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26 Aug '01

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Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money
by Tim May 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

On Saturday, August 25, 2001, at 02:46 PM, Faustine wrote: > Declan wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:05:04PM -0400, Faustine wrote: >> Great points. If you're looking to make a difference re: cypherpunk and >> pro-libertarian issues and have a scientific and practical streak, why >> not >> get an advanced degree in policy analysis instead? You get a rock-solid >> grounding in a number of critical disciplines, and put yourself in a >> position to seriously affect policy on the broadest possible stage. > >> Alas, the best policy analysts I've seen are lawyers. Folks in DC, at >> least,look down at people who got an easier "policy analysis" degree as >> people who couldn't or didn't want to go to law school. > >> -Declan > > True, if you don't pick your program carefully, it's entirely too > possible > to end up with a nebulous grab bag of an education that doesn't amount > to > much. It's all in the school, really. And I agree, there are some > fantastic > lawyer-analysts out there. But the ones I really admire are the > mathematician-analysts, the hard-science analysts: they tend not to hog > the > limelight like some of their more voluble counterparts, but their > influence > is still enormous. I'd be interesting in hearing whom you think are good examples. I can think of some scientists who had enormous influences on policy, men like Szilard, Von Neumann, Fermi, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, and a bunch of others just in their field. Or in fields like game theory, economics, biology, medicine, and so on. But the typical "mathematician-analyst" coming out of a typical grad program, even a high-reputation grad program, is not going to have "enormous influence." A vanishingly small fraction will, in fact. Look, while you condemn all the anonymous and pseudonymous posts here, we know zero about who you are, where you are, what you do, except that you're probably some kind of intern who surfs the Net while your employer for the summer is paying you do some kind of study. Do you think you are preparing to have "enormous influence" on policy? Do you think the superdupercomputer you say you want to assemble out of old machines will help you in some magical way in this goal? I know a couple of ex-CIA "mathematician-analysts" who were deemed tops in their classes. One is now headed out to the Bay Area to do something more useful. Another I've lost track of. Neither seems to have had "enormous influence" on policy. > It's kind of interesting to see how the field evolved and grew out of > the > strictly military/operations research stuff in the 50s into what it is > now. > It's still evolving, which is part of what makes it so exciting. I > don't > think what I'm doing is any easier than law school, quite the contrary! > Maybe it's better to say it *can* be easier than law school--and often > is-- > but doesn't have to be if you're in the right place and have some > purpose > behind your choices. > > And I hope I didn't sound too down on studying law. I took a graduate > class > in constitutional law myself and spent a semester learning to write > briefs, > getting acquainted with West's Law Finder, etc. just because it's so > important. I'd definitely recommend that much to anyone. The children shall lead us... --Tim May

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Re: Anonymous Posting
by Anonymous 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

Faustine wrote: > I think you mainly have your bloomers in a bunch because I told your > anonymous ass-kiss toady to get a spine. Why Faustine, you sound jealous! I'm flattered you hold my views in such high regard. I like Tim's posts for several reasons. They are to the point and often cut through nonsense. They usually have new facts or a new way to look at something which makes sense, but which I didn't think of already. And some times they are just entertaining. Most importantly, they don't waste my time. I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one Tim May quality post every day for two weeks.

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JAG: The Show, The Cast and Crew, The Convention
by JAGnik 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

