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15 Nov '00

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CDR: November DoveBid News
by News＠DoveBid.com 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

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London Conference on the topic of "B2B Auctions - Buying and Selling" on December 5, 2000. ============================================================= FEEDBACK AND REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS You have received this newsletter because you are a registered user at DoveBid. If you want to be removed from our distribution list, reply to this message with REMOVE in the subject heading. Please allow one week for your name to be removed from our distribution list. We want to make this newsletter useful for DoveBid registered users and welcome your feedback. Please send any comments to mailto:news@dovebid.com. Copyright DoveBid Inc., 2000. All rights reserved.

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CDR: CIA Website Update
by John Young 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

Nothing on the site about 16,000 newly released secret docs on CIA murder-meddling in Chile. http://www.odci.gov/cia/update_service.html Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:30:02 -0500 (EST) : From: CIA Web Site Update <updates(a)ucia.gov> Subject: DCI/CIA Web Site Update E-mail Service Addition : Apparently-To: <jya(a)pipeline.com> Welcome to the Director of Central Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency's Web Site Update Service. You are subscribed to the list as jya(a)pipeline.com. As a participant in this program, we will notify you by e-mail whenever we add new documents to our Web Site. A reminder: We will not share your e-mail address with any third party except as stated in our Security notice at http://www.cia.gov/cia/notices.html#sec. Read our full Privacy notice at http://www.cia.gov/cia/notices.html#priv and the Web Site Update Service Privacy notice specific to this service at http://www.cia.gov/cia/notices.html#update.

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CDR: Internet is Too SLOW? Not money to Update PC? Can't protect yourself? Need MONEY? It is HERE! -GPPL
by spd4up＠yahoo.com 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: A secure voting protocol
by David Honig 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

At 02:45 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >used a purple dye. If you actually knew any blacks (I'm using that >word instead of the currently PC 'African-American' because it's skin >color that's under discussion, and the discussion applies to people >outside the US as well), As well as Indians, Aussie aborigines, etc. in the US. >Also, if you want to get high tech, use a fluorescent dye mixed >with DMSO. It'll penetrate deep into the skin, and be visible under DMSO will let many dyes (and the DMSO) penetrate into your bloodstream. Bad implementation, good idea.

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CDR: A secure voting protocol
by Ray Dillinger 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

Okay, this information is old hat to most folk here - but it seems relevant just now, and if the infrastructure had been in place for this election, it could have saved us a heck of a lot of trouble. Bear An Election Protocol: Or, a way for people in voting societies to exercise their franchise without stirring themselves to get down to the polls or, for that matter, leaving their computer. 1) Alice the voter creates twenty sets of ballots. Each set of ballots contains one ballot each for all the different things Alice could vote for. ie, if it's a presidential election, each set would contain: a ballot voting for the American Reform Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Constitutional Party candidate a ballot voting for the Democratic Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Green Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Libertarian Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Nazi Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Republican Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Socialist Party candidate, a ballot voting for the Whig Party candidate, et cetera. Each set of ballots also has an identification number, chosen at random from a number field big enough to make collisions unlikely. The identification number is on each ballot, and is common to all ballots in that set. For 3 * 10^8 voters, a 25-digit decimal number should make collisions acceptably unlikely. 2) Alice now blinds all the ballot sets with different blinding factors and transmits them to Bob the vote tabulator. She Also sends Bob a digitally signed message that says "I'm voting -- Alice". 3) Bob checks the digital signature, checks to make sure he hasn't already signed a ballot for Alice, picks one of the twenty sets, and communicates his choice to Alice. 4) Alice responds by sending Bob the blinding factors for the other nineteen sets of ballots. 5) Bob unblinds the nineteen sets of ballots, making sure that they all have exactly one ballot per candidate and that each set uses its own identification number. Satisfied that Alice is not trying to "pull a fast one", Bob then signs each ballot in the chosen set of ballots and returns them all to Alice. 6) Alice unblinds the ballot set while preserving Bob's signature. She now has a set of ballots signed by Bob. She encrypts the ballot reflecting her choice with Bob's public key and sends it to Bob anonymously. 7) Bob decrypts the ballot, checks his own signature to make sure it's valid, checks the identification number to make sure no other ballots from this set have been submitted already, writes down the identification number to check future ballots against, and increments his tally for the candidate Alice selected. 8) When the election is over, Bob publishes the ballots and the signed "I'm voting" messages. Alice can scan the published information to make sure that her vote is present and that the numbers all add up correctly. Alice can also check to make sure that there are NOT more ballots than there were "I'm voting" messages, preventing Bob from stuffing the ballot box. The protocol enforces the one vote per voter rule. If Alice tries to obtain more than one set of ballots, Bob will detect it in step 3. If Alice tries to submit more than one ballot from the same set, Bob will detect it in step 7. No one other than the voter can tell whom a particular voter voted for. Bob signs the ballots from the selected set under a blinding factor in step 5. When he later gets the unblinded ballot in step 6, he can check his signature, but cannot correlate it to any particular ballot he's signed. The only person who can prove who Alice voted for is Alice. She can communicate her submitted ballot to a third party before Bob publishes the results, and when Bob publishes the ballots the third party can make sure there's a ballot that matches. Bob is able to generate fake ballots, but he cannot generate signed "I'm voting" messages from eligible voters. Therefore if he uses fake ballots to try to stuff the ballot box, he will be detected in step 8. One exception to this is if people obtain ballots (giving him "I voted" messages) but do not then complete the protocol by submitting a vote. Bob can then enter a fake ballot without being detected. One fact about this protocol is that even though you cannot prove who anyone voted *for*, you can prove that they did or did not *vote*. This may or may not be a problem depending on the application. A vulnerability about this protocol is that Alice can transfer her vote if she wants to. To do this, Alice would unblind her ballots in step 6, and send the whole set to Carol. Carol could pretend to be Alice in step 7, and check in step 8 to make sure Alice didn't submit one of her own votes (invalidating Carol's purchased vote). So California Democratic supporters could swap ballots with Nevada Green supporters, enabling the Nevadans to vote Green in California (where it's "safe" to vote for a third party because there isn't a close race between the major parties one of whom they regard as EVIL) while the Californians voted Democratic in Nevada, where they'd stand a better chance of having their vote make a difference in the determination of electoral votes and keeping the EVIL guy out of office. Again, this may or may not be a problem depending on the application - in most voting situations, where there is no electoral college, there would be no motive to exchange ballots. But selling of ballots is also usually bad for the process, and the US seems to dislike transfer of ballots in general as regards its own elections - so I'm listing this as a vulnerability.

