below. The survey: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/09/1933206&mode=nested

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CDR: pigs use Inet for domestic intelligence at Phish
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

Friday September 22 06:47 PM EDT Undercover Police Go Online To Bust Phish Fans By Contributing Editor Richard B. Simon reports After using the Internet to investigate the reputation and the lingo of Phish fans, undercover law-enforcement agents arrested as many as 90 concertgoers on substance-related charges at the jam bands show Monday in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Sgt. Larry Wagner of the Cuyahoga Falls Police Departments narcotics division said officers made arrests for 12 felonies and 10 misdemeanors outside the Blossom Music Center. Charges ranged from underage possession of alcohol to felony possession and trafficking in LSD, psychedelic mushrooms and Ecstasy. In the days before the Vermont band arrived in town, Capt. Barry Milich of the Sheriffs Department compared notes with police from other towns Phish had visited, while Wagner went online to research the Phish subculture for tips on how his undercover officers could fit in and understand the lingo. "Our guys will go up and say, Hey, you got any Molly (Ecstasy) or anything like that? " Wagner said. "They dont just sell grilled-cheese sandwiches out there." Wagner estimated that 70 to 80 officers from three agencies the Cuyahoga Falls Police Department, the Summit County Sheriffs Department and the Ohio Department of Public Safety were at the show, mostly in plainclothes, policing about 20,000 concertgoers. But the Phish fans picked up on the police presence quickly and would surround officers making arrests. "We knew when we were being made," Wagner said. "After the first arrest, they stated six up, meaning ... theyre here and theyre making an arrest, and for the mounted unit, it was six up, giddy up. So we were able to figure that out early on. ... Maybe I should have checked the Internet a little bit better before they came. Im back from the old school. I was waiting to hear pig and stuff like that, but I didnt hear any of that." Wagner admitted that some of the undercover officers blended in better than others. "I think Phish fans can tell the difference between Kmart tie-dyes and the ones they get at the concert." Most of the arrests were made before and during the show, Wagner said, while thousands of ticketless fans remained in the parking lot. Agent Rita Raimer of the Ohio Department of Public Safety said the department made 18 arrests in connection with underage possession of alcohol. Ohio penalties for drug possession range from likely probation for first-time offenders to possible jail time for those who have extensive criminal records or were caught selling large amounts. Wagner said all the felony arrests his department made were for "low-grade" offenses, for which the state has no mandatory minimum jail time. A Phish spokesperson declined to comment on the arrests. Many Phish fans follow the band from venue to venue, in the tradition of the Grateful Dead, so the band plays a different setlist each night, playing a mix of earlier tunes such as "Prince Caspian" ( RealAudio excerpt) and newer material such as "The Inlaw Josie Wales" ( RealAudio excerpt), from this years Farmhouse. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/so/20000922/en/undercover_police_go_online_to_…

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CDR: Re: stego for the censored
by Michael Motyka 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

> Bill Stewart wrote: > > > > At 04:30 PM 10/6/00 -0700, Tim May wrote: > > >In places where crypto is illegal, this approach would also likely be > > illegal. > > ... > > >BTW, the issue is a lot more than just "plausible deniability." This > > >may work in the U.S., until the Constitution is further shredded. But > > >"plausibility deniability" is not enough when dealing with the > > >Staasi, or SAVAK, or Shin Bet, or the Ayotollahs. Mere suspicion is > > >enough. > > > > The point is that each message doesn't have decryptable cyphertext. > > It only has a secret-share that no recipient can decode > > until they have enough shares of the same message, > > even if the KGB rubber-hoses them, and the KGB cryptanalysts > > won't be able to find anything more than random noise in the message > > because with <K shares, that's all you can get. > > Now random noise may also be suspicious, but it's less suspicious > > than something that's got more structure to it. > > Even if they do suspect the recipient and seize his computer, > > they'll only get old messages, not the new partially-received ones. > > Not good enough, I'm afraid. As Tim said, if the authorities in an > authoritarian regime _suspect_ secrets are being passed they have > "probable cause" to break out the jumper cables. Unless the holder of an > incomplete secret is willing to spill his guts literally rather than > figuratively, his group doesn't benefit from a secret which can be > detected but not read. > > -- > Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel > These regimes are likely to suspect conspiracies whether or not they are actually occurring. Look at our McCarthy era. Assume the jumper cables will be applied whether there are secret messages or not. If you want to actually communicate then you have to risk SOMETHING. Scatter-gather is just a mechanism to handle arbitrary sizes of messages and add some potential cover traffic. It is no less safe than any single exchange of stego data. Possibly it is more safe since the data density in the carriers can be made very low and an observer cannot easily isolate a complete carrier set from the cover traffic. Mike

