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CDR: O Natal Chegou à Giganetstore.com
by apoio＠giganetstore.com 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

> From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let > me think of a better term. How about fraud. > Promising voters special favors if he is elected. > But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no pun intended) is that you have a point ... > > Please note that it is not clear yet whether this > > particular corner case of the law is well-defined. > > The courts will decide that. The courts may very > > well be required to void this appointment for some > > important Constitutional reason. > > Who knows? > I would say, 'case law be damned'. A guy who doesn't > exist can't take office. If he doesn't take office, > he can't be replaced. I can sympathize with that viewpoint, but I assert that it is just one viewpoint among many legitimate ones. I do not believe this was actually written into the law, but if someone proves conclusively to the courts that the intent was already in the law, I have no problems with that. > You are assuming that the bulk > of the people who voted for Carnahan actually voted > for anyone who is a Democrat -- and that might well > be so. Um ... actually no. I assert that the bulk of the people voted for his wife, because they were assured that she would take the seat. If someone else was appointed instead of her, I would say that there was bait and switch, and no matter how popular that person might be (perhaps even more popular than she was in the election), this change would fraud for sure. > But I doubt the Federal Election Commision will think > much of a ballot where 'you vote Democratic -- we'll > fill in the blank' is a legitimate vote. I agree with your statement here except that I did not make that specific claim of the generic vote for Democrats. Ern

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CDR: One question about pgp-integration
by Eduardo Alencastro Maciel 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

I've read the pgp-integration man page, and tried to implement the sample codes using the system calls. The encryption example was ok, but the decryption sample code I wasn't able to make it work well. Whenever I ran the program I got a core file, when the program try to open the second stream to stdout or stdin. I don't know if you have a tip for me. thanks eduardo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: RE: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne
by Trei, Peter 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

> ---------- > From: > obfuscation@beta.freedom.net[SMTP:obfuscation@beta.freedom.net] > Reply To: obfuscation(a)beta.freedom.net > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:43 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne > > TCMay writes: > > On CNN I watched the election results coming in. They always listed > > four candidates: Bush, Gore, Nader, and Hagelin. The usual format was > > Bush/Gore on the "crawl" at the bottom of the screen and then a > > second page with the crawl having Nader/Hagelin. > > In fact, Browne did better than Buchanan in Florida, and for that > matter Phillips did better than Hagelin. I too noticed CNN's bizarre > focus on Hagelin over the much higher polling Browne and Phillips. > Perhaps Hagelin acquired an aura of respectability at their editorial > desk due to his fight with Buchanan for the Reform nomination. > > Buchanan beat Browne nationwide but Browne won in a number of states, > including Florida. However Browne's vote total ended up being lower > than in 1996. > > Ob > Watching in Massachusetts, I was actually rather impressed at the level which the major media were reporting the minor candidates. Unlike previous years, where it sometimes took days for me to find out how Libertarian candidates did, this year they were reported live along with the others. In Ma, Carla Howell got about 12% in her Senate run, just a little behind the Republican candidate (the rest went to Kennedy). In fact, Libertarian candidates where getting 10-15% of the vote quite consistantly in local races. Peter Trei

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CDR: Re: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne
by obfuscation＠beta.freedom.net 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

TCMay writes: > On CNN I watched the election results coming in. They always listed > four candidates: Bush, Gore, Nader, and Hagelin. The usual format was > Bush/Gore on the "crawl" at the bottom of the screen and then a > second page with the crawl having Nader/Hagelin. In fact, Browne did better than Buchanan in Florida, and for that matter Phillips did better than Hagelin. I too noticed CNN's bizarre focus on Hagelin over the much higher polling Browne and Phillips. Perhaps Hagelin acquired an aura of respectability at their editorial desk due to his fight with Buchanan for the Reform nomination. Buchanan beat Browne nationwide but Browne won in a number of states, including Florida. However Browne's vote total ended up being lower than in 1996. Ob