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CDR: Gary Chapman On Online Voting, Even if Secure, Won't Solve Election Troubles
by Matthew Gaylor 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

DIGITAL NATION Online Voting, Even if Secure, Won't Solve Election Troubles By Gary Chapman Copyright 2000, The Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved The uproar over last week's election results, particularly the controversy over the vote in Florida, has fueled calls for online voting. Some experts think the problems of last week could be solved by computerized voting, while others insist that is fraught with insecurity. Controversy about how computers handle votes has been around for a while. It was an issue championed for years by longtime Los Angeles civil-liberties activist Mae Churchill, who died in 1996 at age 84. Churchill was the founder of Pacific Palisades-based Election Watch, and 15 years ago she convinced many technical experts that there are serious problems when computers are introduced into the voting process. "Mae Churchill got me into this issue," said Peter Neumann, a researcher at SRI International in Menlo Park, Calif., and an internationally known authority on computer security. Now, he said, "I would not trust a computerized voting system even if I had written itmyself, because of the many ways in which such systems can be subverted." "It's so easy to rig an election," Neumann said. He cited the fact that "punch card" ballots -- the cardboard ballots that use a punched hole to read a vote -- can be invalidated simply by running a needle through a stack of the cards. That can make it look like a vote for two candidates for the same office. Florida election officials threw out more than 19,000 ballots last week because of the appearance of voters selecting two candidates in the presidential election. In Boston in 1993, Neumann said, a local election's results were reversed after authorities discovered errors caused by "hanging chad," the tiny paper remnant of a punched hole that can hang off the back side of the card ballot and then reclose the hole when the ballot is run through a light scanner for tabulation. This problem reportedly caused some of the vote tallies to change in last week's recounts in Florida. Also in 1993 in Florida, a St. Petersburg precinct that had no registered voters because it was an industrial area showed 1,429 votes for an incumbent mayor, who won by 1,425 votes. Another Florida case happened in 1988, when there were 200,000 fewer votes in the Senate race than for the presidential candidates, and most of the missing votes came from four counties that used the same computer vote-tallying vendor. "If it was built by man, it can be broken by man," said Doug Lewis, director of the Election Center in Houston, an organization that does training and consulting for election officials nationwide. "People asking for [online voting] don't understand the electoral process and the incredible safety and security problems that go into that." "I do worry that computer elections systems are large and complex systems," said David Jefferson, the technical director of the California Internet Voting Task Force and a researcher at Compaq Systems Research Center in Palo Alto. "The main worry is not bugs in the software or in communications, but each time they are used they have to be configured rather elaborately. Ballot choices have to fit a voter's residence, which can often be a complicated task. If they are misconfigured they can produce erroneous results." The California secretary of state's task force on Internet voting recommended against remote online voting earlier this year. "We have to understand that the security problems for allowing that are so severe that we can't recommend that solution at all. These problems are inherent in the architecture of the personal computer," Jefferson said. Instead, some online voting proponents are supporting an interim solution: polling-place computer voting. "That kind of Internet voting can be fielded now, and the security problems are manageable," Jefferson noted. Polling-place electronic voting involves using a networked computer to vote at a conventional polling site. This method has the added security of controlling the machines and identifying each voter in person. Some argued last week that polling-place electronic voting would have solved some of the problems Florida encountered. "Spoiling a ballot would be prevented by computer," Jefferson said. The computer program could prevent a confused or deliberate vote for two candidates in the same race. Another benefit might be that counties could report real-time vote counts, which could help prevent television networks or Web sites from inaccurately guessing at how a state's electoral college vote might turn out. Vote totals also could be reported instantly after the polls closed. But Jefferson said the alleged confusion last