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CDR: digital electronic signature software
by Helen Ginsburg 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Am interested in purchasing software as soon as possible for home use. Have microsoft works 4.0 and Lotus Suite Wordpro operating on WIndows 98. Please advise. Helen _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing
by David Honig 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

There's an article in EETimes 6 Nov 2000 p 160 about EDA providers who let you download tools, then pay for them by the hour. This differs from ASPs who run the apps on their machines (thereby exposing your secret designs). The interesting thing is that many tools run $5/hour, (e.g., for a $10K-$25K per seat app) and are billable in .01 second quanta. That's about a tenth of a penny. The license-server is filled with stored value (e.g., from a credit card, they'd probably take more anonymous transfers) and can run for a while without talking to the server. Interesting bizmodel and good example of crypto enabling commerce. [Though not really privacy ---you're still trusting the tool provider not to have hacked the tools to send your designs home..] "e*ECAD" is the company FWIW. No affiliation. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- BEZP#ATNE konto e-mail o adresie ty(a)poland.com i NIELIMITOWANEJ pojemno6ci Tylko w POLAND.COM ! www.poland.com

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micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing
by David Honig 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

There's an article in EETimes 6 Nov 2000 p 160 about EDA providers who let you download tools, then pay for them by the hour. This differs from ASPs who run the apps on their machines (thereby exposing your secret designs). The interesting thing is that many tools run $5/hour, (e.g., for a $10K-$25K per seat app) and are billable in .01 second quanta. That's about a tenth of a penny. The license-server is filled with stored value (e.g., from a credit card, they'd probably take more anonymous transfers) and can run for a while without talking to the server. Interesting bizmodel and good example of crypto enabling commerce. [Though not really privacy ---you're still trusting the tool provider not to have hacked the tools to send your designs home..] "e*ECAD" is the company FWIW. No affiliation. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- BEZP#ATNE konto e-mail o adresie ty(a)poland.com i NIELIMITOWANEJ pojemno6ci Tylko w POLAND.COM ! www.poland.com

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CDR: Fwd: First Site
by ellie900＠usa.com 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

THE NEW LINK FOR OUR SITE. SORRY FOR ANY TROUBLE YOU MAY HAVE HAD WITH THE OLD LINK. THIS ONE HAS ALL THE CORRECTIONS http://3638141293/36/1059436/legal.html

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CDR: RE: Florida Electorial defection threat!
by Bill Stewart 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

At 09:58 AM 11/15/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >It would take at least two faithless electors to >swing the election to Gore. One would make it >a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. That's one reason that Bush has been working on overturning election results in other states. Gore would not only have to win Oregon, which he probably has, but not lose any of the other states he's won - anywhere else would require a lot more defections. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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15 Nov '00

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Declan McCullagh 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Whoops. You're right: I meant to type "Oregon." If it went to the House, it would be a ~25-19 vote for Bush, per my Wired article on Sat. --Declan At 12:45 11/15/2000 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >You're correct on the 271, but I'm *sure* you didn't mean to >type 'Utah'. > >Ok, two faithless electors would throw it to the house, and >three would make it Gore, as I said on the 8th. > >Peter > > > ---------- > > From: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:37 PM > > To: Trei, Peter > > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net; 'George(a)orwellian.org' > > Subject: Re: Florida Electoral defection threat! > > > > No, if Bush won Florida but not Utah, he'd have > > 246+25=271, not 270 e.v. > > > > If one elector defected, Bush would win, if two electors defected, > > Bush would win (in House), if three electors defected, Gore would win. > > > > -Declan > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:16:38AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > Do the numbers: > > > > > > The electoral college standings are currently: > > > > > > Bush: 246 > > > Gore: 255 > > > > > > Undecided states: > > > Florida 25 > > > New Mexico 5 > > > Oregon 7 > > > > > > Total 538 > > > > > > If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, > > > and Gore gets 268. > > > > > > One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. > > > > > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

> George@orwellian.org[SMTP:George@orwellian.org] wrote: > > "Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> wrote: > # > # It would take at least two faithless electors to > # swing the election to Gore. One would make it > # a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. > > Ping pong, ping pong. > > Isn't a switch of one vote a difference of two in the total? > > Wait, that's wrong. > > As long as the majority of the electoral college > votes, the winner is the one with the majority of > that. 270 would still be a winner for Bush. > > Are the rest of the states lining up for a 270-270 tie??? > -------------------- Do the numbers: The electoral college standings are currently: Bush: 246 Gore: 255 Undecided states: Florida 25 New Mexico 5 Oregon 7 Total 538 If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, and Gore gets 268. One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. Peter Trei

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

You're correct on the 271, but I'm *sure* you didn't mean to type 'Utah'. Ok, two faithless electors would throw it to the house, and three would make it Gore, as I said on the 8th. Peter > ---------- > From: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:37 PM > To: Trei, Peter > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net; 'George(a)orwellian.org' > Subject: Re: Florida Electoral defection threat! > > No, if Bush won Florida but not Utah, he'd have > 246+25=271, not 270 e.v. > > If one elector defected, Bush would win, if two electors defected, > Bush would win (in House), if three electors defected, Gore would win. > > -Declan > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:16:38AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Do the numbers: > > > > The electoral college standings are currently: > > > > Bush: 246 > > Gore: 255 > > > > Undecided states: > > Florida 25 > > New Mexico 5 > > Oregon 7 > > > > Total 538 > > > > If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, > > and Gore gets 268. > > > > One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. > > > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

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