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28 Oct '01

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Gloat on the Phone - Go to Jail
by Eric Cordian 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Here's an intersting Reuters blurb on arrests made because people failed to grieve properly on their phone lines. It doesn't say how many of these intercepts were with warrants, how many were secret court/national security intercepts, how many were illegal, and how many were routed offshore to be sniffed by our allies. Interesting times. ----- NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Among almost 1,000 people being held in the United States in connection with the hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are people who made congratulatory telephone calls minutes later, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions. Although transcripts of the phone calls have not been made available, the Times reports that officials have said some of the calls were "congratulatory, even gloating." These suspected associates of Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization are among 977 people held on various charges related to the September 11 attacks, which killed almost 5,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. The paper said it had been unable to determine whether those who made the jubilant calls were participants in the hijack plot or merely rejoicing over the attacks. FBI agents intercepted telephone calls, moved in and made arrests, holding the bulk of those arrested on immigration or criminal violations and a smaller group on material witness warrants, the newspaper reported. Their identities and those of most of the people being held have not been released by the Justice Department. The newspaper said officials would not say how many people were detained through the telephone intercepts, nor would they discuss evidence that any of them proved to be members of the group organized by bin Laden, Washington's prime suspect in the attacks. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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28 Oct '01

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28 Oct '01

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Now we know why those 1000 are being held in NYC
by measl＠mfn.org 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

--------------------- BEGIN CUT AND PASTE -------------------------- http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/28/inv.attacks.calls.reut/index.html NEW YORK(Reuters) -- Among almost 1,000 people being held in the United States in connection with the hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are people who made congratulatory telephone calls minutes later, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions. Although transcripts of the phone calls have not been made available, the Times reports that officials have said some of the calls were "congratulatory, even gloating." These suspected associates of Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization are among 977 people held on various charges related to the September 11 attacks, which killed almost 5,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. The paper said it had been unable to determine whether those who made the jubilant calls were participants in the hijack plot or merely rejoicing over the attacks. FBI agents intercepted telephone calls, moved in and made arrests, holding the bulk of those arrested on immigration or criminal violations and a smaller group on material witness warrants, the newspaper reported. Their identities and those of most of the people being held have not been released by the Justice Department. The newspaper said officials would not say how many people were detained through the telephone intercepts, nor would they discuss evidence that any of them proved to be members of the group organized by bin Laden, Washington's prime suspect in the attacks. ------------------------- END CUT AND PASTE ___________________________ The obvious questions that come to mind are (1) How is it that the FBI was listening in on the calls of a thousand people at that time, and, (2) with this story in hand, how many of these poor victims will try to assert their [obviously violated] 1st A rights? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Criticize Israel - Get Fired
by Mark Saarelainen 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Actually, Jews are actively using the electromagnetic frequency systems of the U.S. government and intrelligence agencies to attack remotely individuals who criticize them or who may think against them in one way or another. I have written more about this on alt.politics.org.cia. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hain+jews+Markku Markku J. Saarelainen Autor:Mark (mjsone(a)ureach.com) Asunto:Interesting .. in September, 1999 I wrote down correctly that the head of Jews is in Estee Lauder, although I did not know it ... this "hain" means "finality in Hebrew ... I started getting these understandings, when ... Grupos de noticias:alt.politics.org.cia, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.nordic, soc.culture.usa View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Fecha:2001-10-26 17:36:45 PST I had communicated to my own voicemail box at BellSouth "There are too many Jews in the White House." and I had said "Play this music to your grandparents" (I played loudly some 3rd Reich songs .. so I must conclude that Jews attacked me started from the summer of 1999 after I had told to the Kremlin and on the USENET that Boris Berezovsky and other Jews must be fired etc ... Madeleine Albright was involved against me as I correctly noted in my notes earlier (they used the word insertation technique (basically word were placed to the phone conversation between me and my seperated spouse on December 15, 1999 as I have noted ..) They tried to kill me ... really KILL ME ... how interesting ... so the U.S. government with Jews destroyed my family and stole my moneys .. from the ordinary Finn. ------ A Medrash. Hashem said to Moshe "Hain Kirvu Yamecho Lamus". Your time has come. The end of your life is here. The Hebrew word 'Hain', the commentaries explain, implies finality. Hashem told Moshe, "You have been praying, arguing and negotiating with me to extend your life. It is not going to happen. The conversation is closed. The decision is in. "Hain!" Your time has come. You will not live to enter the land of Israel." http://www.ou.org/torah/haber/thoughts/5760/vayelech60.htm Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Criticize Israel - Get Fired
by Mark Saarelainen 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Actually, Jews are actively using the electromagnetic frequency systems of the U.S. government and intrelligence agencies to attack remotely individuals who criticize them or who may think against them in one way or another. I have written more about this on alt.politics.org.cia. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hain+jews+Markku Markku J. Saarelainen Autor:Mark (mjsone(a)ureach.com) Asunto:Interesting .. in September, 1999 I wrote down correctly that the head of Jews is in Estee Lauder, although I did not know it ... this "hain" means "finality in Hebrew ... I started getting these understandings, when ... Grupos de noticias:alt.politics.org.cia, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.nordic, soc.culture.usa View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Fecha:2001-10-26 17:36:45 PST I had communicated to my own voicemail box at BellSouth "There are too many Jews in the White House." and I had said "Play this music to your grandparents" (I played loudly some 3rd Reich songs .. so I must conclude that Jews attacked me started from the summer of 1999 after I had told to the Kremlin and on the USENET that Boris Berezovsky and other Jews must be fired etc ... Madeleine Albright was involved against me as I correctly noted in my notes earlier (they used the word insertation technique (basically word were placed to the phone conversation between me and my seperated spouse on December 15, 1999 as I have noted ..) They tried to kill me ... really KILL ME ... how interesting ... so the U.S. government with Jews destroyed my family and stole my moneys .. from the ordinary Finn. ------ A Medrash. Hashem said to Moshe "Hain Kirvu Yamecho Lamus". Your time has come. The end of your life is here. The Hebrew word 'Hain', the commentaries explain, implies finality. Hashem told Moshe, "You have been praying, arguing and negotiating with me to extend your life. It is not going to happen. The conversation is closed. The decision is in. "Hain!" Your time has come. You will not live to enter the land of Israel." http://www.ou.org/torah/haber/thoughts/5760/vayelech60.htm Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Criticize Israel - Get Fired
by Mark Saarelainen 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Actually, Jews are actively using the electromagnetic frequency systems of the U.S. government and intrelligence agencies to attack remotely individuals who criticize them or who may think against them in one way or another. I have written more about this on alt.politics.org.cia. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hain+jews+Markku Markku J. Saarelainen Autor:Mark (mjsone(a)ureach.com) Asunto:Interesting .. in September, 1999 I wrote down correctly that the head of Jews is in Estee Lauder, although I did not know it ... this "hain" means "finality in Hebrew ... I started getting these understandings, when ... Grupos de noticias:alt.politics.org.cia, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.nordic, soc.culture.usa View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Fecha:2001-10-26 17:36:45 PST I had communicated to my own voicemail box at BellSouth "There are too many Jews in the White House." and I had said "Play this music to your grandparents" (I played loudly some 3rd Reich songs .. so I must conclude that Jews attacked me started from the summer of 1999 after I had told to the Kremlin and on the USENET that Boris Berezovsky and other Jews must be fired etc ... Madeleine Albright was involved against me as I correctly noted in my notes earlier (they used the word insertation technique (basically word were placed to the phone conversation between me and my seperated spouse on December 15, 1999 as I have noted ..) They tried to kill me ... really KILL ME ... how interesting ... so the U.S. government with Jews destroyed my family and stole my moneys .. from the ordinary Finn. ------ A Medrash. Hashem said to Moshe "Hain Kirvu Yamecho Lamus". Your time has come. The end of your life is here. The Hebrew word 'Hain', the commentaries explain, implies finality. Hashem told Moshe, "You have been praying, arguing and negotiating with me to extend your life. It is not going to happen. The conversation is closed. The decision is in. "Hain!" Your time has come. You will not live to enter the land of Israel." http://www.ou.org/torah/haber/thoughts/5760/vayelech60.htm Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Weaponizing anthrax
by jamesd＠echeque.com 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

