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Re: Singularity ( was Re: Policing Bioterror Research )
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

>BTW, I think I read somewhere that when the water gets too hot the frog just >leaves. Like someone already mentioned, all that is needed for the total collapse of the US government is that 90+% of sheeple abstains from TV and newspapers for 30 consecutive days (externally induced psychosis needs constant maintenance.) Such detox event would be the most dramatic social phenomenon in the last hundred years. But it's impossible promulgate even that simple idea and therefore the frog stays. ribbit

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by eric niemand 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Tim May 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 07:44 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: > Actually, many stores go to a lot of trouble to find a pessimal > arrangement of items - the more shelves a customer walks > past, the more impulse buys he/she is likely to make. There's > a reason the dairy section is usually the furthest from the door. Ditto for meat, and for produce (vegetables, fruits). However, another primary reason is because dairy, meat, and to a lesser extent produce all benefit from wall space so that stocking can be done from behind. Butcher areas are usually behind the meats, and dairy is stocked from the large refrigerators behind the dairy cases. Ditto for beer. > > At Shaw's (one of our local chains) using the courtesy card > can sometimes lead to quite substantial savings - 50% on > some items such as meats. At times, my overall grocery bill > has been cut 20% by using a card. Mostly a scam. Prices on "$$$uper $$$aver!!!!" items, by whatever name, are often jacked-up before the Customer Satisfaction Reward! is applied. Items which are truly discounted, due to vendor surpluses, etc., are usually discounted just as much at stores with no such cards. (In the Bay Area, Nob Hill/Raley's, Albertson's prior to the card, and numerous other independent stores have no cards, and just as many discounts.) I don't dispute the notion that the major chains have all decided to try to keep customer loyalty by offering such cards. "So great that everyone ought to offer one" is the chestnut about a rare service becoming ubiquitous, and thus useless. This is one reason things like these cards go in cycles. As I said, I just picked up several more Safeway cards just by reaching over the counter in an aisle which was shut down. I keep a pile in my vehicles. And if I don't remember to pick one up before entering a store, I either get a new one (no name, of course) on the spot, have the checker wand a generic card, or grab a new one from near a locked cash register. But I certainly realize the supposed "savings" are hype based on the usual marketing principles. --Tim May

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RE: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Trei, Peter 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

> Mike Rosing[SMTP:eresrch@eskimo.com] wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Todd Boyle wrote: > > > Its not enough to put the chips next to the beer. They want > > to examining the layout of all their shelf space. > > The cash register data alone, is enough to do this, but > > it doesn't work very well for shoppers who come and > > buy chips on tuesday and beer on wednesday. The > > card lets them associate your whole shopping cart > > for the month. > > It's a nice idea, but they have several people on one card. > When my kids are teenagers, they'll have the same card I > and my wife have. So they have whole families in that data > mix. I'd think they would try to correlate the cash register > data with each person - the kids are in the candy corner, > the dad is getting the beer and mom is getting the chips. > Doesn't seem like a very simple problem to me! > > Patience, persistence, truth, > Dr. mike > Actually, many stores go to a lot of trouble to find a pessimal arrangement of items - the more shelves a customer walks past, the more impulse buys he/she is likely to make. There's a reason the dairy section is usually the furthest from the door. At Shaw's (one of our local chains) using the courtesy card can sometimes lead to quite substantial savings - 50% on some items such as meats. At times, my overall grocery bill has been cut 20% by using a card. Peter Trei

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Penn Jillette on Airport Security
by Bill Stewart 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

------ Forwarded Message From: Meng Weng Wong <mengwong(a)dumbo.pobox.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:10:52 -0500 To: Dave Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Subject: a different take on airport security http://pennandteller.com/sincity/penniphile/federalvip.html I insisted on his name and badge number. I filled it out with my name. The supervisor, I think trying to intimidate me, asked for my license, and I gave it to him happily as he wrote down information. I kept saying, "Please get the police," and they kept saying, "You're free to go, we don't need the police." I insisted and they got a higher up, female, supervisor. I was polite, cold, and a little funny. "Anyone is welcome to grab my crotch, I don't require dinner and a movie, just ask me. Is that asking too much? You wanna grab my crotch, please ask. ------ End of Forwarded Message He goes on quite a bit from there - basically, making it clear that what the Fed has done is assault and asking to call a cop; the Feds say "We don't need a cop, you're free to go", Penn insists they get the cop, they get the cop, the cop is a Penn&Teller fan and doesn't like these Fed rent-a-cops, and much discussion ensues over a period of several days.

