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internment camps for political dissidents
by mattd 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

In the austrian mathausen quarry/concentration camp,I read that some politicals were quite upset when their red triangles started fading to pink! As the place was a punishment camp for auswichtz(!)Im really surprised they found the time. Are you sure its too late for operation soft drill?

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Cash Prizes Win!!
by Rachel 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

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Re: Democracy is our enemy
by Thomas Leavitt 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Thank you for replying. Yes, the ignorance of our representatives is sometimes frightening - I think a remedial course in civics, American history, and basic constitutional law should be mandatory for all elected officials at every level... and yet, the system as a whole continues to function, at some level, and I can't say I'd prefer to live anywhere else. There is a element that folks like the gentleman you respond to below ,have which reminds me of the more arrogant and self-righteous of the folks who surrounded me in college: "The system is bad, straight through, therefore we must tear it down completely, and rebuild it." They want a nice clean tabula rasa, nothing so dirty and complicated as an actual system inhabited by real live human beings who refuse to behave in the way they should. And they are focused on destroying the "bad" system, with very little idea of what would be erected in it's place, much less any thought as to what messy process might have to be gone through to come up with a new one that is acceptable to the people made to inhabit it. As for condemning democracy to the "dustbin of history", well we know what happened the last time someone did this: Dustbin of History, the A handy phrase made famous by Leon Trotsky. The Second Congress of Soviets was being held in Petrograd when news of Bolshevik seizure of power was announced on 25 October (7 November, New Style) 1917. With this decisive turn of events, the Mensheviks and other left groups decided not to participate in the Congress, and as they were leaving the room where the Congress was being held, Trotsky taunted them by proclaiming -- truthfully, as it turned out -- that they were well on their way into the dustbin of history. http://www.voiceoftheturtle.org/dictionary/dict_d1.shtml#dustbin Personally, I'd rather avoid a repetition of the resulting socio-historical disaster. Regards, Thomas Leavitt -- Thomas Leavitt -- thomasleavitt(a)hotmail.com; ICQ #16455919 http://www.internetmanifesto.org/ http://www.sczenkarate.org/ http://www.space.org/ http://www.gnosis.org/ Wired since 1981. Internet enabled since 1990. Web enabled since 1993. >From: keyser-soze(a)hushmail.com >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >CC: "\\" Thomas Leavitt\ "" <thomasleavitt(a)hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: Democracy is our enemy >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:46:44 +0000 > >At 04:58 PM 9/24/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: >On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 03:08 PM, Thomas Leavitt wrote: > >>I'm tired of hearing my fellow Americans referred to as cowards, >weaklings, sheep, ignorant, easily mislead - this is a profoundly >undemocratic sentiment, the same kind of crap spewed by totalitarian and >authoritarian types from the far left and the far right as justification >for abandonment of the democratic process and the use of force to impose >their ideology on the rest of us. > > >We are not for "democracy." Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on >what's for dinner. > >We are not a democracy, but a repubic (pun intended). The primary >responsibility of our elected officials is to protect the minorities from >the majority and to preserve protect and defend the constitution. Many >representatives clearly show they have at best a poor understanding of the >Constitution, the words and intentions of the framers. Some even show >disdain for it. How many Congressmen do you think ever read Thomas Paine's >works? > > > >Crypto anarchy is about undermining democracy, causing the house of cards >to collapse. > > > >>I refuse to give up on our way of life, my fellow citizens, or to write >off my government as completely and irredemably lost. > > >You are welcome to "refuse to give up on our way of life." Many others >over the centuries have similarly refused to give up on royalism...I hear >there are even clubs where people pretend to be various archdukes and >viscounts, and even fan clubs for the grandchildren of royals deposed 75 >years ago. > > >Maybe there will be fan clubs for "democracy supporters." Maybe they will >even launch little wars agains the royalists. > > >Democracy will soon be consigned to the dustbin of history. > >I hope representative government is not. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Cash Prizes Win!!
by Rachel 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

To all our Fans!! Welsh Fantasy Soccer Has paid your entrance fee to the WELSH FANTASY FOOTBALL GAME 2001 Go to Welshfantasyfootball.com to register a free team now!! You have got to be in it to WIN!!

