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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
by A. Melon 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 measl(a)mfn.org wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Anonymous User wrote: > > > > At the risk of being told to go google (which I guess I'll do in a > > > moment), does anyone have any information either contrary to this, or > > > possibly of another "truth serum" that would fit the stated bill? > > > > Methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine. > > I have never heard of MDMA in this context before. > > A quick google does not produce meaningful citations either :-( Any > pointers to research? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22truth+drug%22 Turns up a lot of info on the various substances that have been tried as "truth drugs." The first hit is about MDMA: http://www.idmu.co.uk/xtruth.html I seem to recall that MDA (very similar to MDMA) was in fact used in US Army studies of truth drugs. The most likely to have some measure of sucess would probably be MDMA. However, no chemical is likely to be found that forces a subject to tell the truth. The most successful "truth drugs" all generally work on the same idea: if you can make your subject more relaxed, at ease, and eager to talk, you'll be able to extract more information from him and possibly extrapolate the truth from that. MDMA would have a greater degree of success in cases where the subject subconsciously wanted to talk anyway.

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Fair Warning
by sonofgomez709 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

The LEA's who accompanied my Parole Officer on her visit to my residence today performed an illegal search of the room of another resident of the house in which I live. Given the fact that the visit was a result of LEA monitoring of the CPUNX list, list members should be aware that their participation in the list may expose them to similar illegal intrusions by government agents. However, those with the financial resources to defend their constitutional rights and civil liberties probably do not need to be overly worried, since, in all likelihood, the LEA's illegal trampling on my neighbor's constitutional rights was simply a matter of their perception that somebody living in a low-rent shithole would not be in a position to cause them any grief over their illegal actions. Have A Nazi Day, CJ Parker <sonofgomez709(a)yahoo.com> http://profiles.yahoo.com/sonofgomez709 http://www.technopagan.org/politics/xenix/ http://members.w-link.net/~sog/INDEX.HTM http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm

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by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"
by Xeni Jardin 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

Forwarding a post from the pho digital music list (end of this message). A Newsforge item that also appeared about this today reads: "--Disney Channel cartoon portrays music downloads as evil The Disney Channel cartoon series The Proud Family (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/zoogdisney/shows/proudfamily/index_main.… ) aired an episode on Oct. 5 entitled EZ Jackster. In the storyline, EZ Jackster is a Napster-like site, and the show's little heroines get addicted to the service and play a part in the downfall of the music industry. Disney is one of the backers of the SSSCA proposed legislation that is scheduled for a hearing before Congress Oct. 25. <http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/22/1636242&mode=thread The TV summary site, TV Tome, shows this synopsis of the episode in question: "After Penny spends $125 on CDs with her five-cent salary, she meets a boy, Mega, who tells her about a napster-like website he made called EZ Jackster. All weekend she was sitting at the computer, downloading music from EZ Jackster. Finally, Dijonay comes over and asks what she was doing over the weekend. Penny asks Dijonay if she can keep a secret, knowing that she can't. Penny tells Dijonay to tell everyone she knows about EZ Jackster. Her telling everybody about EZ Jackster has a ripple-effect all around the world. From India to Africa to Suga Mama! But rap singer, Sir Paid-A-Lot is threatened by this because he got a five-cents salary instead of his million-dollar salary. But suddenly, after wrestling, the news interrupted the next program telling about EZ Jackster. It shows a house of where the EZ Jackster-spreader lives. Oscar comments how ugly the house is, not realizing it was their house. Trudy is mad at Penny for stealing music so she takes away her computer. Later, Penny gets a call from Mega, asking if she is still using EZ Jackster. Will Penny listen to her parents?"--" [BEGIN PHO POST] -----Original Message----- From: PHO Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: pho: Tonight on Disney Well Pho Pholks Lara Lavi here from Very Juicy Records I relay this without passing judgement just sharing with you what I just saw this evening. I turn on the TV with my little 2.5 year old to watch some Disney show about an African American teen girl (The Proud Family - animated show) and here is the story line ( I think I missed the first couple scenes but here is the general jist. 1. Girl working at her antiquated computer her dad gave her in her room. 2. Mystery guy (cool hip hop looking dude in black) shows up at her window and supplies her with an up to date computer, takes her into "the Matrix and shows her a web area called Free Jackster where she can get all the music she could ever want FOR FREE, 3. The girl asks if this is illegal and mystery guy explains it is our birthright to have free music, creativity should not have a price 4. Girl gets addicted to collecting free music, her obsession leads to telling all her friends. soon the site is getting millions of hits from kids to grandmothers. 5. Next scene at the The Wizard Record Label board room where "Sir Paid Alot" enters to complain his royalty check was only five cents. This alerts The Wizard (head of the label) that there is a retail problem he needs to look into. 6. Teen Girl's house is surrounded that night by police and press and she is arrested for illegal downloads, gets a warning,. The news makes it clear that millions of people can;'t be stopped, Parents take computer away from girl and explain why free downloads is STEALING. - kind of an abirdged explanation of how copyrights work. 6. Next scene, Asian Guy's retail record store is empty, guy is crying on the floor. Teen Girl who happens to work at the store show up to work, aisian guy fires her for supporting all the free downloads 7. Next scene charts showing record sales are down down down to nothing because people get the music for free 8. Mystery guy shows up at teen girls' window again to try and convince her to go back to downloading but she says NO 7. Guy: "You still downloading?", Teen Girl: DOwnloading is stealin" Mr. Guy from Free Jackster: " I know you are afraid I am trying to show you a world without rules" Teen girl says no its wrong GOODBYE THE END [END PHO POST]

