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Re: Militias
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > I just watched an hour-long special on CBS, "The Birth of a Militia," about > the Rocky Mountain Militia is southern Utah. > The militia member who was arrested, tried, and convicted of illegally > owning a gun, evading the police, and driving without a license, apparently > committed no serious crimes, by my standards. He didn't rob, he didn't > rape, he didn't kill. > > As the Sheriff was quoted several times as saying, he "mouthed off." And > apparently being a "skinhead" and a "militia member" is ipso facto proof of > criminality. The Sheriff said he planned to get Johnny. I watched the show and couldn't figure out exactly what the 'crimes' were supposed to consist of. I eventually got the impression that the real 'crime' was "intent to have a bad attitude." My basic read is that they are going to fuck with those they don't like until their sense of human dignity forces them to make a stand, and then they will murder them and use the event as more evidence of our need to be protected from 'unauthorized' nuts with guns. I don't know about you, but I would much rather get murdered by an 'authorized' nut with a gun, than an 'unauthorized' nut with a gun. It seems so much more civilized, somehow. When militia members leave for their meetings, do their mothers remind them to put on clean underwear, in case they get murdered by law enforcement agents? This is what cypherpunks enquiring minds really want to know. TruthMonger

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Re: netscape broken on NPR
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:06 PM 9/19/95 -0500, you wrote: >NPR reported on the security flaw in Netscape, > >3:05 pm CDT. As well as CNN Headline news. (With the big Netscape N logo and everything.) They spent a fair amount of time (for CNN Headline news) on the story. | Minister of Forced Caffinization in the DNRC | alano(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmerman unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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Re: Big Brother is watching
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chip Mefford propelled us into the future by writing: >Fairfax County, In the Peoples Republic of Virginia It's Fairfax City, I think, which is an independent city wholly contained in Fairfax County. At least they were the only ones with this shit deployed. >Citizens in the PRV who have been travelling in Fairfax County will soon >be recieving summons to come pay their dues to the monster in the form of >traffic citations for running red lights issued by Big Brother. This was discussed a while ago. Buy a license plate cover ("Just protecting my plates against stones and vandalism, Officer!") that's virtually transparent from head-on, but opaque beyond a certain view angle. I think these things exist -- look in Car & Driver or some such. And if some peckerhead parks his SUV in your driveway to nail speeders, buy a "radar detector tester" (maybe C&D, or an electronic-hobbyist's magazine) and crank it up every now and again while he's trying to catch violators. Do it from the safety of your house so you don't wind up with a nightstick up your ass. <snip> >With this wonderful sucess, We can all look forward to this items being >placed in our domiciles in order to further protect us from crime. And I'll give my kids a can of spray paint and a ladder. Maybe I'll offer bonus prizes if they can figure out an inventive, undetectable way to disable the fucker. Shit, they're trying to nail Marv Albert for consensual sodomy, which is also a "crime" in the PRV, if they can't get him on the assault charges. So think twice before you and your SO get into acts of Hooverism down Virginia way. N.

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Netscape closes UNCHANGED!
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NSCP is currently trading at $53 3/8 Symbol : NSCP Exchange : NASDAQ Description : NETSCAPE COMMUNICATIONS CORP COM Last Traded at: 53 3/8 Date/Time : Sep 19 4:00 $ Change : 0 % Change : 0.000000 Bid : 53 1/4 Ask : 53 1/2 Volume : 373500 # of Trades : 470 Opening Price : 49 1/4 Last Shares : 21 Day Low : 49 Day High : 53 1/2 52 Week Low : 45 3/4 52 Week High: 74 3/4 -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Re: Investing on Information We Get Here
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:51 AM 9/20/95, Michael Shields wrote: >> (These computer lists are really great for investors! I heard about the >> Apple problems a few days before they hit the street, and was able to >> unload a bunch of shares at $45, a day before it dropped, now down to >> around $36. "He who hesitates to act on inside information is lost.") > >This isn't inside information in the illegal-to-trade-on-in-the-US sense, >is it? cypherpunks, while maybe not mainstream, is publicly available. Didn't you read my last line? "(Yes, I know that I am not an "insider" by SEC definitions. Poetic license.)" --Tim ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So, looking at all this, what does it mean???? Are they going to have an amnesty period when I can run down to my local firehouse and turn in my PGP5 CDROM without risking going to jail? Will MIT turn over logs of everyone who ever d/l-ed PGP2 and we have four weeks to turn over every backup disk we ever made? If they do get this by us, and I decide to use their silly-assed encryption, do I get a ten year all expense paid vacation at the Allenwood Hilton if I send my bootlegged PGP message inside their encryption? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNA4oP8dZgC62U/gIEQLkIQCgsEasNm3JxBrHz1djEo2BvO1jyikAnis8 fDdwE1GjXBOhOMRrNRxSs0XW =Wz3y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" -- Samuel Johnson "With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first." -- Ambrose Bierce's commentary on Johnson's definition.