PRESS RELEASE Date: August 19, 2001 Organization: JAGnik Association PO Box 2000 Florence, Arizona 85232-2000 Contact: Barbara Badeaux Convention Coordinator Phone: (520) 868-1994 Email: Convention(a)JAGniik.com Web Site: www.JAGnik.com "JAG" Fans Worldwide Gather To Celebrate The Hit TV Series Florence, AZ, August 19, 2001 - On October 12th through the 15th at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles join die-hard JAGnik fans from the United States, Australia, Denmark, England, Italy and elsewhere to meet the stars and celebrate their enthusiasm for the hit TV series, "JAG," the story of the United States Navy's Judge Advocate General's program, at the JAGnik Invasion 2001. For six years and running, JAG, the overwhelmingly popular CBS television military drama has riveted millions of diehard viewers to their seats with outstanding programming. Terrorism, rape, murder, UFO's, women's rights, the Gulf War - JAG tackles them all like no other TV series has ever done. Now meet the stars, directors, writers, get autographs, and find out how they do it. If you are JAG fan, you can't miss this! The JAGnik 2001 convention - the 2nd one of its kind -- will host panel discussions with the cast and crew of JAG, as well as autograph sessions, a charity auction, and a "Charity Brunch" with the stars of one of the most popular programs ever produced. JAG's "Top Gun" stars are expected to be there. Heartthrobs David James Elliot as Lt. Cmdr Harmon Rabb, Jr. and Catherine Bell as Lt. Colonel Sarah "Mac" MacKenzie, who portray military legal eagles who investigate, prosecute, and defend Navy and Marine personnel around the world. Together with Patrick Labyorteaux (Lt. Bud Roberts, Jr.), John M. Jackson (Admiral, former Navy SEAL, Chegwidden), Karri Turner (Lt. jg Harriet Sims), Randy Vasquez (Gunny Victor Valendiz), Chuck Carrington (PO3 Tiner), and Trevor Goddard (Mic Brumbly) the lawyers explore issues facing today's military personnel. Schedules permitting, many of them plan to be there for you to meet. Meet people behind the cameras - writers, production staff - along with recurring stars and occasional guests too. Participate in panel discussions. Let them tell you how JAG develops from an idea into a one-hour action packed finished product. The autograph sessions, auction, and brunch will give the fans a chance to get to know and talk with the stars who portray their favorite characters. Go to on site locations where it really happens. Jagnik Invasion 2001 will be held October 12 - 15 at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles, CA. Information about the convention can be found at our website, www.JAGnik.com or by calling Barbara Badeaux at (520) 868-1994, or writing JAGnik Association, PO Box 2000, Florence, Arizona 85232-2000. We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited commercial e-mail by providing you with a method for your e-mail address to be permanently removed from our database and any future mailings from our company. To remove your address from our mailing database please click the following link http://www.jagnik.com/remove.asp?address=cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com

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JAG: The Show, The Cast and Crew, The Convention
by JAGnik 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

PRESS RELEASE Date: August 19, 2001 Organization: JAGnik Association PO Box 2000 Florence, Arizona 85232-2000 Contact: Barbara Badeaux Convention Coordinator Phone: (520) 868-1994 Email: Convention(a)JAGniik.com Web Site: www.JAGnik.com "JAG" Fans Worldwide Gather To Celebrate The Hit TV Series Florence, AZ, August 19, 2001 - On October 12th through the 15th at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles join die-hard JAGnik fans from the United States, Australia, Denmark, England, Italy and elsewhere to meet the stars and celebrate their enthusiasm for the hit TV series, "JAG," the story of the United States Navy's Judge Advocate General's program, at the JAGnik Invasion 2001. For six years and running, JAG, the overwhelmingly popular CBS television military drama has riveted millions of diehard viewers to their seats with outstanding programming. Terrorism, rape, murder, UFO's, women's rights, the Gulf War - JAG tackles them all like no other TV series has ever done. Now meet the stars, directors, writers, get autographs, and find out how they do it. If you are JAG fan, you can't miss this! The JAGnik 2001 convention - the 2nd one of its kind -- will host panel discussions with the cast and crew of JAG, as well as autograph sessions, a charity auction, and a "Charity Brunch" with the stars of one of the most popular programs ever produced. JAG's "Top Gun" stars are expected to be there. Heartthrobs David James Elliot as Lt. Cmdr Harmon Rabb, Jr. and Catherine Bell as Lt. Colonel Sarah "Mac" MacKenzie, who portray military legal eagles who investigate, prosecute, and defend Navy and Marine personnel around the world. Together with Patrick Labyorteaux (Lt. Bud Roberts, Jr.), John M. Jackson (Admiral, former Navy SEAL, Chegwidden), Karri Turner (Lt. jg Harriet Sims), Randy Vasquez (Gunny Victor Valendiz), Chuck Carrington (PO3 Tiner), and Trevor Goddard (Mic Brumbly) the lawyers explore issues facing today's military personnel. Schedules permitting, many of them plan to be there for you to meet. Meet people behind the cameras - writers, production staff - along with recurring stars and occasional guests too. Participate in panel discussions. Let them tell you how JAG develops from an idea into a one-hour action packed finished product. The autograph sessions, auction, and brunch will give the fans a chance to get to know and talk with the stars who portray their favorite characters. Go to on site locations where it really happens. Jagnik Invasion 2001 will be held October 12 - 15 at the Four Points Sheraton LAX in Los Angeles, CA. Information about the convention can be found at our website, www.JAGnik.com or by calling Barbara Badeaux at (520) 868-1994, or writing JAGnik Association, PO Box 2000, Florence, Arizona 85232-2000. We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited commercial e-mail by providing you with a method for your e-mail address to be permanently removed from our database and any future mailings from our company. To remove your address from our mailing database please click the following link http://www.jagnik.com/remove.asp?address=cypherpunks@toad.com