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Dam security
by Neil Johnson 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

I wonder what kind of security they have at the Old River Control Structure (ORCS) ? Background: The ORCS was built by the Corps in the 1960's to prevent the Mississippi from changing its path from the route that goes through New Orleans to a more direct route via the Atchafalaya River ( a route that is 170 miles shorter than it's current path). If the river did change course, It would destroy a large wildlife sanctuary and would eventually leave New Orleans and Baton Rouge without fresh water, not to mention economic impact it would have. http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/course.htm It was almost destroyed during the massive floods of 1973 by scouring (basically the the river undermining the foundation of the structure). http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/flood1973.htm The Corp has since reinforced the structure and built a additional structures to control the flow. http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/repairs.htm See: http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/oldriver.htm - Neil M. Johnson mailto:njohnsn@iowatelecom.net

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THE "CHICAGO" VERSION OF "SVEJK" RULES!
by Zenny K. Sadlon 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

The Oregonian, December 24, 2000 Sadlon and Joyce's new translation is so joyful and audacious in its headlong hurtle through Hasek's story that it deserves to become the standard English version. ISBN: 1585004286 distributed by Ingram Click www.zenny.com or the cover art of the paperback to read the introduction, 1st chapter, and much more . . . The critically acclaimed new translation of the most famous, popular, and reviled Czech book, found on many 100 Best Books of the 20th Century lists, including that of the New York Public Library, is Jaroslav Hašek's The Fateful Adventures of the Good Soldier Švejk During the World War, Book One. The Chicago Tribune, August 9, 2000 'Svejk,' a biting anti-war tale of a survival-bent Everyman, gets an English retelling that captures the charm of the original Czech novel. isyndicate.com, July 19, 2000 The resurrection of the Good Soldier Svejk. New translation brings classic comedy to life. . . the diction . . . flows naturally . . . is a "must read". January 2, 2001 "I must say that I am ecstatic about your new translation of Švejk. I was entertained in the same degree (and in the same spots) as by the Czech original. In addition, this new translation also preserves the rhythm of the sentences, their overall sense and spirit. That is all which the old translation lacks in a catastrophic measure. The old translation is awkward to a, as we say in Czech, "break-neck" degree, unreadable, and for the common reader hard to understand. I think that the old translation should have never appeared in the book marketplace - alas, it happened. As a native Czech I can tell you that the author of the previous translation (perhaps due to his intellectualism) did not get what Hašek’s novel is about at all. His language is the language of high society evening parties - while Hašek’s Švejk speaks with the tongue of public houses in the fourth [i.e., grade D, the cheapest] price category. I am convinced that thanks to this new translation the resurrection and the rediscovery of this never-to-die book for and by millions and millions of readers in Anglophone countries is taking place indeed." Zdenek Smrcka, M.D. Information specialist / Librarian Medical Library and Information Department, 2nd Medical School, Charles University Praha, Czech Republic Zenny K. Sadlon KSL(a)zenny.com Get "svejked" at www.zenny.com !