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CDR: Do you need help with your credit cards
by bobby36＠august-savings.com 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Guys, I need help
by Vincent Williams 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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EDT] proxy.brunet.bn port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 08:31:38 EDT] 195.211.211.37 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:27:13 EDT by inTERbairros] svcmp12.holoson.co.jp port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 05:21:11 EDT by inTERbairros] bertie.shiga-med.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:17:05 EDT by inTERbairros] dns.sunquest.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:15:53 EDT by inTERbairros] bluerobin.mke.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:51 EDT by inTERbairros] bata.cc.titech.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:32 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.161.234.195 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:14:19 EDT by inTERbairros] pi.adelphia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:11:54 EDT by inTERbairros] kiku.asahi-u.ac.jp port 10080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:10:35 EDT by inTERbairros] 196.3.167.135 port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 05:10:15 EDT by inTERbairros] zeus.doruk.net.tr port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:09:30 EDT by inTERbairros] krunk1.xmission.com port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 04:57:17 EDT by inTERbairros] ns0.apecs.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:06:11 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.rcedu.kyushu-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:05:59 EDT by inTERbairros] gate-omega.pbc.adelphia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 05:02:41 EDT by inTERbairros] speth08.wu-wien.ac.at port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:59:21 EDT by inTERbairros] sfk-nga.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:59:09 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.relaim.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:58:57 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.145.163.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:57:00 EDT by inTERbairros] mail.condor.de port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 04:55:11 EDT by inTERbairros] infosun-fd.rus.uni-stuttgart.de port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:54:55 EDT by inTERbairros] front3.cpl.org port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:49:54 EDT by inTERbairros] ns.kss.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:41:09 EDT by inTERbairros] 194.133.122.44 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:40:01 EDT by inTERbairros] svc.nues.k12.ut.us port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 04:39:06 EDT by inTERbairros] elpxy01.ce.mediaone.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:38:19 EDT by inTERbairros] elpxy02.ce.mediaone.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:37:51 EDT by inTERbairros] bcom.jtnet.ad.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:33:46 EDT by inTERbairros] ns0.syscre.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:32:12 EDT by inTERbairros] qt-ce.singnet.com.sg port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 04:25:23 EDT by inTERbairros] bryant2-ha.bryant.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:22:02 EDT by inTERbairros] misawa01.misawa.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:16:03 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.ebisu.ad.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:12:49 EDT by inTERbairros] firewall.unicom-am.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:09:38 EDT by inTERbairros] cache.ican.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:09:06 EDT by inTERbairros] mercury.lngs.infn.it port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:08:23 EDT by inTERbairros] 210.160.40.6 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 04:06:01 EDT by inTERbairros] 203.244.128.55 port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 04:00:38 EDT by inTERbairros] ns1.mitsubishi-seibi.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:59:43 EDT by inTERbairros] solaris.dvz.fh-aachen.de port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:49:29 EDT by inTERbairros] ns1.bryant.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:47:59 EDT by inTERbairros] ars2.arsnet.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:45:54 EDT by inTERbairros] hickory.fernuni-hagen.de port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:44:12 EDT by inTERbairros] teleserver2.pipemedia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:40:18 EDT by inTERbairros] sunsite.icm.edu.pl port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:39:22 EDT by inTERbairros] robin2.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:37:35 EDT by inTERbairros] risk0a.ris.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:37:23 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy-fuessen.online-service.de port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:36:23 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.lcnet.it port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:35:34 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.idn.co.th port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:35:05 EDT by inTERbairros] mail1.epdc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 03:31:00 EDT by inTERbairros] ndpxy01.ne.mediaone.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:33:04 EDT by inTERbairros] meteora.amadagp.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:31:45 EDT by inTERbairros] kinka.gifu-kyoiku.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:29:55 EDT by inTERbairros] hitp-gw.hitp.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:25:14 EDT by inTERbairros] hal.calc.k12.la.us port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:24:19 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.ci.slc.ut.us port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:24:03 EDT by inTERbairros] fw.yoshida-g.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:23:05 EDT by inTERbairros] dns.jicnet.or.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:22:34 EDT by inTERbairros] kinka.ha.shotoku.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:19:57 EDT by inTERbairros] ose.numazu-ct.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:16:00 EDT by inTERbairros] gemini.chall.ne.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:15:46 EDT by inTERbairros] nexus-1.flash.