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Re: Big Brother is watching
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/4/97 12:51 AM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >At 8:28 PM -0700 9/3/97, Sean Roach wrote: >>At 03:43 AM 9/4/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >>... >>>>With this wonderful sucess, We can all look forward to this items being >>>>placed in our domiciles in order to further protect us from crime. >>> >>>And I'll give my kids a can of spray paint and a ladder. Maybe I'll offer >>>bonus prizes if they can figure out an inventive, undetectable way to disable >>>the fucker. >>... >>In Altus, it is illegal to sell spray paint to persons under the age of 18. >>That makes two violations of their rights that I know of. >>The curfue which was enacted a couple years ago being the first. >>All because the local politicians are fully aware that they are too young to >>vote. > >In my community, it is even illegal to buy spray paints and give them or >make them available to those under some age (18 or 21...I don't know). > >I like my solution a lot better: anyone can buy the fucking spray paint, >but taggers are shot down by those whose property they're trespassing on. > >Seems consistent with personal freedom and responsibility. I don't know if the law is still on the books, but when I was an undergrad at Univ of Penn in the 60's you could not buy a water pistol/squirtgun of any kind, because there had been some incidents where people were squirted in the face with ammonia bu a couple of miscreants, so the city council took it upon themselves to 'protect' us all! Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "The more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets!"

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NEWS: Re: Big Brother is watching
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:17 PM 9/3/97 -0700, Lucky Green wrote: ... >BTW, just for the record, I believe that we live in a consumer society and >the People choose the government they want. The average person doesn't care >who thinks for them as long as they don't have to think for themselves and >can pretend to themselves that it was in fact they who did the thinking. > >The People desire a master, not a revolution. ... Excerpt from the not so distant future. The FBI, NSA, and all local fire departments merged today in an unexpected congressional action. This merger was supported highly by the good populus of our great nation as it makes it easier for the authorities to keep tabs on those thinkers that keep stirring the people up. Various professors were unavailable for comment. Said one congressman. "We needed this merger and throwing in the fire departments seemed a good idea since everyone knows that all buildings are now fireproofed. We feel that the firemen's experience with containing the blazes will do well for creating controlled fires with which to destroy contraband. It is also noted that the water trucks that they use can readily be converted to carry kerosine. First on the list to be destroyed is every copy of the constitution, which has caused too much grief of late. Everyone has a 14 day leneniency in which to turn in their copies. Please remember that all media is included including, but not limited to, CD-ROM's with the terrible screed, pages in encyclopedias with the infamous words, and handwritten copies.

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan McCullagh wrote: > All encryption products sold or distributed in the U.S. > must have a key escrow backdoor "like an airbag in a car," > law enforcement agents advised a Senate panel this > afternoon. Encryption is an airbag for accidents of government. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html "I AM a number! I am a free man!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEUAwUBNA5bopaWtjSmRH/5AQE69gf42l0E6MUoySn3XNaDKEWoi89XMzloM1NU OpindGVwUg8/G79Z95O398fItTap9Cb1pdTaPpSV7ERNQgSvnXHB6qRyDDOgkQq/ bbpeOrrR8xEz57Jcr20l+hCeGKqgfs/Ghy5Z+0fc/6d0ZxMlMTQcn2z9MR/VsFE4 VS+FqZlaj6od38mXeEx0yhXGbdastEkOITB7LoPuMX27EQswHxVVwa/FEkAh+kSs GJ2W6ZSGJcTXG9/HTp+y1c7QX1c+3wWwfBvim/bfHdF8oasgu79U1/pLZJ226WZr 59DWGY9LZbvb5gqAKF4H9lSv35hGUD8ZhVkAQrbehrX2i+rEaBY7 =ZB1b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Administration backs away from FBI on crypto, by A.Pressman (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Administration backs away from FBI on crypto, by A.Pressman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:55:06 -0400 From: Aaron Pressman <aaron.pressman(a)reuters.com> To: declan(a)well.com Subject: crytpo etc Clinton administration back away from FBI on encryption By Aaron Pressman WASHINGTON, Sept 4 (Reuter) - The Clinton administration's top official on encryption policy on Thursday backed away from a proposal by the head of the FBI to regulate for the first time computer coding products in the United States. "What he proposed was not the administration's policy," Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch told reporters during a break at a congressional hearing. FBI Director Louis Freeh's comments Wednesday before a subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee sparked strong criticism from civil liberties groups and the software industry. U.S. law strictly regulates the export of encryption products, which can be used to scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key." But on Wednesday, Freeh proposed mandatory controls on currently unregulated coding products intended solely for domestic use. "The administration has been very clear to the director that he has an obligation to tell the Congress what's in the interests of law enforcement, and he did that," Reinsch explained. "That doesn't mean he was speaking for everybody." Freeh said makers of encryption products should include features that would allow the government to crack any message. Without such capabilities, criminals, terrorists and pedophiles could use encryption to hide their communications from law enforcement agencies, Freeh said. But software companies maintain that Freeh's plan would make their products less attractive and make all electronic messages less secure. Civil liberties groups said mandatory controls on domestic encryption might violate constitutional guarantees of free speech and privacy. Under the FBI director's proposal, all encryption products would have a feature allowing government access to coded messages, but users could disable or avoid using the feature. Some senators wanted to go further. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, proposed requiring all users of encryption to enable the back-door access feature. Freeh said such a law would be the best solution for law enforcement but added that he did not think it was politically viable. Reinsch said Freeh's proposal was also unlikely to pass. "If the committee were to report that (bill out), I think that would be something we would look at very seriously," he said. "But I don't expect that to happen. We have not asked them to report that and we are not going to ask them to report that." Thursday, 4 September 1997 16:13:38 RTRS [nN04290412] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd.

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