week in Palm Beach County, Fla., where some people claim to have voted for Pat Buchanan when they meant to vote for Al Gore, still could be a problem in electronic voting, Jefferson said. "Someone with a good design sense has to be in charge of the design of a screen, just like a paper ballot," he said. Even so, the obstacles to adopting polling-place electronic voting are daunting. Aside from the expense of providing every polling place with multiple computer systems, there are still significant security issues and a dearth of trained personnel in our election system. "Most of us who have been in elections a long time are uncomfortable with the idea of turning over elections to a private, for-profit company," said Lewis of the Election Center. Although private companies do run election systems, they are supervised by public officials, usually at the county level. Few counties in the U.S. can afford to pay for technical experts who can evaluate and monitor sophisticated networked computer systems with multiple redundancies, encryption, complex backup and security measures, and state-of-the-art equipment. Moreover, Lewis said, fraud in U.S. elections is low because the systems we use are so decentralized and cumbersome. Centralized and computerized data would be a tempting target for hackers, subversives and perhaps foreign governments, he said. "Even companies with tens of millions of dollars for protecting their systems are penetrated," Lewis said. "How many counties have that kind of money?" "Electronic voting is not going to solve our problems," Neumann said. Lewis added: "Everyone wants instant Internet gratification. We've been conditioned to expect this now. The truth is we're not going to have instantaneous Internet voting. We're not going to be doing this in 'Internet time.' " Gary Chapman is director of the 21st Century Project at the University of Texas at Austin. He can be reached at gary.chapman(a)mail.utexas.edu. ------------------------------------------ To subscribe to a listserv that forwards copies of Gary Chapman's published articles, including his column "Digital Nation" in The Los Angeles Times, send mail to: listproc(a)lists.cc.utexas.edu Leave the subject line blank. In the first line of the message, put: Subscribe Chapman [First name] [Last name] Leave out the brackets, just put your name after Chapman. Send this message. You'll get a confirmation message back confirming your subscription. 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CDR: Re: BSA deploys imaginary pirate software detector vans
by Bill Stewart 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

At 02:32 PM 11/13/00 -0800, Tib wrote: >> "Our suggestion is that software packages include in their screen layout a few >> lines with a signal that encodes the license serial number plus a random value >> . . . a "software detector van" can be used to patrol business districts and >> other areas where software piracy is suspected. If the van receives twenty >> signals from the same copy of a software from a company that has only licensed >> five copies, then probable cause for a search warrant has been established." >> p.13 > >Hope I'm not being totally naive about the capability of computer hardware, but >I sure don't recall my PC (or any that I have ever had or can think of >seeing) having short range broadcasting capabilities. How would this be >theorheticly possible (despite the utter nonsense that the rumor must be) to >accomplish, if at all? You don't need a specific radio broadcaster in your PC. Lots of things leak electrically and radiate signals, some useful and easy to decode. Just because it's not useful to YOU doesn't mean it's not useful to an eavesdropper. Video cards, monitors and keyboards are among the loudest. Laptop CRT screens are rumored to be much quieter, but it's not so, at least for most laptops which have an unshielded VGA plug on them so you can plug in a real monitor. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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CDR: Trusted Client Systems--echo var
by www＠www.starrtree.com 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

This e-mail message is a reply to a Web page using the form2mail script. The reply was generated by a web page at www.starrtree.com. Dear Mr/s Joe Cypherpunk, Thank you for your interest in Trusted Client Systems unique suite of secure PCs, products and services. Your name has been added to our mailing list and you will be hearing from us shortly regarding our products, their prices, availability and special introductory offers. Thanks again for your interest, The Trusted Client Systems staff

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CDR: social insects
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

> Both ants and bees, to just name two, are "social insects." The Japanese are pretty similar, too.

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