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:15:24 EDT by inTERbairros] squid.mutugoro.or.jp port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:42 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.cslouis-hemon.qc.ca port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:29 EDT by inTERbairros] msv.jmsis.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:08:13 EDT by inTERbairros] lilac1.hmjc.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:05:48 EDT by inTERbairros] 157.193.40.5 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:02:32 EDT by inTERbairros] gossamer.ksu.ksu.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 03:00:40 EDT by inTERbairros] abchost.abc.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:57:02 EDT by inTERbairros] linux.kcg.gov.tw port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:55:14 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.pipemedia.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:53:43 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.nissuicon.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:49:02 EDT by inTERbairros] dufay.nichigai.co.jp port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:48:32 EDT by inTERbairros] webcache.dial.pipex.com port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:44:26 EDT by inTERbairros] tokyo01.nemic.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:42:16 EDT by inTERbairros] tinfo1.space.ad.jp port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:41:35 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.taegu.ac.kr port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:37:27 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.psc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:36:45 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.mcmail.com port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:35:25 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.iprolink.ch port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:34:07 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.internord.dk port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:33:54 EDT by inTERbairros] panoramix.accessnet.es port 8000 [latency: 09/29/00 02:32:42 EDT by inTERbairros] nebura2.tech.nebuta.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:28:39 EDT by inTERbairros] charlotte.it.wsu.edu port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:24:20 EDT by inTERbairros] dcs.dexter.k12.mi.us port 3128 [latency: 09/29/00 02:22:17 EDT by inTERbairros] gatekeeper.shimane-med.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:17:55 EDT by inTERbairros] bme.ahs.kitasato-u.ac.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:16:55 EDT by inTERbairros] alpha.barentsnett.no port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:15:49 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.canaan.co.il port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 02:14:06 EDT by inTERbairros] 165.21.83.136 port 8001 [latency: 09/29/00 02:12:50 EDT by inTERbairros] localmachine.mob.ntc.co.jp port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:06:10 EDT by inTERbairros] 24-216-136-15.hsacorp.net port 8081 [latency: 09/29/00 02:01:25 EDT by inTERbairros] proxy.imp.ch port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:50:41 EDT by inTERbairros] inktomi.efortress.com port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:49:09 EDT by o666z] dfw2-wc1.atlas.digex.net port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:46:36 EDT by inTERbairros] willia10.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:44:02 EDT by inTERbairros] 195.211.211.37 port 8080 [latency: 09/29/00 01:40:05 EDT by inTERbairros] andromaca.polito.it port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 14:20:00 EDT by kiru] proxy.codec.ro port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 13:30:19 EDT] cache-utr2.casema.net port 3128 [latency: 09/28/00 13:22:59 EDT] proxy.netangola.com port 8080 [latency: 09/28/00 13:22:00 EDT] proxy.nownuri.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 23:06:48 EDT by Biarticulado] 195.24.110.15 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 22:22:13 EDT by Charles] proxy3-fxp0.netspace.net.au port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:05:00 EDT by inTERbairros] isu-cache1.isu.edu port 3128 [latency: 09/27/00 20:03:34 EDT by inTERbairros] bess-proxy.integrityonline15.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:02:22 EDT by inTERbairros] bess-proxy.inficad.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 20:01:27 EDT by inTERbairros] jatoronto.org port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 19:59:47 EDT by inTERbairros] 203.23.72.6 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 14:11:43 EDT by legsee] 165.117.55.216 port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 14:08:08 EDT by legsee] proxy.telepac.pt port 8081 [latency: 09/27/00 08:54:42 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy.rinet.ru port 3128 [latency: 09/27/00 08:50:53 EDT by DJKA0S] ipshome.mightycard.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 06:24:27 EDT] spider.claritas.com port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:59:33 EDT by gOdFeLLa] inh1ts09-qfe0.ims.bt.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:57:16 EDT by gOdFeLLa] inetserv.fh-wuerzburg.de port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:51:26 EDT by gOdFeLLa] solomon.stic.net port 8080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:49:31 EDT by gOdFeLLa] 210.154.59.162 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 05:44:08 EDT by gOdFeLLa] 210.146.35.196 port 10080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:47:37 EDT] 209.187.13.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:05:12 EDT by hatOFF] 24.200.145.150 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:04:02 EDT by hatOFF] 216.36.24.225 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:03:42 EDT by hatOFF] 213.46.1.77 port 1080 [latency: 09/27/00 02:03:22 EDT by hatOFF] proxy.hpisd.org port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 23:55:06 EDT] 194.65.79.31 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:26:34 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.71.10 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:25:24 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.66.66 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:24:45 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.66.3 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:24:13 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.62.74 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:22:50 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.52.252 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:22:24 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.52.31 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:21:49 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.45.17 port 1080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:18:31 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.38.131 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:17:07 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.15.41 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 21:04:16 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.69 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 21:02:55 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.68 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 21:02:23 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.14.67 port 8081 [latency: 09/26/00 20:42:42 EDT by DJKA0S] 194.65.3.170 port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 20:34:39 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy.netangola.