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CDR: Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Wow, NBC reports 19,000 Palm Beach County ballots were discarded because _two_ holes were punched, presumably by people confused by the illegally formatted ballot. Buchanun received three times the votes expected. >This _NY Times_ article has a little more detail: >http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-ELN-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.ht… > >: Florida law specifies that voters mark an X in the blank space >: to the right of the name of the candidate they want to vote for. >: >: Jeff Liggio, a lawyer for county Democrats, called the ballot >: illegal. "Right means right, doesn't it? The state law says right. >: It doesn't mean left," he said.

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CDR: Weather [was: RE: Well, that's over. Heads up, America!]
by Templeton, Stuart 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

i think the weather thing has more to do with the agricultural background of the country, and how this influenced the development of American Society at an early stage. Most Americans i've spoken with don't actually "MEAN IT"... perhaps there's some selfish concern about being comfortable in the weather at hand while doing some inane activity. Tennis (or whatever) in the snow? does this really seem so bizarre? -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Trei, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:29 AM To: cypherpunks Mailing List; 'Ken Brown' Subject: Weather [was: RE: Well, that's over. Heads up, America!] > Ken Brown[SMTP:k.brown@ccs.bbk.ac.uk] wrote: > > OK you folks on the downwind side of the Atlantic, now your election is > over (even if you won't know the result for 3 weeks yet), can you take > your weather back? We've had a month of egregious rain and floods over > here and I'm sure it has to be your fault somehow. 5 tornadoes in Sussex > (my home county) one of them even killed people. These things just don't > happen in England. It must be the Americans fault. Somehow. It wasn't > like this in my day... [...] > Ken Brown [...] I once heard a European pundit observe that Americans seem normal most of the time, but every now and then something surfaces to make it clear just how alien they actually are. The example he gave was the American obsession with weather. In Europe, talk about the weather is just conversational padding; noise of no serious consequence to fill an otherwise awkward silences. Americans, on the other hand, MEAN IT when they talk about the weather. They sit up and pay attention when forecasts appear. All US cable systems carry a channel which broadcasts nothing except weather reports, 24x7 - a notion which seems as bizarre to Europeans as would a channel for watching the grass grow. He surmised that this is due to the fact that in the US, unlike Europe, bad weather can kill you. [And even if it doesn't kill you, it can sure as hell play havoc with your day. I've had over 2 feet of snow overnight at my house, while 10 miles away there was just rain. Mark Twain once gave a speech about the New England weather: http://marktwain.about.com/arts/marktwain/library/speeches/bl_weather.htm It's worth a look. ] Peter Trei

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CDR: Calif Mandatory Youth Education Camp competition loses in CA
by David Honig 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Seems the Calif proposition to fund private schools has failed. You must register Jr. with the government next September. Mandatory anthrax shots in January.

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CDR: Re: A very brief politcal rant
by Anonymous 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

brflgnk(a)cotse.com wrote: > If the citizens of Missouri chose to elect a deceased person as Senator, > I think that's exactly what they should get. Leave the seat empty for > two years. I think the good Senator Elect's corpse should be carted to Washington where it should be erected in its designated seat and left to putrefy. Better, his corpse and several hundred of those on Tim's list should be doused with a plague variant and catapulted over the walls of the Capitol Building.

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CDR: Re: A strange election scenario.
by James B Windle 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

-- On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:28:25 Trei, Peter wrote: >In most states, electoral college >electors are bound by law to cast their >votes in favor of the candidate who won >their state. But not all - in some states >(which ones? I don't know) electors can >legally vote their conscience. A Libertarian >presidential candidate got an electoral vote >a while back in this manner. > The electoral college vote you are thinking of was in the 1976 election, a Republican elector from Virginia cast his vote in the electoral college for McBride who was the Libertarian candidate that election. The elector was not a very popular guy with the Republican party but he broke no law. Jim Windle > > > > Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com

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CDR: More blather from the DEMS on FL
by William H. Geiger III 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

While the recount of the FL ballots is going on the Democrats are now complaining about the format of the ballot and threating legal action. It seems that the ballot is "confusing". The complaint is that the double sided ballot contained 2 columns on each side rather than one. I personally used the FL ballot. It was large, well printed, and quite legible. Anyone who was "confused" by it's format is just too dam stupid to vote. I am starting to get the feeling that the SC is going to decide this election before it is all over. :( -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: RE: Lawsuit filed <sigh>
by Ernest Hua 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

This outrage is dubious at best. After all, the re-election will probably be one of the most closely supervised election in a long time. In any case ... If the people care enough, they can supervise the historically fraudulent election districts. The problem is that most people don't give a hoot what happens if it's not in their back yard and it does not hurt them in an obvious manner. The only interested parties here ARE the Parties. Everyone else will whine a little, and then forget about it next week. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: William H. Geiger III [mailto:whgiii@openpgp.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lawsuit filed <sigh> Well a lawsuit has been filed for a new election to be held in Palm Beach County. Jessy Jackson and the rest of the Carpetbaggers need to get out of our state. An interesting tidbit: Escambia Co., FL 71% of registered voters voted, 20% higher than the country average. :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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FL ballot box missing/found
by Somebody 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Dear Sir: FL polling stations -- at least in my county -- have two boxes with locks. When voting is over, up to a dozen voluntary poll workers lock the used and unused ballots in a small box. They lock it up and two of them must drive the box to a central collection office. Other polling station equipment is left at the polling site -- the vote machines, office supplies, and such are left in the polling place -- be it a school room, the American Legion Hall, or a church site. The office supplies are to be put in a large locked box -- left at the polling place for subsequent pickup by reps of the County Supervisor of Elections. Finding a large, locked box in the polling place is quite natural. It contains no ballots -- only pens, staple machines, posters and such. <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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FL ballot box missing/found
by Somebody 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Dear Sir: FL polling stations -- at least in my county -- have two boxes with locks. When voting is over, up to a dozen voluntary poll workers lock the used and unused ballots in a small box. They lock it up and two of them must drive the box to a central collection office. Other polling station equipment is left at the polling site -- the vote machines, office supplies, and such are left in the polling place -- be it a school room, the American Legion Hall, or a church site. The office supplies are to be put in a large locked box -- left at the polling place for subsequent pickup by reps of the County Supervisor of Elections. Finding a large, locked box in the polling place is quite natural. It contains no ballots -- only pens, staple machines, posters and such. <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[RRE]Florida recount
by Phil Agre 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

[Peter Orvetti <http://www.orvetti.com/>, whose site was easily the fastest and most reliable last night, says that a locked ballot box was found in a Democratic region of Florida. Missing ballot boxes are a Florida tradition, and I enclose a piece on the 1988 Senate election that Peter Neumann wrote for SIGSOFT Software Engineering Notes. Reformatted to 70 columns.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" option. For information about RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, see http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/rre.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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