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CDR: The Canine Excrement Effect
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

The Canine Excrement Effect : whereupon having stepped squarely into a fresh heap, the weary traveller experiences an epiphany and declares, "whether it's on my right foot or my left is irrelevant, it's foul and it stinks" then proceeds to perform an erratic twisting, sliding dance across the grass in an attempt to remove the muck, a small portion of which has become lodged between the sole and the upper, possibly permanently.

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CDR: RE: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

> There cannot be a re-vote of the County, or even of the entire State, > as this would distort the forces acting on the electorate in a way > never seen before. The Palm County voters would know _they_ would be > electing the next president. Billions of dollars would be spent > trying to buy each and every voter. "distort the forces ..." Lord! No! Don't let them do that! Geez, Tim. What happened to personal responsibility? Who gives two bits what "forces" will be upon them. They will ultimately still have to cast a vote which they were casting just days earlier. Who cares if idiots spend billions to sway a few thousand votes. That's THEIR problem. It's free speech, as you have claimed in the past. I still don't get this uproar over re-doing something that was fishy. Who's rights are being trampled upon by this? Ern

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CDR: Re: Phil Zimmerman Profiled
by Jim Choate 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > Thank God. Has anyone here actually read the PGP 1.0 source? Yes, I still have the 1.0 disk that was d/l'ed the day Phil put it up on Adelante BBS in Colorado. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Computer Security 2000 Mexico
by Seguridad en Computo - Mexico 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Good Day!! The Computer Security Department of the University of Mexico (UNAM), invites you to the Computer Security 2000 Mexico congress which will celebrate from November 25 to November 30th. On November 30th we will celebrate the Computer Security Day convoqued by ACM worldwide and for this day the program includes big conferences of Simson Garfinkel, Alan Paller, Gene Schultz, Linda McCarthy and Theo de Raadt. It's a great opportunity to exchange ideas and talk with the experts trough a panel sessions like "Can we trust in open source" by Theo de Raadt and Simson Garfinkel or "Intrusion detection it's just the beginning" by Linda McCarthy, Becky Bace and Fred Smith or a big talk of Simson Garfinkel concern "Wireless Commmunications Security" or the new Alan Paller "Top 10 Vulnerabiities of All the time" between other interesting conferences. The official languages for the congress are English and Spanish. For More information concern the congress and all the details: Computer Security 2000 Mexico Congress http://www.seguridad2000.unam.mx Computer Security Day Mexico(November 30) http://www.disc2000.unam.mx Best Regards --- Juan Carlos Guel Lopez Departamento Seguridad en C'omputo E-mail: dsc(a)seguridad.unam.mx DGSCA, UNAM Tel.: 5622-81-69 Fax: 5622-80-43 Circuito Exterior, C. U. WWW: http://www.seguridad.unam.mx/ 04510 Mexico D. F. PGP: finger dsc(a)ds5000.super.unam.mx

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CDR: swiss to use DNA instead of prints
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

In Switzerland DNA tests to replace fingerprinting Vienna, Nov 9, IRNA -- Traditional fingerprinting of criminals is to be replaced by DNA tests within four years in Switzerland, Swiss Radio International reported Thursday. The cabinet approved the move on Thursday, saying DNA was a much more reliable method of identifying suspects. Under the new system, a database of DNA profiles is to be set up to assist police in tracking down suspects. The database will contain genetic information about convicted criminals, enabling police to establish whether a particular person was present at the scene of a crime. Announcing the decision, the justice ministry said the system had been operating on an experimental basis since July 1. It added that traditional fingerprinting techniques would continue to be used alongside the DNA database until 2004, when fingerprinting would be dropped.

