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24 Sep '01

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... and the survival of the Western world (fwd)
by Jim Choate 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:49:41 -0300 From: "The terror test..." <DoNotReply(a)catholic.edu.toad.com> To: coderpunks(a)toad.com Subject: ... and the survival of the Western world From: Los Angeles Times.com Forums, Politics, CubDest Editorial, Sept. 24, 2001 THE TERROR TEST AND THE SURVIVAL OF THE WESTERN WORLD --- We are facing an alliance of leftist forces remnants of Communism and radical Moslem movements, in which the dictator Fidel Castro places his expectations. --- The bloody episodes of terror of September 11th, which occurred simultaneously in New York and Washington, could in some ways be interpreted as a huge testing of the North American and world public opinion, at the hands of anti-Christian forces bent on the destruction of the Western World. As pointed out by the German strategist Karl von Clausewitz, the main objective in a war is to eliminate the adversary's will to resist. Following that line of thought, the attack on September 11th proved, in the midst of tragedy, in an uplifting reality for the Western world and undoubtedly uncomfortable for its adversaries: rising above the pain, uncertainty and the irreversible changes in every day life, the majority of the people of North American reacted in the spirit of patriotism and with a determination to resist the enemy, with an intensity difficult to predict after the nature of such attacks. Meanwhile, in Latin America a phenomenon is taking place which causes great apprehension: after the initial horror and consequent solidarity with the victims, the public opinion has suffered a subtle but effective pressure from leftist forces, through the media, to try to blame what happened on the United States, presenting the victims as those which launched the attacks. In an attempt to obtain this unacceptable roll reversal, the same mechanism that has been used so many times to absolve the Communist regime of Cuba by making the exiled Cubans and the United States the aggressors. This the same type of play with words by the left that were used during the 1960's and the 1980's to justify the aggressions in the continent of pro-Castro guerilla forces. Regrettably, there are ecclesiastical voices, independent from their in tentions, that are allowing themselves to be used in that dangerous game. For example, the influential Brazilian Archbishop Mons. Luciano Mendes de Almeida, who served in a prominent position in the Catholic Conference of Brazil and in CELAM, said referring to the attacks of September 11th: "It is because of the extreme amount of poverty and the domination of some countries over others, that things of this nature occur." This type of talk is occurring mainly in Latin America put it can also be heard in Europe and even in the United States, with the collaboration of those mechanisms that protect the so called anti-globalization movements. In the concrete order of the acts which occurred we are in the presence of an alliance between leftist forces remnants of Communism and radical Moslem movements, in which the dictator Fidel Castro places his expectations of survival. All of this brings us to a fundamental theme, in which we have insisted upon an uncountable amount of times, when it comes to the defense of the Western world and the cause of freedom of Cuba: the importance of publicity. In effect, it seems exaggerated to say after having witnessed the destructive capacity of terrorism, but in reality the decisive battle continues to be in the psychological and ideological fields. A type of battle which is capable of destroying man spiritually, all the while maintaining his physical health intact. We decidedly enter into a world where chaos is multiplied by chaos. To learn to survive in that atmosphere means not accepting it as something natural but instead each time we need to prepare ourselves to have more will to resist and more of a vigilant spirit. Without a doubt, the results of the test of terror where not totally favorable for the anti-Christian forces. But it is also true that we have before us an arduous path, full of traps and things that are unforeseen. Let us learn necessary lessons for the cause of freedom. Far from the vicissitude of the present time and future circumstances, the promise of the Most Holly Virgin in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, which is undoubtedly a motive for bright hope: "At last, my Immaculate Heart will triumph". IMPORTANT: To ask for more info, please, click in mailto:monitor@americamail.com?Subject=MoreInfo To send your valuable opinion, click in mailto:monitor@americamail.com?Subject=MyOpinion To unsubscribe, click in mailto:monitor@americamail.com?Subject=Unsubscribe To add friends to our Address Book, with their previous consent, please click in mailto:monitor@americamail.com?Subject=Subscribe and add their e-mails in the body of the message. Thanks in advance!

