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22 Nov '01

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by 100posko 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:37:50 -0500 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:58:28 -0600 >From: gep2(a)terabites.com >Subject: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. >To: dallasdemocrats(a)egroups.com, dave(a)farber.net >X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 > >Here's a disturbing story from today's New York Times: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/national/21BOOK.html?todaysheadlines > >I sure hope that the government is investigating and following each and every >person who buys a copy of this book... I wonder if there's a way to force >Tobiason to foot the bill for that security? > >In any case, jerks like this clearly aren't helping to keep our nation >secure... >if anything, crap like this will make our government MORE repressive (not >less). > >[quote] > >November 21, 2001 > >THE HOW-TO BOOK >In Utah, a Government Hater Sells a Germ-Warfare Book > >By PAUL ZIELBAUER with WILLIAM J. BROAD > >SALT LAKE CITY, Nov. 19 At the "Crossroads of the West" gun show here last >weekend, weapons dealers sold semi- automatic rifles and custom-made pistols, >and ammunition wholesalers unloaded bullets by the case. But perhaps the most >fearsome weapon for sale in the cavernous, crowded exposition center was a >book. > >Next to the Indian handicraft booth, Timothy W. Tobiason was selling >printed and >CD copies of his book, "Scientific Principles of Improvised Warfare and Home >Defense Volume 6-1: Advanced Biological Weapons Design and Manufacture," a >germ-warfare cookbook that bioterrorism experts say is accurate enough to be >dangerous. > >Mr. Tobiason, an agricultural-chemicals entrepreneur from Nebraska with a >bitter >hatred for the government, said he sold about 2,000 copies of his >self-published >book a year as he moved from gun show to gun show across America. The book, >which includes directions for making "mail delivered" anthrax, suggests >that the >knowledge necessary to start an anthrax attack like the one that has >terrorized >the East Coast is readily accessible. <snip> For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Weizmann Institute Amazes World Again
by Eric Cordian 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

You know, when I saw the headline for this story, the words "Weizmann Institute" immediately leaped into my head. It's just that certain something about Weizmann Institute press releases that reminds me of University of Utah press conferences back in the days of Cold Fusion. In any case, the folks at the Weizmann Institute are now claiming to have developed the "trillion would fit in a test tube" DNA computer. http://in.news.yahoo.com/011121/107/199x5.html ----- LONDON (Reuters) - Following Mother Nature's lead, Israeli scientists have built a DNA computer so tiny that a trillion of them could fit in a test tube and perform a billion operations per second with 99.8 percent accuracy. Instead of using figures and formulas to solve a problem, the microscopic computer's input, output and software are made up of DNA molecules -- which store and process encoded information in living organisms. Scientists see such DNA computers as future competitors to for their more conventional cousins because miniaturisation is reaching its limits and DNA has the potential to be much faster than conventional computers. "We have built a nanoscale computer made of biomolecules that is so small you cannot run them one at a time. When a trillion computers run together they are capable of performing a billion operations," Professor Ehud Shapiro of the Weizmann Institute in Israel told Reuters on Wednesday. It is the first programmable autonomous computing machine in which the input, output, software and hardware are all made of biomolecules. Although too simple to have any immediate applications it could form the basis of a DNA computer in the future that could potentially operate within human cells and act as a monitoring device to detect potentially disease-causing changes and synthesise drugs to fix them. The model could also form the basis of computers that could be used to screen DNA libraries in parallel without sequencing each molecule, which could speed up the acquisition of knowledge about DNA. ... -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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21 Nov '01

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Re: The Crypto Winter
by jamesd＠echeque.com 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

-- James A. Donald: > > > > It took governments a generation and the vigorous and > > > > frequent application of bayonets and batons to render their > > > > money independent of precious metals. Anonymous: > >> but why did governments engage in the vigorous and frequent > >> application of bayonets and batons to render their money > >> independent of precious metals? James A. Donald: > > Because they could. Anonymous: > This goes beyond gratuitous demonstration of power and ability, > there is an economic reason behind it all. > What is / their / economic reason? It is more lucrative to issue pure fiat money, than to issue money backed by gold. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG eQEowuGI8WpNHqO556F5HndPZm6+Oss3V0doEbar 4QHYJ0Jb9HD8hvRd9MHwufYOCn3mtcwAnq2A83TJR

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by Anonymous 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Declan wrote: >>Sandfort wrote: >> US postal regs end at the US >> border. The rest of the world is >> full of mail drops, accommodation >> addresses and mail forwarding >> services. > Or, even inside the U.S., you could > run an anon mail-receiving locker > (insert $20 bill for two days, much > like train station lockers) service > if you only accepted FedEx/UPS/etc. > letters and packages. Obviously it > would cost more for users, but for > sufficiently valuable cargo... This already exists, and has for many years (I have been using this service personally since the late 70s, early 80s. John Smith Suite (your drop box number here) 134 West 32nd Street New York City, NY