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re: Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

>"--Disney Channel cartoon portrays music downloads as evil The Disney Channel cartoon series The Proud Family (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/zoogdisney/shows/proudfamily/index_main.… an episode on Oct. 5 entitled EZ Jackster. In the storyline, EZ Jackster is a Napster-like site, and the show's little heroines get addicted to the service and play a part in the downfall of the music industry. Disney is one of the backers of the SSSCA proposed legislation that is scheduled for a hearing before Congress Oct. 25. <http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/22/1636242&mode=thread If someone had the presence of mind to capture this to .mpg and post it on one of the popular P2P sites it could make for a good laugh when it gets reworked to have a more plausible ending.

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FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
by AARG! Anonymous 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

[A whipping-boys-for-legible-content repost.] http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001350021-2001364909,00.html MONDAY OCTOBER 22 2001 FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from jailed suspected members of Osama bin Ladens al-Qaeda network, according to a report yesterday. More than 150 people who were picked up after September 11 remain in custody, with four men the focus of particularly intense scrutiny. But investigators have found the usual methods have failed to persuade any of them to talk. Options being weighed include truth drugs, pressure tactics and extraditing the suspects to countries whose security services are more used to employing a heavy-handed approach during interrogations. Were into this thing for 35 days and nobody is talking. Frustration has begun to appear, a senior FBI official told The Washington Post. Under US law, evidence extracted using physical pressure or torture is inadmissible in court and interrogators could also face criminal charges for employing such methods. However, investigators suggested that the time might soon come when a truth serum, such as sodium pentothal, would be deemed an acceptable tool for interrogators. The public pressure for results in the war on terrorism might also persuade the FBI to encourage the countries of suspects to seek their extradition, in the knowledge that they could be given a much rougher reception in jails back home. One of the four key suspects is Zacarias Moussaoui, a French Moroccan, suspected of being a twentieth hijacker who failed to make it on board the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Moussaoui was detained after he acted suspiciously at a Minnesota flying school, requesting lessons in how to steer a plane but not how to take off or land. Both Morocco and France are regarded as having harsher interrogation methods than the United States. The investigators have been disappointed that the usual incentives to break suspects, such as promises of shorter sentences, money, jobs and new lives in the witness protection programme, have failed to break the silence. We are known for humanitarian treatment, so basically we are stuck. Usually there is some incentive, some angle to play, what you can do for them. But it could get to that spot where we could go to pressure . . . where we dont have a choice, and we are probably getting there, an FBI agent involved in the investigation told the paper. The other key suspects being held in New York are Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan, Indians who were caught the day after the attacks travelling with false passports, craft knives such as those used in the hijackings and hair dye. Nabil Almarabh, a Boston taxi driver alleged to have links to al-Qaeda, is also being held. Some legal experts believe that the US Supreme Court, which has a conservative tilt, might be prepared to support curtailing the civil liberties of prisoners in terrorism cases. However, a warning that torture should be avoided came from Robert Blitzer, a former head of the FBIs counter-terrorism section. He said that the practice goes against every grain in my body. Chances are you are going to get the wrong person and risk damage or killing them. In all, about 800 people have been rounded up since the attacks, most of whom are expected to be found to be innocent. Investigators believe there could be hundreds of people linked to al-Qaeda living in the US, and the Bush Administration has issued a warning that more attacks are probably being planned. Newsweek magazine reports today that Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, had been looking into hitting an aircraft carrier. Investigators retracing his movements found that he visited the huge US Navy base at Norfolk, Virginia, in February and April this year. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.

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