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by jya 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

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05 Jan '03

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Eugen Leitl 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Sunder wrote: > Not in any 1U system that I know of unless you mean multiple racks. It doesn't matter. While NSA builds their own hardware, you can as well think in terms of vanilla Dells. > The biggest ATA drives I see on the market today are 200GB. Most 1U > systems won't hold more than two of these. That's nowhere near 1TB! Dell 1U have three drive bays. Whether it's 200 GB, or 300 GByte or TByte apiece (such drives exist) or how many U they occupy it doesn't matter, as this is an order of magnitude estimate. > Also you're forgetting about doing backups; and I don't know about you, I would not do backups for raw signint data. (If I would have to do backups I'd use RAID at disk or mirrored servers). I would do backups for targeted and destilled data, which is a tiny fraction of the entire sea of nodes. > but I get a fuckload more email than 1K/day. Granted, averaged out over The point is not how much you're getting (personal mail, mailing lists are redundant, so is spam -- NSA could offer the best spam filtering sources ever), the point how much people are _writing_. On the average. > the entire population of the earth - what over 99% of don't even have > email, it may well be 1k/day/person. > > Further, you'd want more than one GigE port on these machines just so as > to deal with the traffic. Off-shelf Dells come with twin GBit Ethernet ports. You can throw in other interconnects which scale better. The traffic is not that high, if you remember that you can hold entire's day email traffic in your hand. > And you'll need lots of cage monkeys to run around replacing failed disks. > Do the math if the MTBF of one disk is 10,000 hours, what is the MTBF of > say 2 spindles (disks) per machines multiplied by 10000 machines? One > failure every 5 hours? Hell, that's even assuming MTBF is that high! How much cage monkeys do you need to deal with a hardware failures in a 10 kNode installation which happens a few time in a workday? One. Two, if you want to deal with the failure immediately. You should look at personnel requirements and failure rate for COTS clusters in academic environments. > Have you see: http://www17.tomshardware.com/column/200210141/index.html ? > > You're probably also discounting the sheer amount of bandwidth required to > copy all that data, route it to each of those thousands of 1U nodes, and Email and fax and telex are easy. Voice might be tight. Dunno about videoteleconferencing, not many people are doing it yet. > then analyze it near real time and provide the ability to search through > the results. Oh, You'd need several such centers since the worlds data > flows aren't centralized. The system I mentioned was an illustration that you can process entire world's traffic in a single, not very large hall. On a very unremarkable budget. Yes, you can centralize the world's traffic (a TBit/s fiber link can feed one kilonode), but you don't have to. You can just switch the individual clusters into a grid with dedicated fiber lines, and treat it like a whole. It's just a database, after all. > I wonder what the specs are for those nice Echelon centers already in > existence.... Likely they're very different from what you propose. I have no idea what the specs are. All I'm saying that it can be done, now. The capabilities grow a lot faster than the number of subjects to survey, though threshold countries coming online (see DSL numbers for Chinese users) will result in a sudden surge of growth. After the world has saturated new growth will only come from intermachine traffic and new forms of communication (broadband video feeds). One would hope that by then the bulk of that traffic is encrypted, making gathering data largely an exercise in futility.

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by Norm McKee 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Sunder 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Not in any 1U system that I know of unless you mean multiple racks. The biggest ATA drives I see on the market today are 200GB. Most 1U systems won't hold more than two of these. That's nowhere near 1TB! Also you're forgetting about doing backups; and I don't know about you, but I get a fuckload more email than 1K/day. Granted, averaged out over the entire population of the earth - what over 99% of don't even have email, it may well be 1k/day/person. Further, you'd want more than one GigE port on these machines just so as to deal with the traffic. And you'll need lots of cage monkeys to run around replacing failed disks. Do the math if the MTBF of one disk is 10,000 hours, what is the MTBF of say 2 spindles (disks) per machines multiplied by 10000 machines? One failure every 5 hours? Hell, that's even assuming MTBF is that high! Have you see: http://www17.tomshardware.com/column/200210141/index.html ? You're probably also discounting the sheer amount of bandwidth required to copy all that data, route it to each of those thousands of 1U nodes, and then analyze it near real time and provide the ability to search through the results. Oh, You'd need several such centers since the worlds data flows aren't centralized. I wonder what the specs are for those nice Echelon centers already in existence.... Likely they're very different from what you propose. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote: <SNIP> > I think you're being very conservative here. You can package several > GBytes of memory and about a TByte worth of EIDE RAID drive into a 1U > system with dual GBit Ethernet. A single facility with a redundancy pool > of spares could contain 10^3..10^4 nodes, running for about a > megabuck/year for juice and air conditioning. 10 PByte of nonvolatile > storage and ~40 TByte of RAM accessed by dual CPUs could easily run data > mining on the entire Earth's population (in reality only a fraction of it > which generates traffic will be of interest), especially if they run > custom dbase code out of core, and use nonvolatile storage mostly as > libraries. > > Assuming there are some 100*10^6 users each of them is sending a 1 kByte > pure text email/day a single HD drive will hold a day of world's worth of > email traffic, uncompressed. Good quality human voice compresses to about > 1.5 kByte/s. Above assembly could store about 3 hours of 100 million > people jabbering simultanously. You can of course also run voice > recognition either in realtime, or do batch processing of selected stuff > from the library. <SNIP>

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