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CDR: building codes, property rights (follow up)
by David Honig 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

I asked a lawyer who does real estate development: >> I'm having a prolonged flame with someone, and I'm afraid they're right. >> I'm claiming there are regulations about what you must have *in your house >> (single-family dwelling) right now* vs. when you sell it. But I may >> be wrong. I've searched online law resources for regs about houses, >> but they all seem to be enforced only when you sell. Know any rules >> about equiptment you must have in modern houses? He replied: >The rules are generally construction rules set forth in the state and local >building codes; they are regulations, not statutes for the most. They cover >everything from structure (foundation thickness, earthquake requirements in >CA, wind load engineering standards in FL. As far as equipment, I don't >believe that the codes are too detailed. They all require smoke detectors. >Then there are equipment specific regulations, such as the 3.5 gal toilets, >the safety garage door openers. There are also separate electrical codes that >mandate wall outlets every so many feet, what kind of wiring can be used. >There are plumbing codes that will require a bathroom with a toilet, tub, >lavatory, etc. in each house. Some building codes go so far as to require >minimum kitchens, but many don't. Most building codes are applied only to >new construction, but also kick in when there is major reconstruction of an >old home, or if the home is rented to others. There are some requirements on >sale; in NY you would have to install a smoke detector in an old home in order >to sell it, and must give an affidavit to the buyer that it is in working >condition. So Tim is right --there are no constraints on his property, unless he wants to improve or sell it. Or the government needs it for a freeway...

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CDR: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

The lawsuit has until January to succeed. The invalid ballot... Listed second: Gore/Lieberman. Second hole punch votes for: Buchanun. Image of invalid ballot: http://www.gopbi.com/news/local/ballot.html http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish. See: In article <avram-0811001934590001(a)manhattan.crossover.com>, Avram Grumer wrote: > >This _NY Times_ article has a little more detail: >http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-ELN-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.ht… > >: Florida law specifies that voters mark an X in the blank space >: to the right of the name of the candidate they want to vote for. >: >: Jeff Liggio, a lawyer for county Democrats, called the ballot >: illegal. "Right means right, doesn't it? The state law says right. >: It doesn't mean left," he said.

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Tim, I most certainly am not recanting, and you know it. (Well, perhaps you don't, but I would think better of you despite your negativity.) If you read the part I did think carefully about, you would know exactly what I was referring to. But feel free to spit out 90% venom, and 10% substance. It's clearly your style. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: A very brief politcal rant At 4:30 PM -0500 11/9/00, Ernest Hua wrote: > > From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > > > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let >> me think of a better term. How about fraud. >> Promising voters special favors if he is elected. >> But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. > >Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch >yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no >pun intended) is that you have a point ... You seem to do this a lot: shoot from the hip with some flaky and ill-presented ideas and then concede that others have raised points you haven't thought about. While none of us expects others to share all or even most of our views, a certain minimum of knowledge in how government works is expected. Please go find some high school-level textbooks on our federal republic system, on the electoral college, and on basic issues about why changing voting hours at the last minute, changing the voting rules, and allowing "do overs" are just not permissable. Get some education. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Tim May 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

At 4:30 PM -0500 11/9/00, Ernest Hua wrote: > > From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > > > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let >> me think of a better term. How about fraud. >> Promising voters special favors if he is elected. >> But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. > >Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch >yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no >pun intended) is that you have a point ... You seem to do this a lot: shoot from the hip with some flaky and ill-presented ideas and then concede that others have raised points you haven't thought about. While none of us expects others to share all or even most of our views, a certain minimum of knowledge in how government works is expected. Please go find some high school-level textbooks on our federal republic system, on the electoral college, and on basic issues about why changing voting hours at the last minute, changing the voting rules, and allowing "do overs" are just not permissable. Get some education. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Life imitates Art
by Bill O'Hanlon 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

The current situation reminds me of the movie RoboCop. There's a scene where a city bureaucrat is holding a bunch of city employees hostage after he lost the election. He might be the mayor -- I don't remember for sure. He's shouting his demands to the cops outside the city building. The relevant line from the movie is something like , "I demand a RECOUNT! And regardless of how the recount turns out, I WANT MY OLD JOB BACK!" -Bill -- Bill O'Hanlon wmo(a)pro-ns.net Professional Network Services, Inc. 612-379-3958

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