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Re: [silk] Re: Avoid hard targets tomorrow (fwd)
by auto301094＠hushmail.com 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: >indians and pakistanis don't worry about nuclear war because we know that >the nuclear tests were for attention - india has had the Bomb since 1974, and >pakistan has been known to have it for a decade. india carried out the tests >because it felt the us was ignoring india (media coverage of "asia" typically >limited itself to east asia) and wanted more attention. obviously pakistan had >to show that it was as good as its neighbour. that's it. Interesting, but where are you getting this? It's not my area, but I think you're a being little optimistic--the only nuclear scientist I ever met who was involved with the Indian tests struck me as being a real honest-to- god pakistan-bashing hawk. Oh well, there's science and then there's strategy... Here's a great pdf on the latter if anyone is interested: India's Emerging Nuclear Posture: Between Recessed Deterrent and Ready Arsenal Ashley J. Tellis http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1127/ And a quick summary: On May 11, 1998, after a hiatus of more than two decades, India conducted a series of nuclear tests that signaled a critical shift in its strategic thinking. Once content to embrace a nuclear posture consisting largely of "maintaining the option"--i.e., neither creating a nuclear arsenal nor renouncing its right to do so--India is now on the threshold of adopting a posture that, while stopping short of creating a ready arsenal, will take as its goal the establishment of a "minimum but credible deterrent," known as a "force-in-being." This book examines the forces--political, strategic, technological, and ideational--that led to this dramatic policy shift and describes how New Delhi's force-in-being will be fashioned, particularly in light of the threat India faces from its two most salient adversaries, China and Pakistan. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjuv6z0YHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P 82UAniQkaFMJFbGsvqbJOtOCOy3YLQVvAKCgI0Nztd9mSUJM5iMA1YWC626rrg== =yEKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CIA/DoD NBC biowarfare handbooks and resources
by auto301094＠hushmail.com 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Master Site: http://www.nbc-med.org/ Medical Online NBC Information Server Don't miss their online video tutorials and training courses! Fascinating stuff. Good reading... Medical Management Of Biological Casualties Handbook Fourth Edition, February 2001 U.S. Army Medical Reseach Institute of Infectious Diseases http://www.nbc-med.org/SiteContent/HomePage/WhatsNew/MedManual/Feb01/handbo… The Blue Book Appx A: Glossary of Medical Terms Appx B: Patient Isolation Precautions Appx C: BW Agent Characteristics Appx D: BW Agent Vaccines, Therapeutics and Prophylactics Appx E: Medical Sample Collection for BW Agents Appx F: Specimens for Laboratory Diagnosis Appx G: BW Agent Laboratory Identification Appx H: Differential Diagnosis - Toxins vs. Nerve Agents Appx I: Comparative Lethality - Toxins vs. Chemical Agents Appx J: Aerosol Toxicity Appx K: References and Emergency Response Contacts Medical Management of Radiological Casualties Handbook http://www.afrri.usuhs.mil/www/outreach/pdf/radiologicalhandbooksp99-2.pdf Information Paper: DoD Biological Warfare Threat Analysis http://www.defenselink.mil/other_info/threat.html Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions 1 July Through 31 December 1999 http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/bian/bian_aug2000.htm Medical NBC Briefing Series: Medical NBC Aspects of Influenza http://www.nbc-med.org/SiteContent/MedRef/Briefings/7influenza/sld001.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjuv4okYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P yJsAoJCNsY6s4XTt99Fp7kO6m2zmeDAdAJ97JG6Mx3baIQGCSPlxcKEKIzsSSw== =ZUBj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Extraterritorial surveillance.
by Aimee Farr 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

