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Re: All quiet on the western front
by James A. Donald 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

-- On 2 Jul 2003 at 9:45, Tim May wrote: > But things have been quiet for months now, except for > occasional bursts of Unix-related security cruft. The technology is known, it has become depressingly apparent that imminent world change by means of this technology is not in the cards right now, what is left to say? The cypherpunk agenda is in fact making progress in boring routine ways -- increasing real world use of encryption, various complicated boring routine measures to improve security. Digital currencies have plateaued by some measures, but I think uptake will continue. At present, digital currencies do not give you any privacy from the currency issuer, but in practice monitoring is expensive, and low monitoring issuers tend to out compete high monitoring issuers. No issues of Chaumian cash have succeeded, but Chaumian cash is the ultimate in low monitored, irreversible transactions, so as Hettinga is fond of arguing, the trend is in its favor, but immediate change is not in sight. With americans, and the english speaking west in general under attack, the tendency is to rally around the state. Anarchism is not as popular as it was, not as cools as it was, when enemies are trying to kill us, and the state is trying to kill our enemies. > Every day brings new reports of surveillance plans, > suspensions of the Constitution, more statism. It is war. > Side note, worthy of a longer article: It may be literally a > generational thing, as libertarianism tended to be. The > anti-state "activists" of the 70s and 80s were influenced by > the antiwar movement > of the 60s, but were still somewhat libertarian. Many had > read > Heinlein, Rand, Rothbard, Hayek. The early Cypherpunks folks > were generally conversant with the ideas, and receptive. I > conjecture that the "new crop" is more into body piercings, > skin art, and anti-globalism (when it comes to corporations > and trade, but not when it comes to world government). In > other words, Cypherpunks is like several other Baby Boom > "degenerating research program.") You are suffering from old fogyism. "Ah, teenagers today are so rotten and selfish, not like we were." This reminds me of the indignant complaints about the fact that at the recent woodstock, so many young women were naked and semi conscious on GHB. Do you remember the original woodstock? If you do remember, you were not there. You think the "reefer madness" hysteria was laughable? They recently gave some poor sucker a sentence of several hundred years for "raping" girls by giving GHB, although his home movies seem to show the alleged rape victims enthusiastically jumping him. The fact is that our generation turned into the generation we were revolting against, only ten times worse. That is what went wrong. Four times the hypocrisy, ten times the jail sentences. It started when those boring puritan Leninists took over SDS (Students for a democratic society) in 1963, 1964. All that terribly solemn do gooding in the 1962 Port Huron statement, and the next thing you know instead of "Sex drugs and rock and roll", we hear that heterosexuality constitutes sexism and Andrew Luster is being abducted from a foreign country as if he was general Noriega. If he had jumped out of the bushes, sawed a nine year old's arms and legs off, and then raped her, the government would not have had him kidnapped in order to get him. Teenagers have not changed, instead we have become those old fogies we revolted against. We did not realize that the port Huron statement turned us into young fogies, the doddering senile washed up old bolsheviks. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG zM6pUlk6ZJ3PNi5XRMFqgmuU2xj28x3t55x+IgFu 46aIWX5lC5VdjpVgTOT5JiMBx1VdJYnsZT/eVKQ2t

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test please ignore
by Bill Stewart 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Is it really quiet in here, or does the fact that I've been playing with procmail this evening have something to do with it? Thanks; Bill

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Are the filters too restrictive on some CDRs?
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

> Gabriel Rocha[SMTP:gabe@seul.org] wrote > > On Wed, Jul 02, at 10:55AM, Trei, Peter wrote: > | I have 9 real messages from July 1. > > What node do you subscribe to? I have three messages from July 1st. I > use lne. > I use minder.com, which does no filtering. The count is after throwing out spam, duplicates, and Professor Rat. Peter

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RE: test please ignore
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

> Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > > > Pretty quiet. I'm going through back messages now and only saw I think > three from July 1. > > -Declan > > > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 02:04:28AM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > > Is it really quiet in here, or does the fact that I've been > > playing with procmail this evening have something to do with it? > > > > Thanks; Bill > Don't top post! I have 9 real messages from July 1. Peter Trei