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Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa
by M Taylor 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa Privacy issue: Spy agency weighs secrecy against cyber attacks <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> National Post, October 16, 2000, Jim Bronskill BEGIN QUOTE Federal officials are wrestling with the privacy implications of intercepting e-mail messages during attempts to zero in on computer viruses. A newly declassified report by Canada's electronic spy agency indicates the issue is among the thorny legal questions that need to be clarified before going ahead with a planned national centre to protect vital information networks. The Communications Security Establishment report, obtained under the Access to Information Act, stresses the need for policy guidance to help the proposed information protection co-ordination centre investigate viruses and cyber attacks. "The interception of e-mail messages may be required when tracking down viruses since most viruses are distributed through the e-mail system," says the CSE report, prepared in April. "This may be seen as an invasion of privacy but in some cases it may be necessary in order to ensure network security." It notes that existing case law deals with similar scenarios but the results are "still subject to interpretation." ... END QUOTE rest of text: <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> It is not very clear what the CSE et all have in mind, perhaps a CALEA[1] like wiretapping party house or Carnivore [2]. -M Taylor [1] Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (U.S. Gov't) <http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/CALEA/> [2] http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/ --- end forwarded text -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa
by M Taylor 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa Privacy issue: Spy agency weighs secrecy against cyber attacks <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> National Post, October 16, 2000, Jim Bronskill BEGIN QUOTE Federal officials are wrestling with the privacy implications of intercepting e-mail messages during attempts to zero in on computer viruses. A newly declassified report by Canada's electronic spy agency indicates the issue is among the thorny legal questions that need to be clarified before going ahead with a planned national centre to protect vital information networks. The Communications Security Establishment report, obtained under the Access to Information Act, stresses the need for policy guidance to help the proposed information protection co-ordination centre investigate viruses and cyber attacks. "The interception of e-mail messages may be required when tracking down viruses since most viruses are distributed through the e-mail system," says the CSE report, prepared in April. "This may be seen as an invasion of privacy but in some cases it may be necessary in order to ensure network security." It notes that existing case law deals with similar scenarios but the results are "still subject to interpretation." ... END QUOTE rest of text: <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> It is not very clear what the CSE et all have in mind, perhaps a CALEA[1] like wiretapping party house or Carnivore [2]. -M Taylor [1] Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (U.S. Gov't) <http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/CALEA/> [2] http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/ --- end forwarded text -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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CDR: The Butterfly Effect
by Tim May 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Devil's Dictionary, 2005 edition: "Butterfly Effect: Wherein the use of a "butterfly ballot" having candidates listed on either side of a central column was claimed to have confused some elderly Jewish voters in Palm County, Florida and thus was used by lawyers as an excuse to take full control of the American election process." --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Declan, King of the Wired, wrote: # TO VOTE for a candidate whose name is printed on the ballot, # mark a cross (X) in the blank space at the RIGHT of the name # of the candidate for whom you desire to vote. To vote for a # candidate whose name is not printed on the ballot, write the # candidate's name in the blank space provided for that purpose. Yep: that was clear. Declan, King of the Wired, wrote: # (As a followup, I should say I see "RIGHT" in the sample ballot, You're so cute! C'mere...coootchi-coootchie-coo!!!

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CDR: RE: Close Elections and Causality
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Thanks Tim. (First, I genuinely appreciate the specificity. Now we can discuss just where we disagree.) Given your points, one would have to argue that the proper election would have to be extremely simultaneous (e.g. everyone votes within 1 hour or whatever will most likely beat any realistic attempt to predict voter results before the vote is actually finished). I can see your point. However, it ain't gonna happen precisely because people have normal life concerns that truly are 24x7 and simply cannot work around them. (e.g. kids, certain kinds of jobs, etc ...). A reasonable level of flexibility is required. "Reasonable" appears to mean opening polls for most of the day, but I would hate to have some faceless fed tell me what reasonable is. Tax day is another example. Shit. Why should the Post Office do anything extra special for you if you don't get your forms filed in time? Why should they set up special lines and special times on the night of April 15? Because it's a compromise. It's pragmatic. The goal is to get people to file and to file on time. Same thing here. The goal is to give people a chance to vote. Otherwise, national elections should have national rules, according to your reasoning. States should not be allowed to set up their own mechanisms to vote on national elections. But in fact, the states ARE granted such flexibility because that's the tradition. It does not fit yours or someone else's absolute ideals, but then it's such a huge process and who knows what level of flexibility each state or local region needs. So on the issue of extending hours: If each district, county, township, neighborhood should decide to open the polls LONGER, I can't see a problem with that. If they close it earlier, it's probably not a problem either unless someone felt they did not have a chance to get to the polls. Then someone will have to decide whether that person had a fair chance to vote. But you don't want some no-name federal government bureaucrat deciding what constitutes a fair and reasonable chance to vote in your circumstances, right? Yes, I know, you can probably name all sorts of extreme and clearly abusive behavior that this would allow. But surprisingly, most people do not abuse the system. Most people don't if it is too inconvenient to be a pain-in-the-ass. On the issue of re-voting: The causality and the hinge issues are irrelevant if ANY state, county, district, whatever can go to a judge and argue (not demand arbitrarily) for re-vote. It's exactly YOUR argument: Just because county X is demanding a re-vote does not suddenly make that county the hinge vote. They obviously do not know or care if county Y also demand a re-vote. Same flaw. Because every area of the country have the same right (as Palm Beach) to demand a re-vote. But "reasonableness" and "compromise" will usually demand some upper bound on how much of this can occur to correct for any problems that arise. My personal view is that it is obvious that the election is close, period. Therefore, any particular place where it's winner-take-all, a reasonable request to re-vote should be granted. Lots of places here and abroad have the concept of run-off elections for precisely the same reasons: Let's see what the voters really want. Ern -----Original Message----- From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:02 AM To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: Close Elections and Causality [ Long educational rant about causation and how some people are not clued in. ]

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