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Bush More Hopeful for Diplomacy With Korea Than Iraq
by Steve Schear 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

[Of course Bush sees diplomacy with North Korea more likely to yield results: they've already got nukes. Any nation that wants respect from the U.S. and to maintain their sovereignty needs to get theirs ASAP. Wouldn't be surprised if Saddam is telling the truth about WoMD. You can bet that if the inspectors doesn't find any smoking gun the international community will quickly lose interest. He has less need to develop them himself if he can purchase them covertly from NK. Probably already has all presents for next Ramadam picked out and paid for ;-) ] Bush More Hopeful for Diplomacy With Korea Than Iraq By DAVID STOUT[] WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 President Bush said today that he was still hopeful that the confrontations with Iraq and North Korea could be resolved through diplomacy rather than war, though he seemed to express deeper concern over Iraq. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/international/31CND-PREX.html Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun -- Mao Tse-tung

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Silver coin banks to oppose the Fed?
by GaryJeffers＠aol.com 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

My Fellow Cypherpunks, <A HREF="http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/guillory/guillory3.html">http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/guillory/guillory3.html</A>Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! to see how the world runs see: <A HREF="www.WHATREALLYHAPPENED.COM">www.WHATREALLYHAPPENED.COM</A> and <A HREF="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/">http://www.skolnicksreport.com/</A> to see how our evil money system really works see: <A HREF="www.fame.org">www.fame.org</A>

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Re: Recommended: "Catch Me If You Can," a film
by Tim May 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 02:23 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 01:22:49PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > ... >> >> (The next time a CP meeting/party is at my house, someone remind me >> and >> I'll put it on. Along with "A Beautiful Mind," also of interest to >> us.) >> >> " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the >> blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787 >> >> > > I actually found a beautiful mind to be a disappointment. I was hoping > for a movie more about math and crypto, but it turned out to be a > movie about schizophrenia. Did you not find the same thing? It was what it was about. A movie about math and crypto would be watched by only a small audience. "The Enigma" was also about things other than crypto. --Tim May "Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11

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Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory
by Michael Cardenas 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 09:57:58AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > First, I sent this in error to the CP list...it was intended for > another list. (My mailer has command completion and I am so used to > typing "cy" in the To: box and having it expand to > "cypherpunks(a)lne.com" that I sent it to CP by accident. As to why type > list addresses rather than "Reply to All," this is to get the list in > the To: and not the Cc: and not have misc. other lists or persons > getting copied--as in this reply, where TD is initially in the To: and > CP is in the Cc:, in OS X Mail.) > And what list would that be? I'd like to take a look at it. ... > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 08:25 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > >>> Yes. I strongly suspect that "minds" are quantum mechanical. > > > >Penrose also believes this, and has actually identified > >Aharanov-Bohm-like structures in certain simple organisms used to > >probe their immediate environment. > > Max Tegmark fairly conclusively demonstrated that decoherence occurs > far too rapidly in proteins and other biological structures for QM to > be an actor. As for Stuart Hameroff's nanotubules idea, I've been a > skeptic of this ever since meeting him at the A-LIFE Conference in 1987. > Last summer I read "the physics of consciousness". It was a pretty disappointing attempt to explain consciousness with QM, mixed with lots of emotional and relgious hand waving, nice background info though. Anyway, this is exactly why I want to do computational neuroscience. I also think that the turing machine is a sorely classical model, and that the brain is definitely not a turning machine, but something else, far more powerful. As for making a neuron, look into the research of henry abarbanel. I was in his lab the other day, and his students have actually made simple neurons that can be wired into the brain of a lobster to simulate removed neurons, creating the proper oscillation to generate the signals which allow the lobster to digest things. He mostly does research into the nonlines dynamic properties of neurons. I'm hoping to work in his lab next year. michael -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted email preferred Listening to: Lamb - Cotton Wool "Sit Rest Work. Alone with yourself, Never weary. On the edge of the forest Live joyfully, Without desire." - The Buddha [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Kevin Elliott 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

At 12:03 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: >Yes. So? > >Notice that exactly the same type of coupon is printed out with a >cash or non >courtesy card purchase. It's a purely local >calculation. In programming terms, >a purely local variable >situation. No. Obviously the coupon was closely linked with my buying pattern, and in at least one case I received one of these "buy several" coupons without having purchased that product that particular trip (though I'd purchased it the the past). >In my normal insulting way I would say "Duh" here. But I am >attempting to be >more polite, so I will say "Am I missing >something in your analysis?" My oh my. Getting an early start on your new years resolution? <G> -- ___________________________ Kevin Elliott <mailto:kelliott@mac.com> ICQ#23758827 AIM ID: teargo ___________________________