George: > On 24 Sep 2001, at 17:49, Robert wrote: > > It is not a crime for an agency of another country to eavesdrop > on you as > > long as they are physically located outside the U.S. Similarly, > it is not > > illegal for a US agency to intercept messages in another > country, as long as > > they do it from outside the that country. > > > > You're on crack. The anti-eavsdropping laws don't have > exemptions for agents of foreign governments, the suggestion is > absurd. Electronic surveillance occurring outside the territorial U.S. is not regulated by Title III or state surveillance statutes. The Fourth Amendment is implicated if American officers are the instigators. If there is U.S. involvement, the Fourth will be violated if the surveillance violated the law of the foreign jurisdiction. [1] The catch, as always, is the suppression remedy. (Note that Congress did not give a suppression remedy for electronic communications.) With regard to foreign surveillance, the justification has been that suppression does not serve a deterrent to foreign actors. (What they fail to consider, is that this cooperation is prone to abuse, especially in regard to economic espionage. Foreign intelligence agencies service their own agendas, and these agendas are increasingly tied to private interests. It's a legitimacy blanket for blackmail, source recruitment, infiltration and so on....) If the U.S. liaisons acted in good faith reliance as to the foreign operation, they are entitled to the good faith exception. If it's a silver plate service, without involvement, you can use in it prosecution. [2] The general rule is that it has to "shock" the judicial conscience to be excluded, or "Taunt Happy-Fun Court" in cypherpunk lingo. For domestic group surveillance related to national security interests, see United Sates v. United States District Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972), http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/name.htm [construing 2511(3)in 1972; pre-FISA] (Title III did not reach national security surveillance, and the President could not conduct warrantless surveillance against exclusively domestic organizations). The same arguments are being made today. Surveillance law in the United States is the study of the backbone of the judiciary, bent by the ignorance of congress, due to the machinations of the executive branch. ~Aimee [1] See United States v. Barona, 56 F.3d 1087, 1091 (9th Cir. 1995); United States v. Peterson, 812 F.2d 486, 491 (9th Cir. 1987); United States v. Phillips, 1979 WL 1505 *16 (M.D.Fla.). But see United States v. Andreas, 1998 WL 42261, *3, (N.D. Ill.), aff'd, 216 F.3d 645, 660-661 (7th Cir. 2000). *Administration* analysis @ http://www.cdt.org/security/010919terror.pdf on the proposed Section 105 Use of Wiretap Information From Foreign Governments: "Under current case law, federal prosecutors appear to have the ability to use electronic surveillance conducted by foreign governments in criminal proceedings. As criminal law enforcement becomes more of a global effort, such information will come to play a larger role in federal prosecutions. To ensure uniformity of federal practice, this section codifies the principle that United States prosecutors may use against American citizens information collected by a foreign government even if the collection would have violated the Fourth Amendment. Under the proposal, such information may not be used if it was obtained with the knowing participation" or at the direction of American law enforcement personnel, if gathered in violation of constitutional protections." [2] See United States v. Mature, 982 F.2d. 57, 61 (2nd Cir. 1992). See also, (short cites)... Mitro, 880 F.2d 1480; DeLaplane, 778 F.2d 570; Maher, 645 F.2d 780; Derewal, 703 F. Supp. 372 (supplying tip does not rise to the level of "involvement").

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Re: Democracy is our enemy
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

At 04:58 PM 9/24/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 03:08 PM, Thomas Leavitt wrote: >>I'm tired of hearing my fellow Americans referred to as cowards, weaklings, sheep, ignorant, easily mislead - this is a profoundly undemocratic sentiment, the same kind of crap spewed by totalitarian and authoritarian types from the far left and the far right as justification for abandonment of the democratic process and the use of force to impose their ideology on the rest of us. >We are not for "democracy." Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. We are not a democracy, but a repubic (pun intended). The primary responsibility of our elected officials is to protect the minorities from the majority and to preserve protect and defend the constitution. Many representatives clearly show they have at best a poor understanding of the Constitution, the words and intentions of the framers. Some even show disdain for it. How many Congressmen do you think ever read Thomas Paine's works? >Crypto anarchy is about undermining democracy, causing the house of cards to collapse. >>I refuse to give up on our way of life, my fellow citizens, or to write off my government as completely and irredemably lost. >You are welcome to "refuse to give up on our way of life." Many others over the centuries have similarly refused to give up on royalism...I hear there are even clubs where people pretend to be various archdukes and viscounts, and even fan clubs for the grandchildren of royals deposed 75 years ago. >Maybe there will be fan clubs for "democracy supporters." Maybe they will even launch little wars agains the royalists. >Democracy will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. I hope representative government is not.

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500 lb laser guided respect for your culture
by Subcommander Bob 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

At 09:46 PM 9/22/01 -0700, pseudolicious wrote: >GOVERNMENT TRIPPING OVER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC=BY SARAH LUBMAN >SJMercury News >For the second time in less than a week, the U.S. government had damage control to do because of its religion-infused rhetoric. The Pentagon on Thursday backed away from the code name for its anti-terrorist offensive, ``Operation Infinite Justice,'' for fear of offending Muslims. Heh, right now you could sell a lot of those (since withdrawn) Nikes with Allah's name accidentally in the tread. At least in the Homeland (tm) they'd sell. .... There's hardly enough lube-groove on a .223 round to hold enough pig-grease to make a difference... Maybe SpecOps gets hollowpoints...