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Re: Fw: Big BIG trouble
by Steve Thompson 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Quoting Elyn Wollensky (elyn(a)consect.com) > > Most of the terrorism offenses are violent crimes, or crimes > > involving chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. But the list also > > includes the provisions of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act that make > > it illegal to crack a computer for the purpose of obtaining anything > > of value, or to deliberately cause damage. Likewise, launching a > > malicious program that harms a system, like a virus, or making an > > extortionate threat to damage a computer are included in the > > definition of terrorism. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Regards, Steve -- Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.

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Fwd: FW: there is no Keyser Soze
by Bill Stewart 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

> >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:13:47 -0700 > >Subject: there is no Keyser Soze > >From: Faisal Jawdat <faisal(a)faisal.com> > >To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu > > > > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001320012-2001330486,00.html > > > > Article too long for me to meaningfully excerpt from. > > It essentially says that terrorists we've caught are > > not who we thought they are, and it implies that the > > deception is apparently much wider and deeper than > > just some FBI fumbling with mistaken identity. > > > > -faisal > > > > > >For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/

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re: [texas-hpr] ATF letter (fwd)
by citizenQ 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

BATF planted that post as a troll so then they could peek at the IP of anybody hitting that URL, knowing they came from rocketry-texas-hpr(a)yahoogroups.com >To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> >Cc: sci-tech(a)einstein.ssz.com, The Club Inferno <hell(a)einstein.ssz.com>, > cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com >Subject: Re: [texas-hpr] ATF letter (fwd) > >Not Found >The requested URL was not found on this server. >Please check the filename requested and/or the link that you followed.

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hono2000coverlet
by R.N.Yadav 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

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[texas-hpr] ATF letter (fwd)
by Jim Choate 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:20:32 -0000 From: chuck_webb001(a)yahoo.com Reply-To: rocketry-texas-hpr(a)yahoogroups.com To: rocketry-texas-hpr(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [texas-hpr] ATF letter May be worth checking this out....not that anyone hasen't already.. http://www.atf.treas.gov/press/fy01press/09190/notice.htm Chuck ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/PMYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Re: Democracy is our enemy
by Anonymous User 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

----- Original Message ----- From: "Anonymous" <nobody(a)hyperreal.pl> To: <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Democracy is our enemy ... > Putting it starkly, who is more evil: John Ashcroft or Mohammed > Atta? I only vote on homepages. > Is it possible that certain cypherpunks find themselves on the same > side as bin Laden and his fundamentalist killers? Do they secretly > support this murderous attacks on innocent civilians? Do you masturbate at work? Which female/male do you think about during those activities? >We now face biological and > chemical attacks, which are supposed to be even more "cruel and > shocking" than the WTC attacks. Are these cypherpunks in favor of > seeing more Americans killed by terrorist actions? Some people want to see dead people even though that could cause shock to face. Believe it or not, Americans want to see Dead Terrorists*. *insert all names of people americans* have wanted to see dead. *not necessarily you. - This is not justification for death. I don't believe in justice per se. > > The philosophical connection becomes even clearer with the frequent > statements by cypherpunks that those who disagree "need killing", > that blood must be shed by those of different political views. In > effect this is a call for a Cypherpunk Jihad (the word is often > translated as "holy war", but "justified struggle" is as valid a > translation). It is no different for Tim May to call for the > extinction of his enemies than for Usama bin Laden to do so. You're trying to censor us by applying your world morals on us. Say, make it law - be bold, please. > Cypherpunks need to take a hard look at themselves. Anyone who > feels horror and disgust at the terrorist acts should recognize > that the same sentiments are found here, just below the surface. > The thinly veiled threats of bloodshed are based on the same > philosophy of violent hatred and contempt for others which > motivates the terrorists. A big no no. Words do not kill. Only People or Guns kill People. Posers use words. We are Posers. Why be a moral poser? Do we have to succumb to your political Bullshit Jay Leno Far Edge Funniness Once in a while or can you let us exist in this high vibration of satanic flow? Your Eden, The Earth may not represent us, but why recognize it if we can't see it. > > Tim May and Usama bin Laden are now revealed as philosophical > cousins. It is becoming harder and harder to tell them apart. My name is Legion, for we are many

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