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RE: Is Hatch a Mormon or a crypto Satanist?
by Trei, Peter 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

> Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > > To go back to the Subject: line of this thread, I recall that Hatch is > a former Mormon bishop. > > -Declan > In the LDS church, the title 'Bishop' is handed out pretty freely - I think it's roughly equivalent to 'lay preacher'. ...and it's not the only title subject to inflation. Those 17-year-old missionaries are properly addressed as 'Elder'. Peter Trei

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Is Hatch a Mormon or a crypto Satanist?
by Major Variola (ret) 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

At 07:36 PM 6/20/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: >"Except Utah is not in the South by anybody's definition." > >Also as it happens I saw that WIERD Temple downtown there, and asked "Sister >Johnson" if she really believed God was a guy kicked back in a Laz-Z-Boy on >the planet Kolab. She could not tell me decisely that this was not the case. > >Is Hatch a Mormon? Surely you jest. Anyone in any office in Utah is a Mormon. And most of the profs at the universities there. Good luck trying to buy a beer, BTW. If they didn't own Utah, they would be firebombed faster than you can say Janet Reno. They only got to own Utah because they Judased their own religious beliefs (polygamy) to suck up to the rest of the (puritan-based) country. I have no beef with anyone practicing their mental illnesses privately, but when they use the violence of the State to coerce others, they need killing. --- Reminds me of when a sociologist was interviewing a southern farmer: Why do you think the murder rate is higher in the south? I guess more southerners need killin'. as told by Aaron Evans

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Re: Is Hatch a Mormon or a crypto Satanist?
by Tyler Durden 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Variola wrote... "Surely you jest. Anyone in any office in Utah is a Mormon. And most of the profs at the universities there. Actually I was kind of joking. I was gently implying that anyone that adhered to a religion where God is a human being on the planet Kolab can't be super-bright. But then again, the CEO of Corvis is a Mormon and he's not an idiot, though he is by every account a megalomaniac and rather sociopathic. "Good luck trying to buy a beer, BTW." Actually on Thursday night I found a good little brewpub just a few blocks from that Temple (and that's their world HQ, BTW). There were a couple of others even closer, but they were hidden in a backalley like a speakeasy...kind of amusing. But the Mormons themselves (like SLC) are strangely banal...I was wondering where 'Landrew' was. Also, absolutely no caffeine, either. When they told me true Mormons would never knock back a good cappucino I told them that was simply too much for any good NYC boy to bare. -TD >From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv(a)cdc.gov> >To: "cypherpunks(a)lne.com" <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> >Subject: Is Hatch a Mormon or a crypto Satanist? Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 >10:24:04 -0700 > >At 07:36 PM 6/20/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > >"Except Utah is not in the South by anybody's definition." > > > >Also as it happens I saw that WIERD Temple downtown there, and asked >"Sister > >Johnson" if she really believed God was a guy kicked back in a >Laz-Z-Boy on > >the planet Kolab. She could not tell me decisely that this was not the >case. > > > >Is Hatch a Mormon? > >Surely you jest. Anyone in any office in Utah is a Mormon. And most of >the profs >at the universities there. Good luck trying to buy a beer, BTW. > >If they didn't own Utah, they would be firebombed faster than you can >say Janet Reno. >They only got to own Utah because they Judased their own religious >beliefs (polygamy) >to suck up to the rest of the (puritan-based) country. > >I have no beef with anyone practicing their mental illnesses privately, >but when they >use the violence of the State to coerce others, they need killing. > >--- >Reminds me of when a sociologist was interviewing a southern farmer: >Why do you think the murder rate is higher in the south? >I guess more southerners need killin'. >as told by Aaron Evans _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Weapons of mass destruction
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

-- Snip -- Go to www.google.com Type in "weapons of mass destruction" (including the quotes) and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button. Read the error page carefully. -- Snip -- Peter.

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New subatomic species found: Collision debris yields five-quark particle. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

http://www.nature.com/nsu/030630/030630-4.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | GPL May Not Work In German Legal System (fwd)
by Jim Choate 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/07/02/0245228.shtml?tid=117&tid=99 -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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