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Re: Risks of belief in identities
by Anonymous 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

>From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann(a)csl.sri.com> >Subject: Risks of belief in identities > >For those of you who might believe that national ID cards might be a good >idea, check out the December 2001 *Commun.ACM* Inside Risks column by me >and Lauren Weinstein, previewed on my Web site > http://www.csl.sri.com/neumann/insiderisks.html The criticisms in this essay have nothing to do with national ID cards per se. The points have nothing to do with the cards being national, with them proving ID, or with them being in the form of a card for that matter. What the essay really argues against is any attempt to prove that someone has been checked for a certain property by showing a document. Documents can be forged, biometrics are imperfect, and the employees who issue the documents can be bribed. By this argument, we should have no driver's licenses, credit cards, or paper cash for that matter. Everything stuffed into your wallet is useless. Any one of those items could be forged or could have been given to you improperly. But we find them to be useful anyway. In actuality, no one in politics is seriously pushing for a national ID card. However they are talking about having an air travel card which would allow holders to go through an expedited security check. Neumann's arguments apply just as strongly against such a card (which need not have ID printed on it at all), further proving that he is not in fact opposing a national ID card but any kind of carried credential.

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Re: The United States of America vs. The Left Coast
by Steve Schear 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

At 01:33 PM 11/21/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Oregon refuses to ignore basic constitutional rights for the sake of the >war on terrorism: > >"Portland police have refused a U.S. Justice Department request for help >in interviewing Middle Eastern immigrants as part of its sweeping >terrorism investigation, saying it would violate state law." > >"Arabs and Muslims have expressed outrage at the U.S. Justice Department's >plan to interview the 5,000 men, who are not suspected of any crimes. The >list is comprised of men ages 18 to 33 who entered the United States since >January 1, 2000, from countries that have been linked to the hijackers in >the September 11 attacks or were waystations for the terrorist >organization, al Qaeda." > >[...] > >http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/11/21/inv.portland.police.questioning.ap/index.… > > >Oregon does battle with Ashcroft over physician-assisted suicide laws: > >"The judge said his order "nullifies giving any legal effect" to >Ashcroft's directive -- in other words, doctors should not fear legal >repercussions if they follow the Oregon law." > >"Ashcroft's order prompted the court challenge, with Oregon officials >saying the government was trying to strip the state of its right to govern >the practice of medicine" > >[...] > >http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/11/21/assistedsuicide.hearing.ap/index.html > > >DEA feds declare war on Californians: > >"Unable to find Osama bin Laden or dismantle al Qaeda, the Bush >administration has attacked an easier target -- the 960 mostly AIDS and >cancer patients of the Los Angeles Cannabis Resource Center." > >"The basis for the raid is the long-standing state-vs.federal government >dispute over who has say over drug laws. In 1996, California voters >approved Proposition 215, which gave patients the right to possess medical >marijuana. The federal government has refused to recognize the law in >California and eight other states and Washington, D.C., which have passed >similar medical-marijuana measures. Last May, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled >against the reopening of an Oakland club, a decision cited in last weeks >search warrant." I can't see any constitutional basis for the FDA (or much of the FAA or FCC regulations for that matter). Perhaps not regulating California marijuana clinics impacts marijuana clinics in other states: empty Commerce Clause justification. steve

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Re: The United States of America vs. The Left Coast
by Tim May 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 05:41 PM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Steve Schear wrote: > >> I can't see any constitutional basis for the FDA (or much of the FAA >> or FCC >> regulations for that matter). Perhaps not regulating California >> marijuana >> clinics impacts marijuana clinics in other states: empty Commerce >> Clause >> justification. > > Question to the lawyerly-types: > > What would happen if California passed a law making seizure of marijuana > plants from an approved medical marijuana facility a criminal offense? > > The local sheriff's department should then be responsible for preventing > such criminal raids by the DEA, and the agents involved should be > arrested > and prosecuted. > > How would this play out, both on the street and in the courts? > Much the same thing as when governors in the past (and legislatures) said that there laws about race-mixing took precedence over Yankee laws *requiring* race-mixing. Namely, the troops were called in to assert the power of the Washingtonians over the states. Ditto for troops enforcing school busing. And in the New Regime of suspension of detention without trial, sneak and peak raids without warrants, torture (proposed by some Zionist shysters), and untrained-for-police-work soldiers waving M-16s at the proles, expect things to be much, much worse. --Tim May "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler

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