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biological systems and cryptography
by Michael Cardenas 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

How do you all see the future use of biologically based systems affecting cryptography in general? By biologically based systems I mean machine learning, genetic algorithms, chips that learn (like Carver Mead's work), neural networks, vecor support machines, associative memory, etc. It seems to me that computer science based on writing longer and longer streams of instructions is coming to an end, as it cannot possibly scale. We now have supercomputers that can execute 35 trillion instructions per second, but if someone has to write all of those instuctions, what good are they? Also, it seems that the brain has immensely powerful visual processing power, without having millions of lines of code written to do so. I only ask this because I'm deciding whether to study computational neuroscience or cryptography in grad school. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted email preferred Listening to: David Bowie - Wild Is The Wind "He who knows himself knows his Lord." - Sufi saying [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Tim May 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: > But what if this data is used as part of a larger picture, such as in > TIA. It definitely can be used, along with gas purchases, to track > where a suspect, aka a citizen, is living. Also, many possible > weapons such as perscription drugs, box cutters, and kitchen knives > can be purchased at a grocery store, which combined with case data > could be useful in framing, aka finding, the suspect. _Can_ be used is different from _must_ be used. Collecting valid name information costs a vendor money (both in labor, computerization/records, and in driving some customers elsewhere). It also deters some people from completing transactions. Given free choice, most parties to a transaction in a store will not exchange name information. Examples abound of this. No time today to describe the examples of where people choose not to give names. Flea markets, gas stations, grocery stores, hardware stores, etc. A gas station which refuses to take paper currency limits its sales. J. Random Terrorist will likely buy gas with cash. Only an enforceable (and unconstitutional, for various reasons) requirement for ID will work. As for your point about prescription drugs, box cutters, kitchen knives being trackable, I assume this is a troll or something you haven't thought through. Treat it as a signal to noise problem, with millions of such purchases every day. Again, I don't have time to describe this in detail. Think about it. --Tim May

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Re: Privacy qua privacy (Was: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures...)
by Kevin Elliott 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: >Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a >credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired membership card in >the name Doe. Interesting point on grocery cards... Why do they have your name at all? Every grocery card I've ever gotten they've said "here's your card and application, please fill out the application and mail it in". I say "thank you ma'am", walk out the door and toss the "application" in the trash. Not exactly strong (or any) name linkage... -- ___________________________ Kevin Elliott <mailto:kelliott@mac.com> ICQ#23758827 AIM ID: teargo ___________________________

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Re: [e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, Encrypted, accepts e-gold
by Bill Stewart 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

At 11:50 AM 12/13/2002 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >...It had to happen sooner or later, I suppose... >--- begin forwarded text > >From: <exchanges(a)seagold.net> >Subject: [e-gold-list] Announcing Seagold.net: E-mail Privacy, Secure, >Encrypted, accepts e-gold >... >Introducing Seagold.net, a secure web-based email service located in >the Principality of Sealand, outside the jurisdiction of any >government on earth! ... followed by some description of their email system and a long complex description of their shell game \\\\\\ multi- level pyramid scheme\\\\\\\\\ silly sales rep recruiting system.* If you poke around their site a bit, you'll see a reference to http://sealand.pmmit.com/seamail.html which appears to be a straightforward mail system without the shell game, though I haven't done a feature-by-feature comparison to be sure if it's quite identical. It's basically webmail plus SSL-encrypted POP3. The price ranges from $10/month to $90/year depending on contract length, vs. $25/month for the pyramid game, which offers the possibility of being free or letting you make gazillions of dollars if you can find a way to convince the untapped potential customer base to play the game instead of just buying the service. It strikes me as a bit short on features, but then I'm comparing it to fastmail.fm, which is an extremely well-run email system that my wife uses (which ranges from free accounts with signature tags to cheap accounts without them to full-featured accounts for $20-40/year.) There's no encryption, but their spam-avoidance features are the best I've seen. * Don't get me wrong - I'm not totally dissing well-designed pyramid marketing as a sales-rep recruitment technique, but it has to be something that has a product that's realistic at a price that's realistic with margins that are realistic, while these guys seem to have a margin that's unrealistic (at least compared to other services they're offering) with a total hand-waving shell-game compensation method, and other than the fact that their system is based in Sealand, which is worth paying some margin for, and open-source based, which says it has some chance of stability if administered well, they don't say anything that inspires me to expect them to be competent at running email systems well. But hey, free trials can be fun sometimes, though this one requires an e-gold account number, which makes it harder to burn lots of them.

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Re: QM, EPR, A/B
by Mike Rosing 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

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