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RE: The Crypto-Financial Paradox
by Ryan Lackey 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Bob Hettinga wrote: > Quoting "Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com>": > > But sometimes it seems like it will be a Cold Day in Hell before > > that happens. > > (Ryan, would you make this your next project? > > We'd all appreciate it *ever* so much.) I think I've figured out why ecash hasn't been deployed. 1) "Math is hard! Let's go shopping!" 2) Yet, ecash can be used for shopping. The resulting paradox has rendered ecash a logical impossibility :) > Not to un-swash his buckle, and all that, because he really deserves > massive kudos for what he's done with HavenCo., but Ryan's already > tried that, once before, on Anguilla, if we all remember, and it > wasn't at all pretty (cf. Declan's articles earlier this year about > the E-Gold/Systemics pissing contest). Twice, actually, if you count HINDE. (unclear if 0 for 2 is better than 0 for 1; I actually think so. Better than 0 for 0 regardless.) -- Ryan Lackey [RL7618 RL5931-RIPE] ryan(a)havenco.com CTO and Co-founder, HavenCo Ltd. +44 7970 633 277 the free world just milliseconds away http://www.havenco.com/ OpenPGP 4096: B8B8 3D95 F940 9760 C64B DE90 07AD BE07 D2E0 301F

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Nov. 26: Barry Hurewitz, HIIP Seminar on Privacy; Nov. 29: Jerry Hausman, New Directions in Regulation Seminar on Broadband Access
by R. A. Hettinga 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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Re: The Crypto Winter
by David Honig 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

At 01:27 AM 11/20/01 +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 georgemw(a)speakeasy.net wrote: > >>It's amazing how many people assert this, even though it's clearly >>wrong. A gold standard does NOT mean that the amount of currency in >>circulation equals the amount of gold in the vaults, it means that the >>currency is exchangeable for gold at a fixed rate. Obviously, there can >>be more gold in the vaults than you need to actually exchange every >>dollar for the correct amount of gold. Less obviously, there can be >>less. > >Of course, the system also exposes the currency to fluctuations in world >wide supply of gold. It's not sane policy to tie one's unit of currency to >any particular good -- think about what it would mean if the chosen good >was unrefined oil, a particular crop or electrical power. One'll get the >picture fairly soon. Yes, but what this thread has ignored is that gold (and other densely precious things) were valued *in and of themselves* and so using them as money was not symbolic. You traded your goat for a goat's worth of gold; if trust evaporated overnight the gold is still worth something. Similarly with barrels of oil. If you discover a lot of it under your topsoil, you get wealth because the substance itself has utility. >It's not really sane to opt for a tie-in to the supply of a particular >currency, either -- that's actually even worse, since the people printing >the bills can cause fluctuations in the exchange rate even easier than >they could if they were just digging up precious metals up from the crust. > >Hence, private, floating currency, which, again, is old news on the list. Clearly stated.

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RE: why market to Joe Sixpack?,
by mattd 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

"efforts are better spent developing the technologies and markets in such a way that maybe Joe Sixpack will someday follow. " Tim wrote. Technologies like quantum computing could be to late/impossible/to expensive.Markets seem more promising even in freeloaders heaven,the web,plenty will pay for games.Theres a take off of the IMF/WTOvs demonstrators battles so why not a cypherpunks vs the evil feds game on X-box or gameboy?Some of the more exciting and futuristic applications of cryptoanarchy could be on the higher levels.The base game simply being how much you can get away with before being frogmarched off to 'happy fun court'. Ive got a funny feeling that P-P hordes are about to descend on crypto like locusts,anyone else?

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by road 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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memo
by Leona Wing 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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Mail Delivery Problem
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Sorry cypherpunks(a)toad.com. Your mail to funkymonkey323 could not be delivered because funkymonkey323 is not accepting mail with attachments or embedded images

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by Burkhouse, Martin T 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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publicite pour adultes:revesx
by nathalie 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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Re: Weizmann Institute Amazes World Again
by Eric Cordian 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Tim wrote: > Sounds like the same DNA computing that Adleman was doing several years > ago. As I recall, Adleman's DNA actually chugged away in a test tube computing Hamiltonian Paths. I look forward to news of Shapiro's DNA doing something similarly useful. > A good thing the Department of Hype was brought in to co-author the > scientific press releases. My favorite Weizmann Institute press release was the one about their amazing discovery that electrons in a double slit experiment do not produce an interference pattern when you observe which slit they go through. (E. Buks et al., Nature, 26 Feb. 1998.) Vulis lampooned this in a very funny spoof, in which the "Weizmann Institute" announced the "amazing result" of a similar experiment with photons. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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