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Internment Camps for Political Dissidents
by Eric Cordian 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

I wonder how many people on this list would qualify as "sympathetic to terrorist causes," a very vague phrase which could mean almost anything. >From www.newsday.com ----- By MARC HUMBERT Associated Press Writer September 24, 2001 ALBANY, N.Y. -- One third of New Yorkers favor establishing internment camps for "individuals who authorities identify as being sympathetic to terrorist causes," according to a poll from the Siena College Research Institute. ... -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: FC: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

>>----- Forwarded Message ----- >> >From: Someone >> >> >> >>Working to keep our neighbors awake and informed is our best hope, in my >> >>view - that is the only way democracy will ever work. >> > >> >Historically this has often failed (e.g., the lack of outcry against >>Japanese internment camps). Neighboors are willing to sell their liberty >>and their neighbors at the drop of a hat if someone in government promises >>them greater security, even though these same liars failed them time and >>time again. >> > >> >Since the New Deal Americans and corporations have become increasingly >>reliant on government to provide for them, shield them from their own poor >>judgement and folly and transfer the responsibility to the rest of us. >>(Citizens of a like mind should structure upcoming tax filings to deduct >>Congress' largess to the airlines and others). We cannot depend on these >>cowards and weaklings. >> > >> >You'll notice that no Declaration of War was formally given. Even so >>Congress has moved to curtail civil liberties. From my perspective both >>life and liberty are equally dear. Those that attempt to take either I >>will treat the same. >> > >> >Its time to water the tree... > >I'm tired of hearing my fellow Americans referred to as cowards, weaklings, >sheep, ignorant, easily mislead - this is a profoundly undemocratic >sentiment, the same kind of crap spewed by totalitarian and authoritarian >types from the far left and the far right as justification for abandonment >of the democratic process and the use of force to impose their ideology on >the rest of us. > >It is the cry of someone unwilling to do the hard work of actually speaking >to their fellow and convincing them of the rightness of the cause being >professed; the frustrated rant of someone who is convinced he or she has >"The Truth" on their side - the same opinion shared by Timothy McVeigh, Osma >Bin Ladin, and folks of a similar ilk. I wish I had a penny for every such conversation regarding this topic I've had. > >I won't deny that I think our government is unduly influenced by factions >(from certain labor unions to untold numbers of corporations) with financial >and other interests at stake, but my answer is to become a more dedicated >citizen, to work harder to educate my fellow citizens and elected >representatives about what I think is right and just. I wish I shared your hopeful attitude. Earlier in our country's history, when the public educational system was functioning a bit better, the average citizen had a broader perspective and a firsthand knowledge of the Constitution. Since the '60s the public system has all but failed subsequent generations leaving most ignorant and uninterested about how we got to where we are today, and easily propaganized. I've spent a considerable amount of time with those younger than 30 and its freightening how few (except for the radicals and a few lawyers) have ever read the founder's documents. Democracy only works when a citizenry is well informed. So what do you do now that you've got a generation of rubes? The political structure has almost precluded representation by those with minority views. The Republicrats are little more than two underworld gangs fighting over turf (us and our taxes) while we only get to flip a coin to determine who sticks it to us. How do you convince them that their leaders have been increasingly operating outside the intentions of the framers by ignoring and "re-interpreting" the Constitution to accomodate popular political sentement or accomodate powerful forces often with hidden agendas? > >I encourage everyone to read this book - it says more about the strengths >and weaknesses of this country (and more importantly, the "cowards" and >"weaklings" who make it work) than anything I've ever read. It is written by >an Arab-American and a profound patriot, someone whose life represents the >American dream in all it's glory and gore. > >America, More Than a Country >by Salom Rizk Thanks, I'll look into it. I'd like to return the favor, Thomas. I suggest reading "The Sovereign Individual : Mastering the Transition to the Information Age." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684832720/o/qid%3D970264502/sr%3D2-… In The Sovereign Individual, Davidson and Rees-Mogg explore the greatest economic and political transition in centuries -- the shift from an industrial to an information-based society. Although somewhat repetitve, they raise some compelling arguments about what techo-geo-political factors have shaped governemnt and society and what current and anticipated factors will shape it yet again. Specifically that "the economic return on violence," which is mainly tied to technology, is the most important long term influence on geopolitics. Their prediction is that nation states will be reduced significantly in global influence by the combination of the Internet (especially anonymous digital money) and the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons in the hands of smaller nation states, idiological groups and even individuals. Their premise is that all governments have an implicit or explicit covenant that if citizens agree to be taxed and bound by its laws, they will protect them from harm (both foreign and domestic). If these nations cannot deliver on this basic promise, and the authors they say that's not likely without police state authority, then many wealthier individuals (esp. those who's income and assets are Internet-based and cannot be easily liened) will become state-less and go to wherever they feel safe and free. The masses will left to fight over the crumbs.

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Re: Selected quotes from Keyser-Soze
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Although I'm not into anthropomorphics I'd guess my sign would be either mongoose (fast and perisistent and loves to kill snakes) or weasel (agile, sly, cunning and sneaky and loves to kill rats)

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