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 20:19:11 EDT by DJKA0S] proxy2.telecom.com.co port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 18:27:09 EDT by DaRKneSS] proxy.spaceproxy.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 16:53:27 EDT] hail.pipex.net port 3128 [latency: 09/26/00 16:46:23 EDT] proxy.kn.bia-bg.com port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 15:46:33 EDT] cf1.lnoca.org port 8080 [latency: 09/26/00 15:46:00 EDT] proxy.cityline.ru port 3128 [latency: 09/26/00 08:03:36 EDT by hieu] 64.19.3.2 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 23:04:34 EDT by NNastty] willia10.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:39:39 EDT by NNastty] dns.hokuto.ed.jp port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:36:54 EDT by NNastty] xmaspt.lnk.telstra.net port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:34:55 EDT by NNastty] 195.94.0.36 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:33:29 EDT by NNastty] 210.229.194.18 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 22:30:43 EDT by NNastty] 194.245.99.30 port 3128 [latency: 09/25/00 13:33:09 EDT by CraigTM] 24.200.24.151 port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 09:32:25 EDT by NNastty] droopy.allnet.fr port 1080 [latency: 09/25/00 09:26:05 EDT by NNastty] rochcache1.roch.uswest.net port 8080 [latency: 09/25/00 08:10:55 EDT by gOdFeLLa] squid.acib.com.br port 3128 [latency: 09/25/00 01:58:36 EDT] 207.211.58.248 port 8080 [latency: 09/24/00 18:51:50 EDT by cyberboy] cache-utr2.casema.net port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 16:21:12 EDT by alfred] pr1-ts.telepac.pt port 8081 [latency: 09/24/00 16:19:20 EDT by morgan] proxy.iloilo.fapenet.org port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 16:16:37 EDT by morgan] 202.149.251.5 port 8080 [latency: 09/24/00 13:23:53 EDT by BudiLewiyanto] proxy.free.fr port 3128 [latency: 09/24/00 05:46:12 EDT] mail.mastec-ei-ga.com port 1080 [latency: 09/24/00 04:47:43 EDT by hacker] manwebproxy.nola.navy.mil port 1080 [latency: 09/23/00 22:41:08 EDT by Rewter] enterprise.hale.wa.edu.au port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 17:20:53 EDT by Boggie] proxy.spaceproxy.com port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 13:58:34 EDT] proxy.yzu.edu.tw port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 12:05:03 EDT] proxy.nefonline.de port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 09:10:01 EDT by basketci_] 195.24.55.245 port 1080 [latency: 09/23/00 05:59:49 EDT by MARIAN17] 216.234.161.83 port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 05:58:58 EDT by MARIAN17] channels.undernet.org port 8080 [latency: 09/23/00 03:53:03 EDT by aerOwave] 216.77.56.106 port 1080 [latency: 09/22/00 18:16:28 EDT by voo] eu.xnet.org port 8080 [latency: 09/22/00 14:30:37 EDT] 206.131.118.240 port 8080 [latency: 09/22/00 13:42:29 EDT] server.ucatolica.edu.co port 3128 [latency: 09/22/00 06:08:57 EDT] proxy.sat.net.pk port 8080 [latency: 09/21/00 03:57:41 EDT] proxy.netwave.or.jp port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 19:22:30 EDT] proxy.qatar.net.qa port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 18:56:49 EDT] solomon.stic.net port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 18:49:57 EDT] proxy.x-treme.gr port 3128 [latency: 09/20/00 14:52:05 EDT by PearlJam] proxy.netsys.it port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 10:59:45 EDT by pevio] 194.20.0.13 port 8080 [latency: 09/20/00 01:37:35 EDT] 202.54.31.1 port 8081 [latency: 09/19/00 22:02:31 EDT] pax02f.mipool.uni-jena.de port 3128 [latency: 03/28/00 20:41:38 EST by FreddyG.] cache1.cc.interlog.com port 3128 [latency: 02/13/00 17:43:45 EST] master-proxy.europeonline.net port 8081 [latency: 02/13/00 17:29:21 EST by FreddyG.] mail.bsn.or.id port 1080 [latency: 02/13/00 12:35:50 EST by FreddyG.] proxy.nefonline.de port 8080 [latency: 02/13/00 01:41:09 EST] c111.h202052116.is.net.tw port 1080 [latency: 02/12/00 14:52:20 EST by FreddyG.] billymchales.com port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:58:12 EST by FreddyG.] overloaded.org port 8000 [latency: 02/12/00 13:46:58 EST by FreddyG.] irc.gammaforce.org port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:45:46 EST by FreddyG.] netstar.nwarks-hinckley.ac.uk port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 13:20:21 EST by FreddyG.] webcacheW10b.cache.pol.co.uk port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 12:26:08 EST by FreddyG.] cr277137-a.nmkt1.on.wave.home.com port 8080 [latency: 02/12/00 12:01:40 EST by FreddyG.] proxyserv.citra-abadi.co.id port 1080 [latency: 02/12/00 00:50:06 EST] atlas1.gateway.com port 8080 [latency: 02/11/00 15:52:10 EST by KoRn_Klown�] proxy.p-ol.com port 3128 [latency: 01/07/00 00:38:11 EST by GuMyBaRe] ftp.yvrls.lib.wa.us port 3128 [latency: 12/12/99 16:11:37 EST] apache.com port port 80 [latency: 12/10/99 16:53:39 EST] i.am.31337.nu port port 31337 [latency: 12/10/99 16:51:21 EST] 138.25.8.9 port 80 [latency: 12/10/99 16:48:36 EST by lubna] 203.23.72.6 port 8080 [latency: 12/10/99 16:46:54 EST by lubna] proxy.spnet.net port 3128 [latency: 12/10/99 09:17:42 EST by Sliver] ns.infnet.co.jp port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 23:39:59 EST by AiseJuK] 212.43.196.10 port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:44:25 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] proxy3.brunet.bn port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:36:40 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] 202.160.12.35 port 8080 [latency: 12/09/99 17:32:40 EST by THE STORMDRINKER] ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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by steve lan 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

