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RE: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
by Trei, Peter 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

> ---------- > From: Eric Cordian[SMTP:emc@artifact.psychedelic.net] > > > Peter Trei writes: > > >> There's also a blacklist on the Web of people in academia who have > >> publicly stated less than glowing support for Bush's war against > >> "evil." > > > Where is it? [...] > It was released by ACTA, formerly the NAF, run by Lynne Cheney, formerly > arch-conservative Bill Bennett's heir at the National Endowment for the > Humanities, and the wife of the federal government's favorite cardiac > patient, Vice President Dick Cheney. [...] > You might want to wade through http://www.goacta.org/ and see if you can > find the report. I took a quick look, but my javascript and .pdf > patience levels were quickly exceeded. [...] Well, http://www.goacta.org/Reports/defciv.pdf doesn't actually name names, but the quotes are given enough attribution that, at least on a given campus, the speaker is probably identifiable. For example... 2 2 . "What the U.S. calls counter-terrorism is terrorism by another name. Operation Infinite Justice-the Bush administration's code name for proposed military action against terrorists - is 'cowboy law.'" Professor of linguistics, MIT. ...isn't too hard to identify. On the other hand, ACTA has specifically condemned the U of NM for their punishment of Berthold (which started this thread). http://www.goacta.org/Press%20Releases/11-14-01PR.htm AMERICAN COUNCIL OF TRUSTEES AND ALUMNI DEFENDS UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO PROF Controversial Comment on Terrorist Attack Is Not Grounds for Punishment WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 14, 2001) -- The American Council of Trustees and Alumni today came to the defense of University of New Mexico professor Richard Berthold who is under investigation by the University for remarking: "Anyone who can blow up the Pentagon has my vote." "Professor Berthold's comment is certainly crude and debatable, but it is not punishable," said Anne D. Neal, ACTA's Vice President and General Counsel. "While we clearly disagree, academic freedom requires a free exchange of ideas-no matter how controversial." [...] "There is a big difference between criticizing someone's comments, and punishing those comments," said Neal. "It is the responsibility of a university to teach that the right way to counter ideas with which one disagrees is with more speech, not less," said Neal. -- end of quote - Peter Trei

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Behold a pale horsepersyn
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Not only will operation soft drill water your plants and walk your dogs it now kills all known horsemen of the infopocalypse. While it will be portrayed as the grim reaper,great satan and everything else under a rock,a way must be found to neutralize the 'freak out the soccer moms' campaigns that could be coming our way soon.You know the ones... Crypto pedophiles! crypto terrorists! crypto narcotraffickers! and crypto money launderers for them all. Why not turn crypto assassins loose on the above? It takes a thief to catch a thief and the authorities are losing all these battles.(when they're battling and not joining in) So,how to turn a negative horseman,crypto assassins,into the ultimate killer app? Simple,stop sneaking around and go "open source" Its a boon.Not doom.A blessing,not the end of the world as we know it.If youse can sell yourselves on the comedy that your 'punks' and 'anarchists' you have great futures in advertising.Whats in it for moi? ecash,new markets,fame,70 virgins,hells bells,whateveryoufugginwant.Cheney,the evil one,is in the bunker now planning nuclear war with china as the ultimate last resort so we havent got all day.Give us your answer here! The media can sniff out the candidates quite nicely,condit,oj,USAma,etc.Once we break the ice and the network affect kicks in it'll be background before you know it.Operation soft drill,you know it makes sense.