The following is theory, constructed from readily available public sources. This theory has not been tested in practice. Anthrax spores disperse in neutral water and most nutrient broths, settling to the bottom so slowly that for all practical purposes they do not settle. To separate them one would need to add a suitable agent to the solution -- probably acetic acid would do it. Acidify the water to PH 4 or so, and let them settle out. I do not know if this would harm the spores, but spores are tough. Take some sodium bentonite clay, let it swell in water to maximum volume, and add water till it is nice and liquid. The clay should be moderately alkaline. Because the clay is alkaline, the spores will disperse in it, as they do in clean water. Mix spores very thoroughly into the clay. Acidify the mixture with acetic acid till the PH ensures the clay precipitates from the slurry The clay should precipitate out to form a crumbly precipitate which when dried can be readily pulverized to very fine dust. Different clays will yield precipitates that have different physical properties. Have no idea what PH would ensure the best properties of the precipitate, but one can test this without any need for bacteria. Now comes the tricky bit. One could have a well equipped laboratory to grind the precipitate without exposing oneself to too much of the dust, or one could take several people from some unwanted group, for example Tajiks or Kurds, put the precipitate in a barrel containing granite rocks, and have them roll the barrel around until the precipitate is well powdered. It seems to me that it is not very difficult to produce weaponized anthrax with primitive means, except that such means would liberally spread anthrax spores around the plant. If the plant was located in the frozen wastes of afghanistan, this would not be a serious problem.

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JOHN EDWARD
by Sandy Sandfort 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

C'punks, If you ever watch the SciFi Channel, you've probably seen John Edward. He supposedly conveys messages from dead people to their grieving friends and family. I can't watch it more than a couple of minutes without getting really angry. Penn Jillette--following in Houdini's footsteps about such matters--has expressed similar outrage. Recently, Penn wrote: If you want [a] number to call John Edward and tell him how wrong what he's doing is, I got through on this one 631-574-6043. If you have an opinion to share with John Edward, you might wish to give him a call. S a n d y P.S. What was the *SCI*Fi Channel thinking?

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