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CDR: Internet bearer cryptography patent trusts (was Re: Chaumian cash redux)
by R. A. Hettinga 09 Oct '00

09 Oct '00

This idea below of a "patent pool" is similar to the bearer cryptography patent trust idea I was kicking around with a couple of investment bankers here in Boston a few years ago... It seems that these guys were sitting on a public shell, and were noticing that both Millicent and DigiCash were both up for sale at the time, and were trying, like every one does, :-), to figure how to make money with them. I suggested that, while the code for Millicent at least might be valuable, that the patents were the most valuable thing about *either* of those businesses. I talked to these gentlemen about the model I had for internet bearer underwriting and how it could pay royalties right off the top to certain global holders of patents like blind signatures, allowing their use even for open source software, and that it might be possible to create something like a publicly held trust to hold those kinds of patents. Just like if someone like when Warren Buffet buys a company, the patent holders would get a liquid publicly traded asset, and the trust would collect royalties as revenues of the corporation, and the stock would go up accordingly. :-). Don't know if it would work, though, and not just for purely financial reasons, either. It seems to me at the outset that unless Chaum has a way to completely kill the usefulness of the blind signature patent and replace it with something better -- and to withstand the inevitable charge from Ecash Technologies that he knew about it at the time of the DigiCash liquidation, which would be a pretty serious legal cat-fight whether the charge were true or not -- that Ecash Technologies has enough funding from Deutchebank and others to make it a long time before the original Chaumian patent portfolio will be on the market again, if ever. The patents expire, speaking of such things, in 2007, after all. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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CDR: Just Imagine...
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09 Oct '00

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