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Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
by Declan McCullagh 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Jim is appealing. He's off to the Supremes, as I wrote about in June, after the 9th Circuit dissed him: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,44567,00.html Don't recall who's handling it; I'd have to see if I can dig up those papers (and I just had my office repainted, so it's a mess). Robert Leen may be, which would make for an interesting situation, since he'd presumably have to argue that he was an incompetent lawyer -- but I don't remember. -Declan At 10:27 PM 8/25/01 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >So does anyone know who's handling Jim's appeal or is he proceeding in >forma pauperis, or is he declining to appeal? > >DCF > >At 11:41 AM 8/25/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>Two consecutive (not concurrent) sentences, sez the judge yesterday. Jim >>made a statement to the court. Judge agreed with prosecutors' maximum >>penalties (otherwise sentences would have been concurrent). See Wired >>News, probably on Monday, for details. >> >>-Declan

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Re: Anonymous Posting
by A. Melon 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Faustine wrote: > I think you mainly have your bloomers in a bunch because I told your > anonymous ass-kiss toady to get a spine. Why Faustine, you sound jealous! I'm flattered you hold my views in such high regard. I like Tim's posts for several reasons. They are to the point and often cut through nonsense. They usually have new facts or a new way to look at something which makes sense, but which I didn't think of already. And some times they are just entertaining. Most importantly, they don't waste my time. I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one Tim May quality post every day for two weeks.

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Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money
by Jim Windle 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:49:21 Tim May wrote: > > >Well, yes, there are many. I only even _tried_ to list a handful of the >most important folks in just that one field: nuclear. Every field has >its giants. > >And the ones I cited in just the nuclear field were not just scientists, >they were policy advisors. Szilard's soliciting of Einstein to write the >letter to Roosevelt, Einstein's letter, Fermi's policy work in the >1950s, Teller's lobbying for the H-bomb, Oppenheimer and the Manhattan >Project (and later antiwar lobbying), and Von Neumann's powerful >arguments for building up the nuclear arsenal. (VN favored a pre-emptive >nuclear strike on Russia with bombers.) > >The other examples (we could write all day listing such giants) were >certainly scientists, but many had no interest whatsoever in policy. >Kurt Godel, for example. Crick, as another. I don't recall Shannon >having much interest in policy. > Yes, I recognise that you were naming only the giants in a particular, though higly importnat field, who also had interest in "policy". My point was simply that certain ideas are so pwerful that their authors have influence on events whether or not they seek it. And that Washington policy makers must come to terms with those idea, whether or not they like. Jim Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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AdvisorTeam PersonalityZone Newsletter - August 2001
by news＠mailings.advisorteam.com 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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Top Firms Retreat Into Bunker To Ward Off 'Anarchists'
by Matthew Gaylor 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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