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AP Al quim
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

.>..regarding Assassination Politics: > > Just keep in mind that AP is a joke among knowledgeable > > technologists for >its unworkability, but a wonderful joke > > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt. > Total bullshit again. Yes, but the reason it's bullshit is that shooting messengers does no good. It leaves intact the originators of the message, all hundred- million of them. Tomorrow, the hundred million will be stumbling over each other trying to empower new messengers to replace those fallen. Who else but the messengers (politicians, bureaucrats, etc.) is going to collect the >money to pay the Social Security, after all? Who else is going to halt the drug trade? Assassination Politics Convicted tax evader Jim Bell proposes a system of anonymous ecash awards for the murder of "aggressors", such as IRS agents. See also Crypto-Convict Won't Recant. What he misses is that his system, if tolerated, would merely force government to operate secretly rather than openly FROM http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cypher.html Jim says in the essay,It doesnt have to be,"wild in the streets"He doesn't miss a trick.He talks of the possibility of minarchy.Does anyone actually read the fucking essay? I part with him on offing forest grunts,btw.Its not about shooting 'messengers'.Its about making very credible threats to limit violence.Paradoxical but effective. Halting the drug trades as imbecilic an idea as a "war on terror" KILLTHEPRESIDENTKILLTHEPRESIDENTFASTERPUSSYCATKILLKILL.

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Re: AP Al quim
by David Honig 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not.

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Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
by Jim Choate 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: > And I have given numerous examples, to which no one has > replied, except as mattd has recently done -- by citing > Chomsky as evidence for the truthfulness of Chomsky, much > after the fashion of a Christian who cites the bible as proof > of the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus as proof of the > infallibility of the bible. [text deleted] Not true. I've asked several times for clarification and never(!!!) received anything from you in responce. I'll look into the text I deleted since it will take a few minutes to review. I'll let you know what I think of your analysis of Chomsky's views. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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11 Dec '01

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Tim May; Oxymoron
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

>>the very idea of a "libertarian socialist" is an oxymoron. It doesn't compute. Sure, we are "libertarian socialists" in a sense within our families or circles of friends, in a manner of speaking, but we are not coerced by external agents to be nice, or socialist, to our family and friends. >>Therein lies the reason why "libertarian socialist" is such an oxymoron." Tim. "but we are not coerced by external agents to be nice, or socialist, to our family and friends." What if the coercing external agent were operation soft drill? It cant be the anarchist police can it? Under libertarian socialism (anarchism)the only external coercive agents possible would be distributed,available to all and anonymous.External coercive agents are a distinguishing feature of authoritarian socialism and corporate capitalism.Anarchy (libertarian socialism)is the best way forward to minimize external coercion (violence) Operation soft drill while it allows for inevitable violence,it should keep it to an absolute minimum once it takes off.A computer in every village is as important as a well.This AP idea is the justice system for the whole wired world. Crypto-anarchy needs justice or it will fail.

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Earn Cash, Find Errors in _Disappearing Cryptography_.
by Peter Wayner 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

I'm working on a second edition of _Disappearing Cryptography_, a book about steganography and anonymity on-line. In the interests of removing any errors from previous editions, I'm offering a $10 reward for anyone who reports the technical errors to me. Here are the rules: *) Only the first person to report an error wins a prize. This is the only way to avoid many people submitting the same error again and again and again. I reserve the right to pay duplicate prizes to people who appear to have submitted a duplicate in good faith. *) I reserve the right to decide the size of an error. If misspellings counted, spelling someone's name wrong through out the entire book would only count as one error. *) First person is judged by the time the error arrives in my mailbox, pcw(a)flyzone.com. *) Only technical errors count. Grammar and spelling errors could bankrupt me, even after the copy editing fixes 99%. *) Please submit the page number. *) Please let me know if you want your name included in the thanks at the beginning of the book. Thank you. You're free to forward this offer to any other list. -Peter

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Nobrain nescio
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

>>But with AP any small group of people that can put up enough money to >hire an assassin can get their way. The going rate for a murder is around $5-10K to off an average person, more if he's heavily guarded. >If 100 people put up $100 each then that's enough to get someone killed. Thats what I keep telling them at indymedia,we can leverage our numbers to bring justice and protect freedom of speech. Indy keeps no logs and you can go there quad anon,pledge your bloc's 5-10 k and leave.Payable after the revolution,no crypto required.This is operation soft drill and will leave cypherpunks as a right racist cul de sac. >>Imagine a secret ballot where any measure to increase government power would pass if it received as few as 100 votes. How much freedom would >you have left in such a society? That's what AP represents. Der,as much freedom as you have now? Is it true there are 5 million laws in the US now? >And keep in mind that the people buying the assassination are fully anonymous. There is no way to know who is funding the AP market. There is no check or limit on the extent to which anonymous individuals with >>private grievances can buy the deaths of anyone who gets in their way. NOMEN AP or militant anti-choice fanatics already operating? In the 'let it all hang out' version of AP,operation soft drill,no ones anonymous unless they want,its an exercise in civil disobedience and whats the charge again? betting on a date? SAMPLE OSD international calls for pledges to be pooled and paid for the closest prediction of the exact time that noshame nescio ceases to post silly rubbish to this list.I pledge 1 dollar,I will send to the anonymous predictor. >>Police forces, heavily armed and always travelling in teams, will receive their orders via encrypted, digitally signed messages from elected officials. Any government official who must interact with the public, whether a building inspector, a drivers' license examiner, even a fireman, would get hazardous duty pay. Wearing masks might become >routine for such officials. Wow! No one will ever find them out! They would be queuing up to predict the retirement of any ashcroft on steroids who tried this foolishness.Listen to yourself.Are you an american? (Minarchy anyone?) >>Taxes (much higher than before due to the greater expenses of operating the government) could be charged based on imputed property values depending on zip code and acreage. Everyone in a particular neighborhood would be charged a fixed amount per square foot. Any household which does not provide the required fee (via cryptographic anonymous transfer into the government account of course) would have its property subject >to confiscation by police. Armed resistance would be met by military >force including helicopter gunships. Isnt this already going on? RICO.(+like the anti-abortion zealots thang.)Could lead to violent revolt, if true.The police state would have to be 1984 in size and scope.2 million prisoners in US gulag.(dont frighten the horses:) No sense of citizens options here nes.Like rent strikes,slowdowns,defacing the currency,the list is endless. Read some anarchy,or even cia(nica manual) will you,there are some anarchists here. >>We can live in a world of crypto anarchy, but it won't be pretty. And the government certainly won't wither away. Anyone who thinks that attacking the government will weaken it should have learned a lesson from September >11th. When it feels itself under attack, the government strikes back How can we have our crypto anarchic cake and eat it? There is finally one question only,who is to be master,thats all? We live in crypto anarchy more and more."The bourgeois fascist state may leave this world in ruins but dont forget who built those cities and can build them again for themselves. We have always lived in ruins and holes in the wall,yet its us that will inherit the earth, we carry a new world in our hearts...that world is growing as we speak." Durrutti. >We are all the losers as our freedoms are destroyed. All things must be paid for in this world.Tanstaafl.Shrub? "Id buy that for a dollar!" KILLTHEPRESIDENTKILLTHEPRESIDENTFASTERPUSSYCATKILLKILL.

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AOLTW hires ex Secret Service
by Dirk Boxcuttah 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/bpihw/20011210/en/aol_tw_secures_secret_serv… AOL TW secures Secret Service vet By Georg Szalai NEW YORK (The Hollywood Reporter) --- In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, AOL Time Warner Inc. is breaking new ground in the media industry, saying Monday that it has named the deputy director of the U.S. Secret Service to the new position of chief security officer and senior vp. Larry Cockell, a 20-year Secret Service veteran, will start his new assignment at the world's largest entertainment and online conglomerate Jan. 14. Reporting to AOL TW executive vp administration Patricia Fili-Krushel, Cockell will be responsible for security on a global basis, coordinating and overseeing all security policies and operations, the company said. Analysts said Monday that they were not aware of similar positions at other media giants but that big corporations in other fields have started shoring up their security operations following Sept. 11. "I don't know of such a chief security officer position at any of AOL's media peers," Kaufman Bros. analyst Paul Kim said. "But this is definitely a growing trend at S&P 500 companies." <snip>

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